Best Thing Pres. Bush Has Done?

[quote]kowface28 wrote:
Bush’s Presidency as well as his administration can only be described as a “disaster” for America as a whole. Since Iraq has been the bulk of his term resume however, I must say that he has had the toughest presidency in recent years. So before to much bashing takes place over miniuscule actions by Bush (his speech which is undoubtedly irrelevant for example) we must have a tiny bit of compassion. However, I must say that Bush has done little to impress me or anyone for that matter, but has managed to leave a lasting impression on our nation. Some may not agree but in my opinion the only thing Bush has tought our nation is that WE MUST LIVE IN FEAR! which is the biggest crock of shit but nevertheless very true. He has mentioned on numerous occasions that we must always be fearful of terrorists, and that we can only expect it to get worse in years to come. HOW CAN A PERSON LIKE THAT BE CALLED A LEADER! So he is basically saying that we are all that is good and everyone else is evil and that he is the only one who can protect us. If he can stand in front of millions of Americans and say always live in fear, I just cannot see how anyone other than your common idiot would have anything good to say about Bush.[/quote]

Great post.

Short on substance, long on rhetoric.

Just the way we like our posters!!!

I’m going to remain unpopular.

Bush, of course, isn’t asking you to live in fear. He, of course, is asking that you stay vigilant and don’t forget 9/11 and the lessons that SHOULD have been learned. Finally, he’s not asking anyone to be passive and afraid. Attack, take the fight to the enemy.

For instance, here he is two months after the attacks.

[quote]A terrorism alert is not a signal to stop your life. It is a call to be vigilant – to know that your government is on high alert, and to add your eyes and ears to our efforts to find and stop those who want to do us harm.

A lot of people are working really hard to protect America. But in the long run, the best way to defend our homeland – the best way to make sure our children can live in peace – is to take the battle to the enemy and to stop them.[/quote]

For everyone else, next time you see one of these guys with Bush’s word via cnn, take a peek at whitehouse.gov.

You’ll see his actual speeches. They are far more illuminating than what the press reports.

They are one hell of a lot more erudite than the translation you get through people like kowface28.

JeffR

[quote]vroom wrote:
John S. wrote:

Oh come on JeffR. you cant ask people to possibly provide proof.

Yet, strangely, when hurling accusations again the left, proof is no longer such a desirable burden.

Proof will almost always be beyond our ken, but we can look at behavior and evidence.

Or is that only fair when talking about the left?[/quote]

Proof is always needed.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Proof is always needed.[/quote]

Except when I make statements.

Just trust me, I’m right.

Completely black and white aren’t you. Jeff.

So lets take it like it is and everyone in the country get up grab a gun and go to Iraq and kill everyone that is a threat to you. Hell why go to Iraq, anytime you have an argument with someone do not sit back on your computer and post. Get up, buy a gun, and find out where they live and take the fight to them.

C’mon, you keep telling everyone to get educated on Bush’s presidency and you really think you are the only dumbass who took political science in college. You probably took the class just before W’s reelection when all republicans were praising him. Now just a short 3 years later many of your passionate brothers are now lowering thier heads in shame for ever thinking Bush could lead.

You do not need to listen to the press to realize that America is faultering and becoming progressively worse and worse in many ways and all the while we are worried about a middle-eastern countries civil war, you explain to me the thought process of that decision.

Tell you what, you give me ONE truely good reason for the U.S. to be in Iraq. You tell me how this will better OUR country, the one you and I live in.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
John S. wrote:
Proof is always needed.

Except when I make statements.

Just trust me, I’m right.[/quote]

Actually I usually try to provide proof.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Actually I usually try to provide proof.[/quote]

My post was a joke, encouraging all posters to simply assume that I am always right.

[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
John S. wrote:
Actually I usually try to provide proof.

My post was a joke, encouraging all posters to simply assume that I am always right.[/quote]

Please forgive me, I thought you where saying I didn’t provide proof.

[quote]kowface28 wrote:
Completely black and white aren’t you. Jeff.[/quote]

No.

In all modesty, I can see most shades of an issue.

However, when you make a blatantly false accusation, you are going to be corrected.

That is unless you make no attempt to reform bad behavior. In that case, I’ll allow you to spin your wheels until you are dizzy.

just the facts, jlesk come to mind.

What are you blathering about now?

Bush was very clear. If you are a terrorist or sympathizer, you are in the crosshairs.

You, again, are not able to decipher plain English through your dem lens.

I have no idea who took what. However, there are times when I wonder if my opponents can read.

Rubbish. Most of us are sad that at his limitations. He’s correct in the big concepts. However, he doesn’t have the ability to deal with the creeping crud—YOU.

He needs to routinely scrub you guys, or you manage to eat away at the agenda.

Sure. We don’t live on an island. We are connected. We have allies and trade. We have enemies that can fly.

Sure, al zarqawi is still dead.

JeffR

I believe that I speak for a large percentage of Americans when I say that President Bush’s Losses FAR outway his gains.

Yes, and i guess he does not have the time for people like me huh?
I AM A TAXPAYING AMERICAN AND HE IS MY PRESIDENT, why would he not listen to me?
This is why he has become such an unpopular leader, the only people he truly listens to are his rep. advisors. Anytime his power is questioned he will completely shift the conversation into a topic he can control.

Lastly, not a day goes by that you do not hear of a dozen or more U.S. soldiers dying in some random bombing or crash. Mind you, these fatalities are not a product of a particular battle but rather random acts of civilians or an anti-group. Now I can understand losses in order to win a war but not like this. You may come back with a political reason for these deaths but a truly sane person can understand most of America’s concern.

Finally, you speak of trade of resources and goods, the only thing that comes out of Iraq other than sand is Oil. And if I am mistaken most of the oil reserves in Iraq are owned by different countries other than Iraq and the U.S. You truly believe that if we pulled out that they would cut off Oil trade to the U.S.? Please when you only have one source of income, you can not afford to lose your biggest customer.

[quote]John S. wrote:
vroom wrote:
John S. wrote:

Oh come on JeffR. you cant ask people to possibly provide proof.

Yet, strangely, when hurling accusations again the left, proof is no longer such a desirable burden.

Proof will almost always be beyond our ken, but we can look at behavior and evidence.

Or is that only fair when talking about the left?

Proof is always needed.[/quote]

It wasn’t needed apparantly when Bush made his case. Remember the “mush room cloud”?

Where are the wmd? The fact that they were never found is proof enough. They assured us the wmd’s were there. They assured us the UN were fools for not being able to find them.
They lied.

I remember when “proof” was an artists impression of a mobile chemical lab to produce wmd. I remember when “proof” was, “a canister just like the one I’m holding in my hand right now”.

His best moment was when he nearly choked on a pretzel.

Ok, he wasn’t able to pull that one off either, but I give him credit for effort though.

[quote]JeffR wrote:
kowface28 wrote:
Tell you what, you give me ONE truely good reason for the U.S. to be in Iraq. You tell me how this will better OUR country, the one you and I live in.

Sure, al zarqawi is still dead.

JeffR [/quote]

So you think that’s worth the thousands who lost their lives, the millions displaced, the hundreds blown out each week, and the terror under which Iraqis live everyday?

Can you not see that there are a LOT more people who want to hurt you today than four years ago? Can you not see that you transformed Iraq into a haven for terrorists?

[quote]JeffR wrote:
kowface28 wrote:
Tell you what, you give me ONE truely good reason for the U.S. to be in Iraq. You tell me how this will better OUR country, the one you and I live in.

Sure, al zarqawi is still dead.

JeffR

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You didn’t know Al Zarqawi before the invasion, and he would have been a nobody if you hadn’t invaded.

[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
kowface28 wrote:
Tell you what, you give me ONE truely good reason for the U.S. to be in Iraq. You tell me how this will better OUR country, the one you and I live in.

Sure, al zarqawi is still dead.

JeffR

So you think that’s worth the thousands who lost their lives, the millions displaced, the hundreds blown out each week, and the terror under which Iraqis live everyday?

Can you not see that there are a LOT more people who want to hurt you today than four years ago? Can you not see that you transformed Iraq into a haven for terrorists?[/quote]

Really, Because I see us transforming Iraq into a Democracy. A haven for terrorists? hardly.

[quote]Wreckless wrote:

You didn’t know Al Zarqawi before the invasion, and he would have been a nobody if you hadn’t invaded.[/quote]

Apparently you have no idea who Al Zarqawi was. The man wasn’t a nobody. In fact, he was one of the most dangerous of the Jihadists. They’ve continued to send their best and brightest to lead the terrorists in Iraq. But, they keep dieing too.

[quote]reckless wrote:

You didn’t know Al Zarqawi before the invasion, and he would have been a nobody if you hadn’t invaded.[/quote]

Ok, muffin man, I’m feeling particularly nasty tonight.

I’m going to hit you quite hard.

Here is Colin Powell addressing the united nations on February 5th, 2003.

From Briefing Room | The White House

[quote]But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, an associated in collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaida lieutenants.

Zarqawi, a Palestinian born in Jordan, fought in the Afghan war more than a decade ago. Returning to Afghanistan in 2000, he oversaw a terrorist training camp. One of his specialities and one of the specialties of this camp is poisons. When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqaqi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq.
Slide 39

POWELL: You see a picture of this camp.

The network is teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other poisons. Let me remind you how ricin works. Less than a pinch–image a pinch of salt–less than a pinch of ricin, eating just this amount in your food, would cause shock followed by circulatory failure. Death comes within 72 hours and there is no antidote, there is no cure. It is fatal.
Slide 40

Those helping to run this camp are Zarqawi lieutenants operating in northern Kurdish areas outside Saddam Hussein’s controlled Iraq. But Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization, Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000 this agent offered Al Qaida safe haven in the region. After we swept Al Qaida from Afghanistan, some of its members accepted this safe haven. They remain their today.

Zarqawi’s activities are not confined to this small corner of north east Iraq. He traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for medical treatment, staying in the capital of Iraq for two months while he recuperated to fight another day.

During this stay, nearly two dozen extremists converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there. These Al Qaida affiliates, based in Baghdad, now coordinate the movement of people, money and supplies into and throughout Iraq for his network, and they’ve now been operating freely in the capital for more than eight months.

Iraqi officials deny accusations of ties with Al Qaida. These denials are simply not credible. Last year an Al Qaida associate bragged that the situation in Iraq was, quote, ``good,‘’ that Baghdad could be transited quickly.

We know these affiliates are connected to Zarqawi because they remain even today in regular contact with his direct subordinates, including the poison cell plotters, and they are involved in moving more than money and materiale.

Last year, two suspected Al Qaida operatives were arrested crossing from Iraq into Saudi Arabia. They were linked to associates of the Baghdad cell, and one of them received training in Afghanistan on how to use cyanide. From his terrorist network in Iraq, Zarqawi can direct his network in the Middle East and beyond.

We, in the United States, all of us at the State Department, and the Agency for International Development–we all lost a dear friend with the cold-blooded murder of Mr. Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan last October, a despicable act was committed that day. The assassination of an individual whose sole mission was to assist the people of Jordan. The captured assassin says his cell received money and weapons from Zarqawi for that murder.

POWELL: After the attack, an associate of the assassin left Jordan to go to Iraq to obtain weapons and explosives for further operations. Iraqi officials protest that they are not aware of the whereabouts of Zarqawi or of any of his associates. Again, these protests are not credible. We know of Zarqawi’s activities in Baghdad. I described them earlier.

And now let me add one other fact. We asked a friendly security service to approach Baghdad about extraditing Zarqawi and providing information about him and his close associates. This service contacted Iraqi officials twice, and we passed details that should have made it easy to find Zarqawi. The network remains in Baghdad. Zarqawi still remains at large to come and go.

As my colleagues around this table and as the citizens they represent in Europe know, Zarqawi’s terrorism is not confined to the Middle East. Zarqawi and his network have plotted terrorist actions against countries, including France, Britain, Spain, Italy, Germany and Russia.
Slide 41

According to detainee Abuwatia (ph), who graduated from Zarqawi’s terrorist camp in Afghanistan, tasks at least nine North African extremists from 2001 to travel to Europe to conduct poison and explosive attacks.

Since last year, members of this network have been apprehended in France, Britain, Spain and Italy. By our last count, 116 operatives connected to this global web have been arrested.
Slide 42

The chart you are seeing shows the network in Europe. We know about this European network, and we know about its links to Zarqawi, because the detainee who provided the information about the targets also provided the names of members of the network.

Three of those he identified by name were arrested in France last December. In the apartments of the terrorists, authorities found circuits for explosive devices and a list of ingredients to make toxins.

The detainee who helped piece this together says the plot also targeted Britain. Later evidence, again, proved him right. When the British unearthed a cell there just last month, one British police officer was murdered during the disruption of the cell.
Slide 43

We also know that Zarqawi’s colleagues have been active in the Pankisi Gorge, Georgia and in Chechnya, Russia. The plotting to which they are linked is not mere chatter. Members of Zarqawi’s network say their goal was to kill Russians with toxins.

We are not surprised that Iraq is harboring Zarqawi and his subordinates. This understanding builds on decades long experience with respect to ties between Iraq and Al Qaida.

POWELL: Going back to the early and mid-1990s, when bin Laden was based in Sudan, an Al Qaida source tells us that Saddam and bin Laden reached an understanding that Al Qaida would no longer support activities against Baghdad. Early Al Qaida ties were forged by secret, high-level intelligence service contacts with Al Qaida, secret Iraqi intelligence high-level contacts with Al Qaida.[/quote]

I know I shouldn’t whip you this hard. However, you are such an easy target.

Oh, the Iraq invasion began in March 2003.

As you can see, probably 1/4 of Powell’s entire speech is centered on zarqawi.

He was a major bad guy. Powell rested much of his evidence against Iraq on this one man and his al qaeda network.

muffin man, please work harder.

JeffR

[quote]lixy wrote:
JeffR wrote:
kowface28 wrote:
Tell you what, you give me ONE truely good reason for the U.S. to be in Iraq. You tell me how this will better OUR country, the one you and I live in.

Sure, al zarqawi is still dead.

JeffR

So you think that’s worth the thousands who lost their lives, the millions displaced, the hundreds blown out each week, and the terror under which Iraqis live everyday?

Can you not see that there are a LOT more people who want to hurt you today than four years ago? Can you not see that you transformed Iraq into a haven for terrorists?[/quote]

lixy,

As usual, I think you are wrong about nearly everything. I am fully aware of your goals.

However, I was asked by an underwhelming poster to present a positive that we can all agree on.

I did it.

Unfortunately, said poster cannot bring himself/herself to acknowledge or cede the point.

I’m used to my opponents being ill equipped and petty.

JeffR

[quote]reckless wrote:
His best moment was when he nearly choked on a pretzel.

Ok, he wasn’t able to pull that one off either, but I give him credit for effort though.[/quote]

One of his finer moments was in November of 2004. The day he won reelection, the muffin man’s gelatinous mass quivered in fury.

JeffR

[quote]John S. wrote:
Because I see us transforming Iraq into a Democracy. A haven for terrorists? hardly.[/quote]

That’s right. Its a 'Democracy" [u]OR ELSE![/u]

Plus. How do you figure its a real democracy now? The US helped Saddam to get to power as a dictator.

[quote]unbending wrote:
John S. wrote:
Because I see us transforming Iraq into a Democracy. A haven for terrorists? hardly.

That’s right. Its a 'Democracy" [u]OR ELSE![/u]

Plus. How do you figure its a real democracy now? The US helped Saddam to get to power as a dictator.

[/quote]

Ahh, this one is too easy, your out of your league here so ill keep it simple.

70% voter turnout. That speaks more then any words ever will.