[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
You can do up to approximately 60g of fructose according to Kiefer/Naomi now, based on some fructose metabolism extrapolations they did from rat studies. (I’ve done the math myself and come to a similar result.)[/quote]
How much can you really take home from rat/mouse studies on carbohydrate metabolism. I was under the impression their mechansims of carb metabolism was a bit different than ares. One area specifically is DNL
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
You can do up to approximately 60g of fructose according to Kiefer/Naomi now, based on some fructose metabolism extrapolations they did from rat studies. (I’ve done the math myself and come to a similar result.)[/quote]
How much can you really take home from rat/mouse studies on carbohydrate metabolism. I was under the impression their mechansims of carb metabolism was a bit different than ares. One area specifically is DNL[/quote]
We’re only looking at liver metabolism of fructose to restore glycogen, not the overall carbohydrate metabolism system. DNL should only occur past the threshold amount required to fill glycogen stores.
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
You can do up to approximately 60g of fructose according to Kiefer/Naomi now, based on some fructose metabolism extrapolations they did from rat studies. (I’ve done the math myself and come to a similar result.)[/quote]
How much can you really take home from rat/mouse studies on carbohydrate metabolism. I was under the impression their mechansims of carb metabolism was a bit different than ares. One area specifically is DNL[/quote]
We’re only looking at liver metabolism of fructose to restore glycogen, not the overall carbohydrate metabolism system. DNL should only occur past the threshold amount required to fill glycogen stores.[/quote]
I was just wondering I had never looked deeply into the whole carbohydrate metabolism Just making sure. i am not one to study things i dont care about 
and animal phys is not one of those thigs
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
You can do up to approximately 60g of fructose according to Kiefer/Naomi now, based on some fructose metabolism extrapolations they did from rat studies. (I’ve done the math myself and come to a similar result.)[/quote]
Ok so I can get in about 60 grams of carbs from food with high fructose corn syrup in it? Or do they mean something different
sorry for hijacking you’re thread, Vlad.
[quote]Vladamir wrote:
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
You can do up to approximately 60g of fructose according to Kiefer/Naomi now, based on some fructose metabolism extrapolations they did from rat studies. (I’ve done the math myself and come to a similar result.)[/quote]
Ok so I can get in about 60 grams of carbs from food with high fructose corn syrup in it? Or do they mean something different[/quote]
Absolutely no HFCS. The fructose is from fruit.
In theory, though, you could take in more than 60 grams of HFCS (assuming you don’t buy into the story that HFCS is very dissimilar from sucrose) as there are two typical varieties used in food: HFCS 55, which is 55% fructose and 42% glucose and HFCS 42 which is 42% fructose and 53% glucose. The former is typically used in soda, while the later is in other goods that use HFCS.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores?
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
But they love you! I’ve never felt so loved and accepted than when I have a fat cinnabon with extra frosting sitting in front of me
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
Drop some bodyfat and backload and this will change. Certainly has for me! I used the anabolic diet for years because I thought it was the only way I could be lean (and I was still no where near lean!) This way works so much better. Last night I had a rice, pineapple, easter eggs, ice cream and pizza, and I am still lean and getting leaner.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
Drop some bodyfat and backload and this will change. Certainly has for me! I used the anabolic diet for years because I thought it was the only way I could be lean (and I was still no where near lean!) This way works so much better. Last night I had a rice, pineapple, easter eggs, ice cream and pizza, and I am still lean and getting leaner. [/quote]
I’ll second this. Although not my lightest, I’m the leanest 240 I’ve been so far.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
No there is no anabolic signaling from that. Unless you deplete your stores so far down that the body wants to only focus on getting some its stores back. Which is why i said this would not work if you are on a high volume routine. Medium volume and low volume strength work no you will not depelte your glycogen enough to hinder any anabolic process. The longer you with hold carbs post workout the larger the super compensation will be when you do introduce them. So if you do a morning workout (again low or medium volume and are not performing another workout until at least the next morning) then there is no reason to load any carbs in after. Kiefer actually over looked multipled studies that show that having a small amount of carbs after a workout then waiting a long time will actually hinder a lot of what he is trying to acomplish with backloading. you would be much better off not having carbs until the night and just spike insulin with hydrolase and leucine whihc will be enough of a spike for anabolic actions of insulin.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
Drop some bodyfat and backload and this will change. Certainly has for me! I used the anabolic diet for years because I thought it was the only way I could be lean (and I was still no where near lean!) This way works so much better. Last night I had a rice, pineapple, easter eggs, ice cream and pizza, and I am still lean and getting leaner. [/quote]
Glitch any idea what your macros and calories are? WOuld it be possible for at least an estimate? I am just curious? Also what does you scheudle look like for food and lifting?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
Drop some bodyfat and backload and this will change. Certainly has for me! I used the anabolic diet for years because I thought it was the only way I could be lean (and I was still no where near lean!) This way works so much better. Last night I had a rice, pineapple, easter eggs, ice cream and pizza, and I am still lean and getting leaner. [/quote]
Glitch any idea what your macros and calories are? WOuld it be possible for at least an estimate? I am just curious? Also what does you scheudle look like for food and lifting?[/quote]
I think I already posted this for you not too long ago in Sioux thread. Calories/Macros are about the same.
I havent changed much since then. The only things Im doing different now is more fat in my first meal of the day (an extra 15-20grams) and Ive decided to condense my pwo carb load into one meal. Where I was previously eating a meal consisting of chicken, rice, pineapple and skittles followed by a bedtime meal of steak and ice cream I have simply shifted the ice cream to the pwo meal and have the steak on its own. Just did this to see if this helps with sleep and getting into that “fat burning nightime GH release” sooner. Seems to be going fine. Still losing fat. Strength is going up barring a few things injury/overuse related. So slight increase in calories nothing major over that last thing I posted.
schedule wise
training days (monday/wednesday/friday/sunday)
wake at 7:15
coffee with coconut oil at 8:30 or so
lunch at 12:00
pre-workout meal with coffee and coconut oil at 3:30-4:00
BCAAs with workout at 5:15 till about 6:30
PWO meal at about 7:00
pre-bed meal at about 9-9:30
off days (tuesday/thurday)
wake at 7:15
coffee with coconut oil at 8:30 or so
lunch at 12:00
KFC or Burger King 3:30-4:00 (meals are always about 1000cals here and 30grams or less of carbs)
some times BCAAs at about 6:30
pre-bed meal at about 9-9:30
saturdays
saturday I dont really bother thinking/planning or worrying about diet wise. Sometimes Ill have a lunch and a late dinner (sometimes eat out) sometimes Ill fast right through to a late dinner only drinking coffee and taking some BCAAs (havent done this in a few months though) and though I am usually low carb first half of the day I will sometimes eat a “reasonable” amount of carbs (100grams or so) at the dinner. This day I consider a low protein/low calorie day in so far as I might only get 100grams of protein and maybe 1800-2000cals max.
rinse and repeat.
I had a faint recolection of that. So still averaging around 2800? I guess that does not suprise me that you are losing like that. Now if your average was higher i would say awesome. Keifer makes it sound like you can eat a lot of carbs and lose. 300 on lifting days to me is not a lot. Not knocking this way of eating as its my favorite.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
Drop some bodyfat and backload and this will change. Certainly has for me! I used the anabolic diet for years because I thought it was the only way I could be lean (and I was still no where near lean!) This way works so much better. Last night I had a rice, pineapple, easter eggs, ice cream and pizza, and I am still lean and getting leaner. [/quote]
Im jealous of your meal. Ive been using the anabolic diet as well but with one carb heavy meal twice a week (sunday/wednesday). Ive dropped about 25 lbs in 3 weeks and my strength is still increasing. It is surprising how little carbs I may actually need going forward since I have not really seen a decrease in the gym.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
But they love you! I’ve never felt so loved and accepted than when I have a fat cinnabon with extra frosting sitting in front of me :)[/quote]
killing me my friend…
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
But they love you! I’ve never felt so loved and accepted than when I have a fat cinnabon with extra frosting sitting in front of me :)[/quote]
killing me my friend…
[/quote]
Yeah Meadows is about to start killing me. He’s working on a plan for me to put a bit more weight on me. I don’t think he likes me backloading with cinnabons as often as I do 
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]KODOM wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
is the casein hyrolasate/leucine/WPI during the day before the back load?
i.e. a protein shake + bcaa?[/quote]
From what i read that is for the post workout shake. Then you would eat protein/fat meals until night and then proceed to carb load.
The recommeded numbers i saw for the pwo shake were:
10-20 grams Casein Hydro
10 grams leucine
40 grams WPI[/quote]
and about 40g of a high GI carb. Dextrose works well. OR bananas.[/quote]
According to an article i read, he recommeds that PWO shake minus the carbs. The reason behind using the leucine and Casein Hydro was to spike insulin without using carbs to resume fat burning as soon as possible (for morning workouts only).
Sioux, you have the book and you know better than I. What are your thoughts about the above?[/quote]
These were my thoughts from a lot of other reading and mutliple other authors and studies. The need for glycogen replenishment serves no purpose unless you do crazy high volume or are going to be doing another training session before your nightly carb load. [/quote]
I agree. In your very high volume workouts you deplete your glycogen considerably, and are a perfect candidate for this “back loading” stuff to work. For probably the majority on here who do a 5/3/1 or some other low to medium volume workout it isn’t as advantageous. For those guys, 0.5-0.7 g/kg of carbs PWO is probably the limit. [/quote]
I wasnt replying about myself and my workouts, just my thoughts on morning workouts and CBL according to what i researched else where and trying to help somone else out. I do not think there is a need for most people to have carbs right after a morning workout other than the couple of exceptions.
Also Mr. KoDom. I would love to hear your thoughts on CBL book :)[/quote]
I still think this depends on goals. For Phish who probably wants a recomp/fatloss then Id agree with your idea. If someone had to workout in the morning and was going for muscle gain I would go with Kiefer’s orginal pwo shake with carbs idea. You dont think theres any positive anabolic signalling to be had from filling glycogen stores? [/quote]
Me and carbs are not friends right now…
[/quote]
But they love you! I’ve never felt so loved and accepted than when I have a fat cinnabon with extra frosting sitting in front of me :)[/quote]
killing me my friend…
[/quote]
Yeah Meadows is about to start killing me. He’s working on a plan for me to put a bit more weight on me. I don’t think he likes me backloading with cinnabons as often as I do :([/quote]
maybe you can use that coffee mate cinnabon flavor in your PWO shake…