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I stayed up almost all night and went to some store this morning at 5:00 Am, so I am dam tired.

I will agree with you, there are no published papers. That does not mean there is not sufficient questions remaining for further investigation. If the government was involved to some degree, and the government is investigating the crime, it is easy to see why there are no published papers. Anyone that would publish something would be outted by their community because of the atrocious accusation.

Whay was ground zero not handled as a crime scene and investigated?

There are just too many questions and not enough accountability for me to swallow.

Not a single person has been held accountable for negligence on 9/11.

It is a fact that the most protected building in the country, the Pentagon, was hit with a plane 45 minutes after the secnd plane hit the WTC, and the plane that hit it was known to be off course, and Dick Cheney watched it fly into the Pentagon for like 30 minutes in his emergency bunker(cant recall the exact time).

It is ridiculous to assume this was some sort of oversight, yet no one is held accountable.

I can go on and on with questions that cannot be answered with logic or reason.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Firefighters were apparently part of the WTC 7 conspiracy…
Read what they had to say about it’s probable collapse, fire, and damage done to it.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html
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I am sure you heard the firefighters radio where they said they can put the fire out and it was not that bad.

You have looked into this, so what do you think about the firemen that said the building exploded? I believe they said: “it was like boom boom boom boom, like it was being blown up.”

What do you think of them being hit with a gag order?

What about eye witness reports of smelling cordite?

Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?

Painful questions.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Firefighters were apparently part of the WTC 7 conspiracy…
Read what they had to say about it’s probable collapse, fire, and damage done to it.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

I am sure you heard the firefighters radio where they said they can put the fire out and it was not that bad.

You have looked into this, so what do you think about the firemen that said the building exploded? I believe they said: “it was like boom boom boom boom, like it was being blown up.”

What do you think of them being hit with a gag order?

What about eye witness reports of smelling cordite?

Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?

Painful questions.

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Please post direct quotes. Otherwise, I have idea what I’m responding to.

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?
[/quote]

Oh, and do you mean Molten metal? Or, molten steel? There is a difference.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Firefighters were apparently part of the WTC 7 conspiracy…
Read what they had to say about it’s probable collapse, fire, and damage done to it.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

I am sure you heard the firefighters radio where they said they can put the fire out and it was not that bad.

You have looked into this, so what do you think about the firemen that said the building exploded? I believe they said: “it was like boom boom boom boom, like it was being blown up.”

What do you think of them being hit with a gag order?

What about eye witness reports of smelling cordite?

Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?

Painful questions.

Please post direct quotes. Otherwise, I have idea what I’m responding to.[/quote]

Well, I am too tired to search for it written, and too tired to re-type it:

These guys say they have the fire just about out:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/videos/nyfd.mpg

These guys say it was like bombs going off. They were slapped with a gag order:
try tthis link:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/nyfd.htm

1-4-2002 Firefighters Trade magazine:
condemns 9-11 evidence destruction

Here we have Norman Mineta, transportation secretary testify before congress that Dick Cheney watched the plane approach the Pentagon up until it hit the building. He says he was asked before the planes struck the building “do the orders still stand?”

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/hamilton.wmv

Professor James Fetzer, co-founder of scholarsfor911truth.org accepted an invitation to appear on Fox’s popular Hannity and Colmes program. Apparently FOX believed there was a 9-11 course being taught at the University of Minnesota at Duluth, and somehow were oblivious to the powerful coalition of
over 300 faculty and experts that have debunked much of the government’s lies regarding the attacks of 9-11. In the short segment allocated, Professor Fetzer was able to enlighten the FOX viewers regarding Dick Cheney’s involvement, the controlled demolition of WTC1, 2, 7, and the admission that Osama bin Laden had no part in the attacks. Sean Hannity dodged a career-damaging bullet as he was absent and represented by Oliver North for this program.

Enjoy:
http://www.tyrannyalert.com/FetzerHannityColmes20060622.wmv

Yet for some reason, the media spotlights this ass clown:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/sheen.mpg

Actual radio conversation by firefighters that said the have the fires almost out.

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/nyfd.mpg

Professor David Ray Griffin states that “The 9-11 Commission Report is a national disgrace”, and that “it should win a prize for creative fiction”.

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/911commission.mpg

Question: Why were the CIA, FBI, Pentagon, Justice Department and Whitehouse shielded from investigation?

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/911%20commission2.mpg

Not to mention the undreds of eye witness reviews available at:

hysics Department Colloquium at Idaho State University, Sept. 1, 2006, 4:00 pm, Physical Science Building, room 140: What Caused Not Two but Three WTC Skyscrapers to COMPLETELY Collapse on 9/11/2001? More:

http://www.physics.isu.edu/colloquium/jones06.html

The criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be saved for forensic analysis but FEMA had it destroyed before anyone could seriously investigate it. FEMA was in position to take command because it had arrived the day before the attacks at New York?s Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, “Tripod II,” quite a coincidence.

Those who support the official account like Thomas Eagar (p. 14), professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT, usually argue that the collapse must be explained by the heat from the fires because the loss of loading-bearing capacity from the holes in the Towers was too small. The transfer of load would have been within the capacity of the towers. Since steel used in buildings must be able to bear five times its normal load, Eagar points out, the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength, " around 1,300oF. Eagar believes that this is what happened, though the fires did not appear to be extensive and intense enough, quickly billowing black smoke and relatively few flames.

Not to mention the hundreds of eyewitness accounts:

There is no doubt there are questions remaining.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?

Oh, and do you mean Molten metal? Or, molten steel? There is a difference.[/quote]

I suppose it would be steel since metal can be any number of, well, metals.

The best way to get away with a crime is to commit the crime, then be the person investigating the crime.

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/Italiandebateshow-WTC7.wmv

yea, Jet fuel did this to metal a week after thincident having water dumped on it daily during that week.

Nah, no explasives here.

You misunderstand. I’m asking. Was it molten steel? Do you know this, or not?

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
yea, Jet fuel did this to metal a week after thincident having water dumped on it daily during that week.

Nah, no explasives here.

[/quote]

Actually, there were lots of heat pockets for some time after the event. Also, I’ve seen this picture before.

Nothing from the picture tell’s me it’s molten metal, much less molten steel. Extremely hot? Yes. Molten? As in flowing metal? Nothing in the picture shows that. I see some sort of heated metal, with sparks showering down from the main mass. Below that, you see a bar with a red/orange hot end. Yet, that end of the bar isn’t molten.

By the way, why do you think explosives would cause trapped pockets of heat, moreso than than the fires?

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
yea, Jet fuel did this to metal a week after thincident having water dumped on it daily during that week.

Nah, no explasives here.

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oh, note the pincer is actually grasping and lifting the heated metal. grasping and lifting ‘molten’ metal?! Flowing metal?! Um, no. That’s like picking up pudding with salad tongs…

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Firefighters were apparently part of the WTC 7 conspiracy…
Read what they had to say about it’s probable collapse, fire, and damage done to it.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

I am sure you heard the firefighters radio where they said they can put the fire out and it was not that bad.

You have looked into this, so what do you think about the firemen that said the building exploded? I believe they said: “it was like boom boom boom boom, like it was being blown up.”

What do you think of them being hit with a gag order?

What about eye witness reports of smelling cordite?

Why was there molten metal in the basement of the building a week after it was demolished? What melted that metal?

Painful questions.

Please post direct quotes. Otherwise, I have idea what I’m responding to.

Well, I am too tired to search for it written, and too tired to re-type it:

These guys say they have the fire just about out:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/videos/nyfd.mpg

These guys say it was like bombs going off. They were slapped with a gag order:
try tthis link:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/nyfd.htm

1-4-2002 Firefighters Trade magazine:
condemns 9-11 evidence destruction

Here we have Norman Mineta, transportation secretary testify before congress that Dick Cheney watched the plane approach the Pentagon up until it hit the building. He says he was asked before the planes struck the building “do the orders still stand?”

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/hamilton.wmv

Professor James Fetzer, co-founder of scholarsfor911truth.org accepted an invitation to appear on Fox’s popular Hannity and Colmes program. Apparently FOX believed there was a 9-11 course being taught at the University of Minnesota at Duluth, and somehow were oblivious to the powerful coalition of
over 300 faculty and experts that have debunked much of the government’s lies regarding the attacks of 9-11. In the short segment allocated, Professor Fetzer was able to enlighten the FOX viewers regarding Dick Cheney’s involvement, the controlled demolition of WTC1, 2, 7, and the admission that Osama bin Laden had no part in the attacks. Sean Hannity dodged a career-damaging bullet as he was absent and represented by Oliver North for this program.

Enjoy:
http://www.tyrannyalert.com/FetzerHannityColmes20060622.wmv

Yet for some reason, the media spotlights this ass clown:

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/sheen.mpg

Actual radio conversation by firefighters that said the have the fires almost out.

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/nyfd.mpg

Professor David Ray Griffin states that “The 9-11 Commission Report is a national disgrace”, and that “it should win a prize for creative fiction”.

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/911commission.mpg

Question: Why were the CIA, FBI, Pentagon, Justice Department and Whitehouse shielded from investigation?

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/911%20commission2.mpg

Not to mention the undreds of eye witness reviews available at:

http://www.nistreview.org/
hysics Department Colloquium at Idaho State University, Sept. 1, 2006, 4:00 pm, Physical Science Building, room 140: What Caused Not Two but Three WTC Skyscrapers to COMPLETELY Collapse on 9/11/2001? More:

http://www.physics.isu.edu/colloquium/jones06.html

The criminal code requires that crime scene evidence be saved for forensic analysis but FEMA had it destroyed before anyone could seriously investigate it. FEMA was in position to take command because it had arrived the day before the attacks at New York?s Pier 29 to conduct a war game exercise, “Tripod II,” quite a coincidence.

Those who support the official account like Thomas Eagar (p. 14), professor of materials engineering and engineering systems at MIT, usually argue that the collapse must be explained by the heat from the fires because the loss of loading-bearing capacity from the holes in the Towers was too small. The transfer of load would have been within the capacity of the towers. Since steel used in buildings must be able to bear five times its normal load, Eagar points out, the steel in the towers could have collapsed only if heated to the point where it "lost 80 percent of its strength, " around 1,300oF. Eagar believes that this is what happened, though the fires did not appear to be extensive and intense enough, quickly billowing black smoke and relatively few flames.

Not to mention the hundreds of eyewitness accounts:

There is no doubt there are questions remaining.

[/quote]

Way too many things at once. I’d rather tackle points one at a time. As addressing even one fully could get rather lenghty. See my posts to the molten metal/steel pic. After that, if you wish, pick a point or two at a time to discuss. If you wish.

Petedacook,

Okay Einstein what was the governments movtive for blowing up the twin towers.

(This should be funny)

[quote]Edders wrote:
Petedacook,

Okay Einstein what was the governments movtive for blowing up the twin towers.

(This should be funny)
[/quote]

I have not said the government blew up the twin towers, I am not saying that. What I am saying is there is sufficient evidence to merit further investigation.

Why was FEMA cleaning the wreckage immediately after it happened, and why was there no investigation into the rubble, and why has no one been held accountable for the atrocious negligence that happened that day.

YES, molten metal was under the debris of the collapsed buildings. Thermal images taken several days after the attack, after having water poured on it from fireman, was over the melting point of aluminum. Jet fuel (kerosene) did this?

[quote]Petedacook wrote:
Edders wrote:
Petedacook,

Okay Einstein what was the governments movtive for blowing up the twin towers.

(This should be funny)

I have not said the government blew up the twin towers, I am not saying that. What I am saying is there is sufficient evidence to merit further investigation.

Why was FEMA cleaning the wreckage immediately after it happened, and why was there no investigation into the rubble, and why has no one been held accountable for the atrocious negligence that happened that day.

[/quote]

Because everyone in the freaking world was aware that it was caused by Osama Bin Laden (Remember he claimed responsibility for it you dumb shit). Everyone was aware early on that it was Osama. Everyone except you lunatics who think there’s some sort of conspiracy.

Go away.

[quote]Edders wrote:

Because everyone in the freaking world was aware that it was caused by Osama Bin Laden (Remember he claimed responsibility for it you dumb shit). Everyone was aware early on that it was Osama. Everyone except you lunatics who think there’s some sort of conspiracy.

Go away.
[/quote]

Typical. Attack the person instead of the argument.

If Osama Bin Ladin Was responsible for the attack, then whay was close members of his family privately flown out of the country 9-12-01 without question from any law enforcement agency?

If I went out and killed a few people, do you think the law enforcement might want to talk with my mother?

Why were these people not questioned, and private government hosted flights charted for them when every other US citizen was not allowed to fly? This is gross negligence, and quite frankly an unacceptable performance.

[quote]Edders wrote:

Because everyone in the freaking world was aware that it was caused by Osama Bin Laden (Remember he claimed responsibility for it you dumb shit). Everyone was aware early on that it was Osama. Everyone except you lunatics who think there’s some sort of conspiracy.

Go away.
[/quote]

If there was no doubt anyone did it, why not investigate the crime scene anyhow? Isn’t it possible Bin Ladin had explosives planted in the building as well?

Isn’t it possible there was more to the story? Isn’t it a god dam crime scene that should be investigated?

[quote]Edders wrote:
Petedacook wrote:
Edders wrote:
Petedacook,

Okay Einstein what was the governments movtive for blowing up the twin towers.

(This should be funny)

I have not said the government blew up the twin towers, I am not saying that. What I am saying is there is sufficient evidence to merit further investigation.

Why was FEMA cleaning the wreckage immediately after it happened, and why was there no investigation into the rubble, and why has no one been held accountable for the atrocious negligence that happened that day.

Because everyone in the freaking world was aware that it was caused by Osama Bin Laden (Remember he claimed responsibility for it you dumb shit). Everyone was aware early on that it was Osama. Everyone except you lunatics who think there’s some sort of conspiracy.

Go away.
[/quote]

Mental Block Mental Block Mental Block Freedom! Freedom!

You see that book “addicted to war” I posted about it, read it(10$). That book claims nothing about this conspiracy, However explains to you maybe why people would claim such a thing. And I think that’s what pete is trying to get you to ask yourself here. Always keep asking questions, because theres more to the picture than what you’ve seen on the mainstream.

I mean really to call us Lunatics is quite harsh. If you take a step back and realize what we’re doing, we are not criticizing you, we just want to help. That’s all we are doing is trying to get some critical thinking here for you people, now if I come off as insulting, sorry.

Has anything been investigated to the extent that some of you want?