[quote]AynRandLuvr wrote:
Ms. Rand thought of herself as an artist. Would Da Vinci debate the merits of his work with idiots?[/quote]
I consider myself to be an artist, and I talk to idiots daily.
I will take a look at “We the Living” though.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
No matter how many times you repeat nonsense it is still nonsense.
The world is perishing? Really? [/quote]
Yes. It is.
Why is what she wrote nonsense to you? What is it about her work that is nonsensical? I suppose that you’re problem with her work is what you perceive as her lack of sympathy or pity for the weak. But she didn’t think this at all — for ex, Eddie Willers, in Shrugged, is honest but not heroic in intellect. She admires him. Her problem was with those who were evil, not the average or weak.
You are prejudging her work w/o understanding it.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
I just finished the Fountainhead a few days ago. What a poorly written piece of crap. Lame plot, stilted dialogue, unsympathetic hero, ridiculously poor villains…
How could anyone take her seriously as an author or philosopher?
I’ve never read her fiction but I agree with her philosophy. It just seems immoral to you because your standard of morality is corrupt.[/quote]
Why don’t you explain her standard of morality to us. This should be interesting.
Your life belongs to YOU and it is sacred. No one may initiate violence against another. Anyone who initiates violence against another is a criminal and is dealt with appropriately. Leave each other alone.
I really don’t see why any one who is rational could object to that.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
AynRandLuvr wrote:
“Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage’s whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men.”
The Fountainhead, 1943
“Great men can’t be ruled.”
The Fountainhead, 1943
“Kill reverence and you’ve killed the hero in man.”
The Fountainhead, 1943
“It had to be said: the world is perishing from an orgy of self-sacrifice.”
The Fountainhead, 1943
“I swear - by my life and my love for it – that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
Atlas Shrugged 1957
“To deal with men by force is as impractical as to deal with nature by persuasion.”
“The Metaphysical Versus the Man-Made,” Philosophy: Who Needs It
“Intellectual freedom cannot exist without political freedom; political freedom cannot exist without economic freedom; a free mind and a free market are corollaries.”
For The New Intellectual
http://www.quotationspage.com/special.php3?file=w980201
Trolling HH, Zap?
No matter how many times you repeat nonsense it is still nonsense.
The world is perishing? Really?
If you can refute any of the above, I would read it gladly.
(to borrow from Ms. Rand)
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The world is not perishing.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Your life belongs to YOU and it is sacred. No one may initiate violence against another. Anyone who initiates violence against another is a criminal and is dealt with appropriately. Leave each other alone.
I really don’t see why any one who is rational could object to that.[/quote]
Who deals with criminals and how? Through violence? Who determines who is a criminal?
It falls apart right away.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Your life belongs to YOU and it is sacred. No one may initiate violence against another. Anyone who initiates violence against another is a criminal and is dealt with appropriately. Leave each other alone.
I really don’t see why any one who is rational could object to that.
Who deals with criminals and how? Through violence? Who determines who is a criminal?
It falls apart right away.[/quote]
Why is it confusing? The police/military/judiciary are hired to prevent or deal with the initiation of violence. If a person, group, nation, initiates violence, they are dealt with. Perps are arrested and nations who attack us get bombed. How is that not clear?
The guiding principle of Ms. Rand’s philosophy is ‘Hands Off!’ All relationships between people are voluntary on all sides. Violate the principle and the forces of law are brought down upon your guilty head.
Why is any of that confusing? You’re smarter than this. Are you trolling?
Headhunter has a much higher tolerance for dumb questions than I do, because I literally gave up after reading Zap’s last post.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The world is not perishing.[/quote]
It’s worse than perishing, and would be better off if it were perishing.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Your life belongs to YOU and it is sacred. No one may initiate violence against another. Anyone who initiates violence against another is a criminal and is dealt with appropriately. Leave each other alone.
I really don’t see why any one who is rational could object to that.
Who deals with criminals and how? Through violence? Who determines who is a criminal?
It falls apart right away.
Why is it confusing? The police/military/judiciary are hired to prevent or deal with the initiation of violence. If a person, group, nation, initiates violence, they are dealt with. Perps are arrested and nations who attack us get bombed. How is that not clear?
The guiding principle of Ms. Rand’s philosophy is ‘Hands Off!’ All relationships between people are voluntary on all sides. Violate the principle and the forces of law are brought down upon your guilty head.
Why is any of that confusing? You’re smarter than this. Are you trolling?
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Who is in charge of the police and military? Their very existence gives one group of men power over another pointing out the glaring flaws in her simplistic philosophy.
[quote]belligerent wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The world is not perishing.
It’s worse than perishing, and would be better off if it were perishing.
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This is so stupid I am quoting it for the record.