[quote]Artem wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Any naked man who breaks into my daughter’s room with rope, a knife, condoms, and a gag, with the intention of sexual harm, is going to get my fury [i]unleashed[/i] on him. He will feel my wrath.
That’s exactly what happened in this situation. I’d expect no less from any other father.
It’s justice that no charges will be filed against the dad.
What about a naked man who breaks into your daughter’s room with rope, a knife, condoms, and a gag, with no intention of sexual harm?
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Well, let’s say it was a boyfriend playing a fantasy prank with no intention of harm - then he’s pretty much risking his life. But he’d probably identify himself as he’s getting his ass kicked so it would stop there. A boyfriend would probably carry a rubber knife as well for safety. I would basically use enough force to neutralize the perceived threat in this scenario.
However, the mere fact that the guy was carrying rope, a sharp steel blade, and a gag, means that he was going to do real harm. In this case, it’s an all out fight for life and death against an armed and dangerous opponent.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
I don’t think this is an ideal situation.
I bet the dad will feel slightly bad about killing him, even if it was 100% the guys fault. I feel sorry for the father and his daughter.
What in your opinion have made this situation “ideal”. Does this happen in Australia?
I dunno, if some ninja had dropped from the ceiling and had killed the dude, then the father wouldn’t have to feel bad about it[/quote]
I’d be thinking of all the other females I’d saved from the fuckin creep. Someone harms my daughter, I’ll go to prison to get him, without a second thought.
[quote]streamline wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
I don’t think this is an ideal situation.
I bet the dad will feel slightly bad about killing him, even if it was 100% the guys fault. I feel sorry for the father and his daughter.
What in your opinion have made this situation “ideal”. Does this happen in Australia?
I dunno, if some ninja had dropped from the ceiling and had killed the dude, then the father wouldn’t have to feel bad about it
I’d be thinking of all the other females I’d saved from the fuckin creep. Someone harms my daughter, I’ll go to prison to get him, without a second thought. [/quote]
It’s easy to justify what he did, but most people would feel bad about killing someone. Even if it was irrational, and unjustified.
Think of all the soldiers in war who are traumatised killing someone who they know would kill them.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
streamline wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
I don’t think this is an ideal situation.
I bet the dad will feel slightly bad about killing him, even if it was 100% the guys fault. I feel sorry for the father and his daughter.
What in your opinion have made this situation “ideal”. Does this happen in Australia?
I dunno, if some ninja had dropped from the ceiling and had killed the dude, then the father wouldn’t have to feel bad about it
I’d be thinking of all the other females I’d saved from the fuckin creep. Someone harms my daughter, I’ll go to prison to get him, without a second thought.
It’s easy to justify what he did, but most people would feel bad about killing someone. Even if it was irrational, and unjustified.
Think of all the soldiers in war who are traumatised killing someone who they know would kill them.[/quote]
I understand what you’re saying. However, a soldier killing a soldier is like killing yourself. The person was a soldier just like you. Killing an evil minded creep is a little different.
Then you also have the general differences between people. One never really knows until after the fact. The old fight or flight syndrome, you just never know.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Why does he have condoms? Sounds like he’s been watching too much CSI.
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All convicted and registered sexual offenders are required to provide samples of their DNA which is stored in a national database. No doubt it was his intent that his semen containing DNA would not be found on the victim.
[quote]Artem wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Any naked man who breaks into my daughter’s room with rope, a knife, condoms, and a gag, with the intention of sexual harm, is going to get my fury [i]unleashed[/i] on him. He will feel my wrath.
That’s exactly what happened in this situation. I’d expect no less from any other father.
It’s justice that no charges will be filed against the dad.
What about a naked man who breaks into your daughter’s room with rope, a knife, condoms, and a gag, with no intention of sexual harm?
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If he’s naked in a minor’s room, he’s still committing sexual harm, and breaking and entering and (at least in England) assault, because he’s scared my daughter. To be honest, I’d probably kill a guy for making my daughter cry, never mind this. I do feel sorry for the father. He should be proud, but he probably won’t.
Even as a Christian & a general pacifist, I would take any intruder in my daughters room apart, inflicting as much trauma as possible before helping him shuffle off this mortal coil.
It isn’t really the time for humor, but a couple of buddies and I have pretty much got the 16 year old’s date scene from Bad Boys II memorized. (the only scene in the movie worth seeing,) for when my daughter is old enough to date.
[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Westclock wrote:
I would broken his neck intentionally before the police got there and claimed it was an accident or “self defense”.
It would still be self defense.
If a registered sex offender broke into your house naked and carrying a knife, is there anything you could to him that wouldn’t be considered self defense? [/quote]
Awesome would expect nothing less if this happened in my household! However i would fear in politically correct UK that the Dad would find himself up on manslaughter if not murder charges, which worries me and i see as something you Amercans have right in your country.
However regardless of the threat of criminal charges i would have acted the very same way justice has been served!
Nuttah, according to the law in the UK, this is self-defence (as in defence of another). However, whether a court would see it this way is another thing entirely. Well done to the American justice system on this one.
Granted Orcus but you see where i am coming from, fairly often you read on intruders in a home and the homeowner being charged with assualt ect. imo as soon as someone crosses the threshold of my house they are fair game and have opened them selves up to what ever i can dish out… however props to the american justice system again
Yeah, of course, I completely agree, for some reason the guy who breaks into my house can become the victim, and I’m glad this isn’t the case in this story. Fortunately for me, where I live the whole “man’s home is his castle” rules apply and the police wouldn’t dare interfere.
[quote]Certified_nuttah wrote:
Granted Orcus but you see where i am coming from, fairly often you read on intruders in a home and the homeowner being charged with assualt ect. imo as soon as someone crosses the threshold of my house they are fair game and have opened them selves up to what ever i can dish out… however props to the american justice system again[/quote]
What about if a kid breaks into your property because they thought no one was home and they wanted to smoke weed. Do you have the right to shoot and kill them?
You americans are lucky. If that happened in britain you would be sent to prison. Reduced charge of manslaughter of course. But a criminal record and time served for sure. Wouldnt stop me though! Id gi jigsaw on his ass make him cut his own nuts off etc
hamr different secnario all together i was talking if your home sleeping or awake for that matter and someone forces entry then they are fair game as they then pose a threat to me and my family. if any kid broke in to my place to smoke weed i would be surprised to be honest lets be sensible sure they can find a field of some disused building alot of effort to break in just to smoke weed, would probably give them a sound beating call the police and say he broke in while i was watching telly.
[quote]Certified_nuttah wrote:
hamr different secnario all together i was talking if your home sleeping or awake for that matter and someone forces entry then they are fair game as they then pose a threat to me and my family. if any kid broke in to my place to smoke weed i would be surprised to be honest lets be sensible sure they can find a field of some disused building alot of effort to break in just to smoke weed, would probably give them a sound beating call the police and say he broke in while i was watching telly.[/quote]
Yeah I see what you mean. But some people are that crazy that they would try and kill anyone on their property.
If someone legitimately comes onto your property and risks harming you then I have no objection doing what you think you need to do.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Certified_nuttah wrote:
hamr different secnario all together i was talking if your home sleeping or awake for that matter and someone forces entry then they are fair game as they then pose a threat to me and my family. if any kid broke in to my place to smoke weed i would be surprised to be honest lets be sensible sure they can find a field of some disused building alot of effort to break in just to smoke weed, would probably give them a sound beating call the police and say he broke in while i was watching telly.
Yeah I see what you mean. But some people are that crazy that they would try and kill anyone on their property.
If someone legitimately comes onto your property and risks harming you then I have no objection doing what you think you need to do.[/quote]
I see very few legitimate reasons anyone should be inside your house. It should be a clear global rule that anyone who enters the property of another without permision forfeits all rights to press charges for damages to person or property. If this was the case no kids would break into a house to smoke weed, cmon, if they could be killed or severely beaten? I think not.
The rules should be, if its where you are sleeping then its self defence regaurdless of outcome. That way, to make it black and white like that, you can be sure the only people coming into your house unannounced are up to no good, or if not will probably be making it very clear vocally that they are in there and need help/dont mean any harm.
The legitimate counter argument is that if all burglars go into a house expecting violent agression, they will go in prepared to retaliate. And since the aggressor is more likely to be alert/awake, prepared physically and morally, and also armed, it would certainly lead to more murders as a result of burglaries being interrupted.