[quote]Legionary wrote:
What makes you the authority on this? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I be an authority? Atheism simply entails a non-belief/disbelief in a deity.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
What makes you the authority on this? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I be an authority? Atheism simply entails a non-belief/disbelief in a deity.
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More hubris. I’m sure you think you would have destroyed Christopher Hitchens Himself in a debate if you had the opportunity.
[quote]pat wrote:
That shit has been debunked way before you posted your propaganda.[/quote]
My “shit” hardly meets the definition of propaganda. Biased? sure, but they’re making an argument using the facts. And no, it has not been “debunked”. Why don’t you go ahead and do it?
[quote]Pat wrote:
I have already read that tripe before. I see little point in wasting more time and repeating myself and presenting the hundreds of links I all ready presented pointing out that this wishful thinking is just pure, unadulterated bullshit.
The issue is plain facts and you don’t have any. All you can do is post from the silly atheist websites. And if it’s non-belief, then why do you need propaganda in the first place. That alone shows that it isn’t a non-belief, but very much a belief. [/quote]
Blah blah blah blah; you’re dropping the ball again on atheism, Pat. It’s not a belief system, has no dogma, and requires no faith. Feel free to respond to my question though: “So what is it then that atheists believe in? What dogma? What belief system does an atheist hold?”
All you have to do is tell me, right?
LOL @ your “hundreds of links” comment.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
What makes you the authority on this? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I be an authority? Atheism simply entails a non-belief/disbelief in a deity.
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More hubris. I’m sure you think you would have destroyed Christopher Hitchens Himself in a debate if you had the opportunity. [/quote]
Does it take Cristopher Hitchens to explain Atheism now? Congrats, atheists found themselves a pope. Well, had.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
What makes you the authority on this? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I be an authority? Atheism simply entails a non-belief/disbelief in a deity.
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More hubris. I’m sure you think you would have destroyed Christopher Hitchens Himself in a debate if you had the opportunity. [/quote]
Does it take Cristopher Hitchens to explain Atheism now? Congrats, atheists found themselves a pope. Well, had.[/quote]
You are rather dense aren’t you?
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
What makes you the authority on this? [/quote]
Why wouldn’t I be an authority? Atheism simply entails a non-belief/disbelief in a deity.
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More hubris. I’m sure you think you would have destroyed Christopher Hitchens Himself in a debate if you had the opportunity. [/quote]
Does it take Cristopher Hitchens to explain Atheism now? Congrats, atheists found themselves a pope. Well, had.[/quote]
You are rather dense aren’t you?[/quote]
I’m not the one who can’t keep track of comments I made earlier, on the same thread page.
I see an argumentative tone with you two Legionary and Sloth, but I don’t see an argument. I find myself agreeing with both of ya’ll.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I see an argumentative tone with you two Legionary and Sloth, but I don’t see an argument. I find myself agreeing with both of ya’ll. [/quote]
There is no argument. Atheism is simply the non-belief/disbelief in a deity. Anything else is sectarian dogma, oddly enough.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I see an argumentative tone with you two Legionary and Sloth, but I don’t see an argument. I find myself agreeing with both of ya’ll. [/quote]
There is no argument. Atheism is simply the non-belief/disbelief in a deity. Anything else is sectarian dogma, oddly enough.[/quote]
Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk
I think there’s a conflation of secular humanism and atheism occurring
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
I see an argumentative tone with you two Legionary and Sloth, but I don’t see an argument. I find myself agreeing with both of ya’ll. [/quote]
There is no argument. Atheism is simply the non-belief/disbelief in a deity. Anything else is sectarian dogma, oddly enough.[/quote]
Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk[/quote]
But what isn’t is that you can authentically kill in the name of atheism.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Wait, if atheism can’t be responsible for atrocities carried out under it’s banner, how is Theism then skewered?[/quote]
What atrocities have been carried out under the “banner of atheism”?
[quote]Sloth wrote?
If the argument is that atheism holds no such idea that believers are sub-human, non-bright, sheeple, that must be actively oppressed for the betterment of some future human state of near utopian rational being, because atheism simply lacks a belief in god, carrying none of the above baggage then Theism is exonerated too. Theism simply means a belief in a deity. It doesn’t mean a belief in oppressing unbelievers in order to bring about a theocratic world. It simply means a belief in a deity. Specifically, with the West in mind, Christianity simply means a belief in and a following of Christ. Christ, objectively, did not instruct his apostles or disciples to convert by sword. In fact, an objective reading quickly reveals that following Christ necessitates a peaceful invitation to the unconverted, in order to follow Christ.
So, if atheism is innocent because ‘atheism’ simply mean a lack of belief in a deity, without any requirements to ‘unconvert’ the converted by the sword, then so too is Christianity clean as the wind driven snow.[/quote]
No, the beliefs you described above are just that; “beliefs”. It takes a positive belief system to put someone in motion and down that nasty road. Communism, religion, Marxism, etc.; all are belief systems running on dogma. Atheism, again, is a non-belief.
Theism then, can be explicitly fingered in many, many atrocities throughout history. Why? Because they were doing those things under the banner of their belief system. They had the faith that comes with religious dogma. Islamic Jihad, christian witch hunts, the inquisition, Aztec human sacrifice, medieval trials by ordeal, the crusades, etc., all done in the name of their dogmatic belief systems.
People who shoot abortion doctors, do so in the name of god and have quite a bit of faith that they were acting in accordance with their beliefs. They had the faith of their religion to give them the perceived moral authority to kill. This isn’t even discussing the atrocities listed and commanded in the bible, which I’m happy to discuss if you’d like.
So no, atheism is a non-belief with zero dogma, where theism is a positive dogmatic belief.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
No it’s not. Atheism is simply non-belief/disbelief in a deity. The above statement is dogma. What’s up, is the one true atheism excommunicating it’s heretics, or something?
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I don’t think underpinning is the same as dogma; free thought and skepticism are the antithesis of dogma IMHO. The ability to freely think for yourself and view wild claims without proof as skeptical; these are not the underpinnings of any dogma.
Sam Harris talking about Atheism and dogma.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Wait, if atheism can’t be responsible for atrocities carried out under it’s banner, how is Theism then skewered?[/quote]
What atrocities have been carried out under the “banner of atheism”?
[quote]Sloth wrote?
If the argument is that atheism holds no such idea that believers are sub-human, non-bright, sheeple, that must be actively oppressed for the betterment of some future human state of near utopian rational being, because atheism simply lacks a belief in god, carrying none of the above baggage then Theism is exonerated too. Theism simply means a belief in a deity. It doesn’t mean a belief in oppressing unbelievers in order to bring about a theocratic world. It simply means a belief in a deity. Specifically, with the West in mind, Christianity simply means a belief in and a following of Christ. Christ, objectively, did not instruct his apostles or disciples to convert by sword. In fact, an objective reading quickly reveals that following Christ necessitates a peaceful invitation to the unconverted, in order to follow Christ.
So, if atheism is innocent because ‘atheism’ simply mean a lack of belief in a deity, without any requirements to ‘unconvert’ the converted by the sword, then so too is Christianity clean as the wind driven snow.[/quote]
No, the beliefs you described above are just that; “beliefs”. It takes a positive belief system to put someone in motion and down that nasty road. Communism, religion, Marxism, etc.; all are belief systems running on dogma. Atheism, again, is a non-belief.
Theism then, can be explicitly fingered in many, many atrocities throughout history. Why? Because they were doing those things under the banner of their belief system. They had the faith that comes with religious dogma. Islamic Jihad, christian witch hunts, the inquisition, Aztec human sacrifice, medieval trials by ordeal, the crusades, etc., all done in the name of their dogmatic belief systems.
People who shoot abortion doctors, do so in the name of god and have quite a bit of faith that they were acting in accordance with their beliefs. They had the faith of their religion to give them the perceived moral authority to kill. This isn’t even discussing the atrocities listed and commanded in the bible, which I’m happy to discuss if you’d like.
So no, atheism is a non-belief with zero dogma, where theism is a positive dogmatic belief. [/quote]
From dictionary.com:
a·the·ismâ?? â??/Ë?eɪθiË?ɪzÉ?m/ Show Spelled[ey-thee-iz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
- the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
- disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
The foundation for your arguments that it is simply a non-beleif, is bunk. It is very much a belief. If it were simply a non-beief as you say, then there would be no atheist websites, no advertisements, no doctrines or dogmas of any kind. But there are, hell you posted links to them. How do you have such things based on a non-belief? It seems to me you don’t even understand your own beliefs. And there very much is a dogma. If there were no dogma whatsoever than an atheist could believe and God and still be an atheist. But there is a dogma, to be an atheist, you must deny the existence of God. If there is a stated doctrine that denies the existence of God, you can act on that doctrine. Atheism is a NOUN.
Atheists seem just as determined to convert people to their beliefs as Christians. Always seemed ironic to me.
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk[/quote]If Stalin believed what I believe he wouldn’t have killed anybody.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk[/quote]If Stalin believed what I believe he wouldn’t have killed anybody.
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Didn’t Stalin study to be a priest? Read that somewhere. That should have been a clue that he was probably deranged.
Darwin destroys the whole creationist argument btw…just gotta read ‘Origin’. I bet no one here has ever read it.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk[/quote]If Stalin believed what I believe he wouldn’t have killed anybody.
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Didn’t Stalin study to be a priest? Read that somewhere. That should have been a clue that he was probably deranged.
Darwin destroys the whole creationist argument btw…just gotta read ‘Origin’. I bet no one here has ever read it.
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Look! It’s HH with a stick!
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< Yep and that’s why blaming atheism for the actions of Stalin and co are bunk[/quote]If Stalin believed what I believe he wouldn’t have killed anybody.
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Same here