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[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

So what of your post? Are you backing away from it?

Do you understand the meaning of sarcasm? It is not my fault that you are too uneducated about these things to not have gotten it since everyone else did. I don’t have to back away from anything I did not proclaim to be fact.

Don’t start this game with me again, zep. You will lose and look stupid as usual. I already let you off by not pursuing the previous exchanges which you ran away from.

Carry on with this and I will not just be retorting in jest anymore.

[Basement_Gainz]

I’m going to be nice.

@dt79 pointed out that Manning was on steroids, GH and other PEDs on top of the supposed stem cell treatments. Which is known.

My attempt at humor was attempting to attribute the side effects of AAS to “stem cells”. The joke being that likely most of his accelerated recovery was due to PEDs.

I was not attributing acne, gynecomastia, prostate enlargement etc… to stem cells. It was a joke. There’s a reason I don’t tell those for a living. Sorry it was over your head.

[dt79]

He either has a pituitary defect or the dude has been using A LOT of GH.

[dt79]

Wait, maybe stem cells made Dave Palumbo develop Palumboism!

[Zeppelin795]

@Basement_Gainz

The joke being that likely most of his accelerated recovery was due to PEDs.

Then I can assume that every other football player who is on steroids would get the same accelerated recovery?

[Zeppelin795]

And I’m asking you if it means that it was certainly done on hamsters. The phrase, not the study.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

This is part of what you implied.

Everyone that receives a benefit from stem cells are not on keto. THE POINT, was that there are a ton of potential factors as to why the stem cell treatment worked. It could be a combination of diet, drugs, stem cells, radiation, etc… It could be placebo.

CONTROLLED STUDIES are required to determine if the treatment itself is effective.

This is typical of you, though. You see one factor and act as if it exists in a vacuum. That is not how life works.

@Zeppelin795

YOU think hamster model is only tested on hamsters.

You still won’t admit you were wrong? Jesus, dude.

@Zeppelin795

Again, more suffering. Bravo, for defending the policies of the very industry you claim to be indifferent about.

You’re an idiot.

@Zeppelin795

However you defend them any chance you get, helping to contribute to the public’s suffering. You must be so proud.

Sure, I’m proud of using my brain. Try it some time.

@Zeppelin795

The vast majority do.

Based on testimonials from the company that sells the treatment. Derp.

@Zeppelin795

They have worked with several American University’s. And they have conducted there own clinical trials. I am unsure if the results are yet published.

Shocking

@Zeppelin795

I was actually chosen for the clinical trial but was kept from participating by a dipshit American doctor who didn’t believe in it but had faith in the garbage drugs from pharma. He ought to have his medical license taken away.

Yes, a DOCTOR with YEARS OF MEDICAL TRAINING should lose their license because one of his patients disagrees with his assessment.

@Zeppelin795

Yes it is. You have several times noted that the Stem Cell Institute makes a profit and have related that if they have done it, it must be okay for pharma. How stupid.

Again, dumb. Disingenuous and dumb. Keep fighting this boogeyman if it makes you feel better, though.

@Zeppelin795

Just goes to show that you don’t even understand the fundamentals.

You STILL think the studies you posted were done on people when it was very clearly shown they were conducted on hamsters.

@Zeppelin795

Happens all the time. And you are obviously embarrassed by it. However, it is what your ideology demands if you are to make it viable. Deny the truth.

The only thing I’m mildly embarrassed about is continuing to argue with a fucking moron.

@Zeppelin795

Yes, I’m sure most people on here say the same thing. They volunteer and donate to charities. But somehow the problems still exist. Something isn’t working. You claim to help others while simultaneously bellowing stupid arguments that help them to suffer. Being against Medicare-For-All , which is supported by the majority of the public and also approving of the monopolistic behavior of the pharma industry.

One of the dumbest things you’ve ever written. Bravo.

@Zeppelin795

Yep that is the reason. Gawd, you’re stupid.

It was a joke, simpleton.

@Zeppelin795

Peyton Manning’s reported stem cell therapy has not been proven to work.*

It’s just that he has one of his best seasons ever, after the “unproven” treatment.

Steroids.

@Zeppelin795

We don’t really know what exactly what it does, biologically.”

In other words, people may be getting positive benefits but since we are not exactly sure, keep this as a non-option.

No, since we don’t know exactly what it does biologically, we should figure that shit out before selling it as a viable treatment option, dipshit.

@Zeppelin795

Getting in the way of positive benefits?

Getting in the way of proof that they work.

@Zeppelin795

Equate all profit as the same.

Just stop with this, Jesus.

@Zeppelin795

So a multi-million dollar industry that produces positive results for the vast majority of those who’ve tried the therapy is the same as the multi-billion dollar pharma industry that produces mediocre results, at best.

Prove the stem cell industry provides more positive results than the multi-billion dollar pharma industry. Can’t wait for this.

@Zeppelin795

Then I can assume that every other football player who is on steroids would get the same accelerated recovery?

Jesus fucking Christ…

@Zeppelin795

And I’m asking you if it means that it was certainly done on hamsters. The phrase, not the study.

WHUT??

[Chris_Colucci]

@Zeppelin795

And I’m asking you if it means that it was certainly done on hamsters. The phrase, not the study.

Not to speak for Drew, but… correct. ActivitiesGuy, dt79, and myself have explained that. Multiple times. Very plainly.

Zep, it’s to the point that I’m going to have to interpret your posts regarding this point as deliberate trolling, which means they’re unnecessary and don’t need to be posted.

[Zeppelin795]

And it was corrected. Something you fail to mention. As the wrong studies were posted.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

And it was corrected. Something you fail to mention. As the wrong studies were posted.

NONE OF THE STUDIES YOU POSTED WERE DONE ON HUMAN BEINGS USING A HAMSTER MODEL

[Chris_Colucci]

@Zeppelin795

As the wrong studies were posted.

What are you talking about?

Every post that ever referred to a hamster study model referred to animals, not people.

[dt79]

He’s just dodging and going around in circles hoping an audience will be distracted enough to think he isn’t stupid enough to mistake a hamster study for a human one.

We went through it in this very thread.

@dt79

@Zeppelin795

No it doesn’t moron. I posted the wrong study. What do you have to say about that?

An obvious lie from a very stupid person. If there was no mention of “hamster heart model” in the “right” study, why did you assume it was and argue about the definition?

One more time. Quit covering up one lie with another or I will post your previous posts that show you are lying.

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

Then you’re not looking in the right places. Has the Stem Cell Institute ever used radiation therapy?

It doesn’t look like they treat cancer or any other disease where radiation is the primary treatment in the US.

Apologies, I forgot I have to use crayons with you.

[anon50325502]

Just thought I’d drop this here, again:

@anon50325502

@Zeppelin795

It clearly states in the abstract that the study was based on a hamster model. Not that the study was done on hamsters.

Where does it state it was done on humans?

Hmmm, don’t see it. Let’s look at the ACTUAL RESEARCH PAPER

[Basement_Gainz]

@Zeppelin795

Then I can assume that every other football player who is on steroids would get the same accelerated recovery?

Considering people have reconstructed full ACL/MCL tears and are playing the most violent sport that isn’t hockey again in 6 months… yes.

[Basement_Gainz]

Using this standard, Redwall is clearly a book about people.

[dt79]

I found my crayons.

Definition of animal model

“an animal sufficiently like humans in its anatomy, physiology, or response to a pathogen to be used in medical research in order to obtain results that can be extrapolated to human medicine”

Definition of ANIMAL MODEL

“Taking advantage of the trophic effects of bone marrow mesenchymal stem cells (MSCs) and using a hamster heart failure model , the present study demonstrates a novel noninvasive therapeutic regimen via the direct delivery of MSCs into the skeletal muscle bed. //”

[dt79]

@Basement_Gainz

Considering people have reconstructed full ACL/MCL tears and are playing the most violent sport that isn’t hockey again in 6 months… yes.

Branch Warren recovered from a QUAD TEAR in 6 months and took part in the Arnold Classic without any visible atrophy of the injured quad .

[ActivitiesGuy]

@Zeppelin795

Monopoly profits

Everyone drink.

[atlas13]

Hey, don’t start knocking Redwall now. I freaking loved those as a kid.

Also, I am truly amazed at how many topics in PWI end up talking about Stem Cell Treatment. Arguably the most common recurring theme in this forum even over the President, International Relations, Domestic affairs, liberalism, conservatism…ya know, politics and world affairs type stuff…

Potentially even more amazing is that I have yet to actually learn anything productive about Stem Cell Treatment after all that discussion. What a ride.