Baptists Protest @ Green Beret Funeral

I think the important issue here is that we don’t paint large groups with the same brush as we paint the smaller groups. I am thinking of Volvos here, and, I guess, Baptists could fit too.

Although I don’t own a Volvo, I understand they are quite well built. I even know some decent people who own Volvos. So let’s not villify the poor Volvo because of a few bad apples.

As for Baptists, I also know some quite well built Baptists, both men and women. They are decent people, some even own Volvos.

Since those protestors were from Kansas, I guess we can’t lump all the good folks from there in with this small group of insensitive…enough on them

Those protestors are also Americans so we can’t paint all Americans with the same brush as those dozen or so Volvo driving (was it a Volvo?), Baptists from Kansas. If we did that, then, really, all English speaking people should be painted with the same brush.

As a naturally intolerant person, I have a job where I work closely with Africans, Americans, Asians, bisexuals, heterosexuals, homosexuals, English speakers and foreigh language speakers, men, women, bad and good (all groups mentioned alphabetically, BTW). And who have I found to be the easiest to get along with? The answer is: Yes.

And, yes, there are those individuals in each of those groups who I have experienced to be royal pains in the rectal sphincter, just as, I am sure, I have been at one time or another (we need not go any further than my wife or kids to prove that statement out).

What I am saying by all of this is simply: it is not the group nor association that an individual is a part of that makes the individual an idiot, it is the individual.

Well, I would agree with you that anyone guilty of doing this is an asshole. I am vehemently opposed to this war, but it has never run through my mind for a nano second to protest to a soldier period much less a soldiers funeral! Anyone who would do such a thing is seriously mentally deficient.

I could be mistaken, but to me it clearly looked you were making the anyone who isn’t a pro war conservative republican is a liberal hippy connotation.

Remember, extremists from any agenda are bad news and their are many people, more so lately, who are middle of the road and many vets of past wars who oppose this war.

[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
Well, I would agree with you that anyone guilty of doing this is an asshole. I am vehemently opposed to this war, but it has never run through my mind for a nano second to protest to a soldier period much less a soldiers funeral! Anyone who would do such a thing is seriously mentally deficient.

I could be mistaken, but to me it clearly looked you were making the anyone who isn’t a pro war conservative republican is a liberal hippy connotation.

Remember, extremists from any agenda are bad news and their are many people, more so lately, who are middle of the road and many vets of past wars who oppose this war. [/quote]

I appologize if that was the way my post was taken, because it was not intended that way. I aggree that extremists are the problem period. It doesn’t matter which way be it right or left. In fact my best friend here is a republican and has opposed the war from it’s start, but you probrably wont find a person more devoted to the military personelle fighting in it. We both work for the military and we have a significant ammount of interaction with military personelle and in fact everyday what we do has a direct impact on thier lives, so these stories just get the best of me. I mean I could have said Audi, but Volvo was the first on my mind.

I guess the point that I was trying to make is that I think many people who go to this extreme in protesting are either deviant in nature or are so removed from normal life that they can’t appreciate what they are doing.

Where I have seen this void of appreciation is generally in upper class areas. You don’t see many blue collar kids in Southie laying into soldiers, but you do see plenty of wealthy kids in Harvard attempting to “inform the poor masses that are lacking the insight to see how bad the US really is”. Excuse me I now have to throw up.

The sad part is that in every protest that has occured at our facility and each of the ones I have heard about from the DoD and state security working them is that a majority of people involved are very wealth individules who have waaay too much time on thier hands to plan and organise these things. What is interesting is that many of these poeple probrably don’t even know anyone who is in the military. I think it is safe to say that many people in the military are using it as a way to finance college. That deosn’t mean they are ignorant or stupid and can’t make it in college, they just don’t have the funds available. There just tends to be an elitist mentality about the whole thing.

You are talking about very different things when you go down this road. This is a road that contains folks that think US policies anger people in other countries.

Anyhow, people have every right to think that, or sit around and discuss that notion in appropriate places, or to voice their opinion on the matter. However, a funeral would be the wrong place to do it.

Again, you are lumping together things you don’t like into some superclass of rejects doing inappropriate things.

Funeral protests = bad.
Lawful respectful dissenters = good.

This should be the case whether or not you happen to agree with the particular nutjob in question.

I guess it always boils down to the view from where you are. I live in a highly conservative republican town. Many of the hard core Bush war supporters, I come across are fairly wealthy, mean income well above $80,000 per year and many of them have never been in the military. So, in a certain respect they seem very elitist to me.

I have always been opposed to this war and fall squarely in the middle class ranks and I was in the military. So, go figure. I know many think that all who oppose this war are either Hollywood actors or producers or Harvard or Ivy league professors, but that’s just as wrong as saying all war supporters are white evangelical christians.

Let’s not forget… these zealots were not protesting against the war. They were protesting against gays and gay rights. They were simply using the funeral of a brave soldier to make sure that their intolerant views would be heard.

The protesters at the Green Beret’s funeral were:
a) Conservatives - not likely, as conservatives tend to be pro war and pro military.
b) Liberals - not likely, as liberals tend to be pro gay rights.
c) Assholes - DING DING DING, we have a winner!

LA

LA is right!

LA is absolutly right. OK I admit it, I am not thinking rationally about this subject because it gets me too worked up. I deeply apologize to any people or vehicles that I offended.

I would think they could be arrested for disturbance of the peace. If they came to someone?s funeral I cared about. Someone would be arrested.

[quote]wtagye wrote:
LA is absolutly right. OK I admit it, I am not thinking rationally about this subject because it gets me too worked up. I deeply apologize to any people or vehicles that I offended. [/quote]

I accept your apology, as I hope you will accept mine. But, the Volvo’s on the other hand, I can’t speak for them and I hear their pissed about the whole comparison!

Why couldn’t you have said Hyundai? There much more docile.

I can’t explain the Volvo thing, clearly I wasn’t thinking. Next time I will try to go with Yugos. Apology accepted.

[quote]wtagye wrote:
I can’t explain the Volvo thing, clearly I wasn’t thinking. Next time I will try to go with Yugos. Apology accepted.[/quote]

Dont go after Yugos dude try Fiats.

[quote]Jersey5150 wrote:
wtagye wrote:
I can’t explain the Volvo thing, clearly I wasn’t thinking. Next time I will try to go with Yugos. Apology accepted.

Dont go after Yugos dude try Fiats.[/quote]

This man is brilliant!!!

[quote]LA wrote:
Let’s not forget… these zealots were not protesting against the war. They were protesting against gays and gay rights. They were simply using the funeral of a brave soldier to make sure that their intolerant views would be heard.

The protesters at the Green Beret’s funeral were:
a) Conservatives - not likely, as conservatives tend to be pro war and pro military.
b) Liberals - not likely, as liberals tend to be pro gay rights.
c) Assholes - DING DING DING, we have a winner!

LA[/quote]

Bipartisan agreement…see it is possible.

Elk,

I read your post about your town…sounds like paradise.

My new town in NJ almost 100% democratic and liberal…my pennance for a mis-spent youth no doubt.

[quote]hedo wrote:
LA wrote:
Let’s not forget… these zealots were not protesting against the war. They were protesting against gays and gay rights. They were simply using the funeral of a brave soldier to make sure that their intolerant views would be heard.

The protesters at the Green Beret’s funeral were:
a) Conservatives - not likely, as conservatives tend to be pro war and pro military.
b) Liberals - not likely, as liberals tend to be pro gay rights.
c) Assholes - DING DING DING, we have a winner!

LA

Bipartisan agreement…see it is possible.

Elk,

I read your post about your town…sounds like paradise.

My new town in NJ almost 100% democratic and liberal…my pennance for a mis-spent youth no doubt.

[/quote]

What city in NJ? I am from Elizabeth.

hedo, you would indeed be in paradise… literaly feel like you died and went to Repub heaven.

Maybe there’s exchange program we can sign up for?

[quote]DieselD wrote:
That pastor in that story is a Cock. Makes me almost ashamed to call myself a Christian. And I believe that soliders Die to Protect us from further hate expressed on our country, not because of sin. God Hates the sin…not the sinner. To say that we as a country lost so many lives because of social tolerance. Is Ignorant.

My Brother Firefighters and Paramedics died because of the same hate that their group is expressing. Hate is hate by any name.[/quote]

These people are our ‘Taliban’ and ‘Wahabists’.

The sad thing is they are more prevelant then I would like to admit.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:

These people are our ‘Taliban’ and ‘Wahabists’.

The sad thing is they are more prevelant then I would like to admit.

[/quote]

I don’t know how prevelant they really are but they are sure vocal and get too much press.

[quote]vroom wrote:
You don’t see many blue collar kids in Southie laying into soldiers, but you do see plenty of wealthy kids in Harvard attempting to “inform the poor masses that are lacking the insight to see how bad the US really is”

You are talking about very different things when you go down this road. This is a road that contains folks that think US policies anger people in other countries.

Anyhow, people have every right to think that, or sit around and discuss that notion in appropriate places, or to voice their opinion on the matter. However, a funeral would be the wrong place to do it.

Again, you are lumping together things you don’t like into some superclass of rejects doing inappropriate things.

Funeral protests = bad.
Lawful respectful dissenters = good.

This should be the case whether or not you happen to agree with the particular nutjob in question.[/quote]

Very true!

Those motherfuckers. I just read this thread and was instantly enraged. There’s a time and place to protest, AND A GREEN BERET’S FUNERAL IS NOT IT. I recommend posting snipers on rooftops and setting up machine gun nests at intersections. RIP, Green Beret. RLTW

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