Best Book You Have Read?

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:

[quote]forkknifespoon wrote:

[quote]bigmac73nh wrote:
“Women” is a close third for me.[/quote]
Any love for Post Office? I read a few of his in high school, really liked them, but was slightly annoyed by how much overlap existed between books. Then I found Run With The Hunted. It’s a sort of ‘best of’ that does a pretty fine job of sewing together all his stories. [/quote]

I’ve yet to pick up Run With The Hunted. I’ve read Post Office, Women, and Ham on Rye and am actually reading Factotum now. I certainly enjoyed Post Office, but I just liked Women and Ham on Rye much better.

I actually like the overlap between his stories. I really like how he writes, it just comes off as raw and natural- no contrived bullshit there.[/quote]

Buk is one of my favorites for the very same reason.

I have read Women, Ham on Rye, Post Office, and Factotum. Getting into some of his poetry now…

Post office was my favorite.

Best book I have read? Far too many. I really like the Dharma Bums by kerouac, anything by vonnegut and of course bukowski

Miller-Tropic of Capricorn, C and Punishment - dostoyevsky, song of solomon- morrison, heart of darkness - conrad…the stranger- camus, Brave New World- Huxley

Too many good books not enough time.

The books that “shifted my consciousness” the most are

Steven Pinker- How the Mind Works/The blank slate.
Richard Dawkins - God Delusion
Brian Greene - The elegant universe.

for fiction I only really read Murakami. Just got his new book, 1Q84

[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m only on page 209 at this moment but I’m very much enjoying American Gods.[/quote]

It really doesn’t deliver like you think it will, like all of Gaiman’s work.

I’m kind of pissed at Gaiman because he has some cool ideas, and his books always start seeming really promising, but then he just ends up sort of toeing the line of writing a really good story, without actually crossing it and actually writing a good story. He tends to blend equal parts interesting and trite, cliche inanity.

For example, don’t call the protagonist ‘Shadow’, for chrissakes. Especially not if he’s the strong, silent, renegade type. It’s childish.

Seriously, whenever I pick up a new Gaiman book I’m all ‘Yes! This is exactly the kind of book I want to read!’ Followed by a slow descent into ‘Fuck you Gaiman you bait and switch motherfucker! This is shit just like all the other shit!’ For some reason I finish the book anyway.

The Road is a good read, once you get past what looks like lazy writing, but really does add to the atmosphere of the book. Still one of my favorite dialogue exchanges ever:

Are you carrying the fire?

You’re kind of weirded out, aren’t you.

But are you?

Am I what?

Carrying the fire!?

Yeah, I’m carrying the fire. (You can just see the guy going WTF? Priceless.)

[quote]Vicomte wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
I’m only on page 209 at this moment but I’m very much enjoying American Gods.[/quote]

It really doesn’t deliver like you think it will, like all of Gaiman’s work.

I’m kind of pissed at Gaiman because he has some cool ideas, and his books always start seeming really promising, but then he just ends up sort of toeing the line of writing a really good story, without actually crossing it and actually writing a good story. He tends to blend equal parts interesting and trite, cliche inanity.

For example, don’t call the protagonist ‘Shadow’, for chrissakes. Especially not if he’s the strong, silent, renegade type. It’s childish.

Seriously, whenever I pick up a new Gaiman book I’m all ‘Yes! This is exactly the kind of book I want to read!’ Followed by a slow descent into ‘Fuck you Gaiman you bait and switch motherfucker! This is shit just like all the other shit!’ For some reason I finish the book anyway.

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So if he has a high concept but doesn’t run with it it sounds like Lost or maybe Stephen King’s Dark Tower series. I liked the Dark Tower series but it left me feeling like it could have done a little more.

[quote]Edgy wrote:
the Belgariad series.

great read for a time when I was into fantasy.

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I liked the Belgariad and the Mallorean. I would easily read these books again today.

I just finished “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline. It was fantastic. Any video game geek approaching 40 (or in their 40’s like myself) has to read this book.

sylvia writes of spending three days with another guy while her boyfriend is being treated for tuberculosis
when she goes to see him, she is disgusted thinking he is filthy with germs (he’s cured by this point) and she doesn’t want to kiss him because he is the same height as her and it will never work between them because she is humiliated by being out of breath trying to keep up to him on a bicycle

next entry (January 12) is about being aroused by digging around in her nose and smearing it on furniture

she couldn’t figure out why?

also did not understand why she felt so bad all during the school year
where she wrote of how she smiled insincerely for the science teacher
while, inwardly, she seethed with hatred for making her work so hard

she must have all A’s and science wasn’t like her humanities classes: she had to work to get the A and she held it against him and his maleness

but, she tricked them all and no one noticed she wasn’t the good girl she was playing them for
and she continued to be praised and rewarded and awarded for her writing
which was being published in real magazines
while she seethed with resentment at unnamed people whose talent made her rage with jealousy

and she can’t understand why she feels so dead inside

exactly ten years later, her only novel, written about this time in her life, will be published and heralded

on Febuary 11 she will commit suicide with two small children in the next room

Sylvia Plath was one stupid fucked up idiot.

The original emo.

Just finished WWZ, it was a great read. I’m now halfway through “the God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins and I’m really enjoying it.
The next book I have lined up is “WarHorse” by Michael Morpurgo. My litle brother and mum read it and raved about it, so I thought I’d try and read it before I take my litle brother to see the film.

[quote]Nards wrote:
Sylvia Plath was one stupid fucked up idiot.

The original emo.[/quote]

She sounds like a crazy bitch.

The best book I have ever read without a doubt, and I read constantly , was James Clavells Shogun. I read his other books Tai-Pan and King Rat and they sucked my soul and will to libe out through my eyes. I have read the reacher books after reading a reccomendation on here and burned my way though a lot of fun literature including some nameless vampire anthologies and the complete works of Terry Pratchett.

I dont want to read real life. I want escapism. I want to be dragged into the book and see the picture being painted before me. I have also just started reading and enjoying Shantaram after another recommendation.

I’m reading a pretty good book right now called “Flawed Patriot: The Rise and Fall of CIA Legend Bill Harvey”. Pretty good stuff. This guy literally was a legend in the CIA in the 1950’s and early 60’s and he was quite a character. He was a heavy, heavy drinker, yet no one ever say him drunk until his disgraced banishment to Rome after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

He always carried at least two pistols on him, a shoulder holster under each arm, and usually one in his belt and another in an ankle strap. He would use this huge hunting knife to pare his fingernails in the middle of CIA staff meetings and to “subtly” make a point about something or as a way to unnerve people who he didn’t trust and was meeting with, he would pull one of his guns out, lay it on the table, slowly remove all the bullets, examine each one and then reload the gun again, all with total nonchalance.

He was also the guy who basically introduced the Mafia, specifically Johnny Roselli, to the CIA and he’s one of the main suspects that conspiracy theorists point to regarding JFK’s assassination. Quite a character.

I also just finished reading a biography of Harvey’s peer and one-time boss, Richard Helms. The book is called “The Man Who Kept Secrets” and it’s also very interesting, although Helms’ penchant for maintaining plausible deniability regarding psychological warfare and paramilitary activity makes him a bit less interesting character. But he’s the one who was convicted of lying under oath during the Church Committee hearings in 1975 in an attempt to bury the CIA’s infamous “family jewels”, of which I happen to have a pdf file copy of, all 700+ pages that were introduced into evidence and that the CIA desperately wanted kept out of the public’s hands, and for good reason.

her sorrows all seem self-inflicted
no one is giving her a hard time about anything
every door is opened for her
she is published, she has a scholarship, no hardships

some vague ‘other girl’ who showed her some writing
and now she is in crisis over some shameful “been doing something that goes against everything i stand for”
considering what she is willing to admit to, this seems it can mean only one thing:
Plagiarism
nothing else is too shocking for her to write explicitly about
but plagiarism is the unpardonable academic sin
it fills the space she’s been dancing all around

this is the kind of stuff that afflicts her:
she exaggerated an illness to dump her summer job for the chance to road trip with 3 boys
every time a new boy walks into her life, her head goes around on a swivel
she starts daydreaming plans with him filling an imaginary role
every man she knows eventually becomes a chore because he is a real person with emotional needs and isn’t just there to fill the frame in her bedside photo

she has ideal man in mind
he must be a ‘demi-god’ standing head and shoulders above all other men in intellect
and capable of appreciating the most idealistic poetry and literature
but he must not write himself because that annoys her when boys show her their writing
he must be better than all other men but not be better than her at anything
(this seems awkward to manage; she is not even the best writer she knows)
rage about anyone being better or acting like they are ahead of her in any way is a recurrent theme

she is envious of boyfriend’s time in hospital bed with all the leisure for reading and thinking he desires
but she just had the same opportunity (faked) but seems to be unaware
now she is jealous of her roommate having so much money from her summer job

she has a back-up plan in reserve to keep a group of men dangling in the breeze and vanish to England for a year and see if she can snag some spectacular man not heard of in their circles

she is grappling with the fact that she is incapable of loving anyone, never feels anything for anyone, fantasizes about murdering her mother

but never doubts for an instant that she deserves nothing but the very finest specimen of manhood available on the planet

if it doesn’t work, she will pop back in and see what these rubes are up to

she finds this guy later: Ted Hughes - Wikipedia

problem: she has remarked upon the rage it inspires in her if a man expects her to be an audience for his work. she is very sensitive to this as a smothering of her genius, to be made an accessory to his career, a form of chauvinism.

she does not seem to be aware of the reverse being true

so she fills a couple of paragraphs with self-righteous platitudes about the value of human life in the context of the Rosenberg’s trial and executions being in the news daily
she’s very self-congratulatory about her rare capacity to recognise (unlike the peasants she is surrounded by) this deep respect for human life that only poets of her sort can appreciate

this sort of ersatz ‘emo’ must be grueling
what sustains me through griefs is sure knowledge of its undeservedness
how crushing it must be when you realise you got what you deserved when your husband cheats on you
because all you have ever done is use and deceive every man you ever knew
in retrospect, she must have seen that she was always lying to someone
there was always at least one guy who thought he was her boyfriend
while she continued shopping for better
ready to retreat back to the security of the former if the new failed to pan out
so she was betraying both
never true in any degree to either
what right did she have to expect other than the same fate for herself?
tragic knowledge ‘brings no profit to the wise’

when that third eye opens and you see yourself
alone, and yet, not-alone

her story ends with all the ‘things’ she desired in her grasp
successful in every particular she valued
and utterly empty

Personally, I think KrohDaddi shares a bit too much in common with sylvia…

These aren’t the “best” I’ve read, but there are so many good ones to pick from and remember. Off the top of my head- I’m a big fan of Dave Eggers and all that he has done for the world of literature. If you haven’t you should read A Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius. An incredibly well written mostly memoir of Mr. Eggers.

Also his lesser known book of short stories, How We Are Hungry, is a great example of something more writers should be doing. He’s a real big short stories guy, very interested in trying to gain new perspective on what a short story can and could become. If you like Eggers at all then make sure you also check out all of the various McSweeney publications, and The Best American Nonrequired Reading yearly publications.

As far as best short stories I’ve ever read, and seriously everyone should try to get a copy of this-Jesus’ Son- is probably right at the top. Really outstanding and quick little read. They even made it into a movie. Jack black played one of the minor characters, but somehow didn’t ruin the entire thing. That’s one thing he can be proud of.

i really like her poetry but i though a lot of it seemed like witchcraft

i’ve just read through pages of just the highlights from letters (must have been long) that go on for pages
she’s sending them back to some guy named Sassoon while she’s in England

page after page of stuff like this:

"see, see! how the mind and mated flesh can make man the envy of god, who masturbates in the infinite void his ego has made about him. but do not ask for these tomorrow. he is a jealous god and he has had them liquidated.
i have talked to various little dark men who keep giving me, at my request, booklets colored yellow and titled: sunshine holidays …

do you realise that the name sassoon is the most beautiful name in the world. it has lots of seas of grass en masse and persian moon alone in rococo lagoon of woodwind tune where passes the ebony monsoon …

i am proud again, and i will have the varying wealths of the world in my hands before i come to see you again … i will have them, and they are being offered to me even now, on turkish tables and by dark alladins. I simply say, turning on my other flank, I do not want these jingling toys. I only want the moon that sounds in a name and the son of man that bears that name.

in the beginning was the word and the word was sassoon and it was a terrible word for it created eden and the golden age …"

and all kind sof stuff about turning the world upside to fight to be with this guy

he must have thought she was really crazy for him

then she meets this Ted Hughes guy (four months later they get married)
she just goes from writing about this sassoon guy to the new guy without a ripple
and she still hasn’t worked out this little problem she keeps talking about where she is insanely jealous of other people’s accomplishments (especially writing) and here she is sniffing around a guy who is going to be ranked as one of the best british writers of modern times.

Aldous Huxley - Brave New World

^read it when i was about 10-12

this next patch of Sylvia’s gets really tricky
she writes a couple different angles of putting this all on the Sassoon guy
sounds like he has stopped writing back to her
he’s in paris and not that far from her
he must have heard what happened that night she met Hughes
(she threw herself at him, floppy drunk
then bit him on the face before leaving to do something unsavoury with five guys at the same time)

after writing a poem for Hughes about Lust, she writes Sassoon to tell him that all her writing is dedicated to him
he owns her soul, etc.

is really tricky because she is trying to get him to forgive her without admitting anything or apologising
some of this she never sent
is just strategy she plotted out
she asks him to ‘grow’

pages of rhapsodisng about him as the only man in the universe good enough for her

she appears to send letter telling him she can never live with any man if he doesn’t accept her
three months later she will be married to Hughes