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[quote]Kuz wrote:
Wow this is some weak shtick. It’s like a 16 year old who read the Count of Monte Cristo a few too many times. Do you actually add anything or just blather on with some kind of inanity?[/quote]

I happen to know the Count and he is a good chap, but we consider him almost middle class as you would say. I have contacted Tim Patterson and plan on buying the website outright in order to shut it down so the likes of riffraf like you will find better places to frequent. I suggest a hooligan’s bar or tavern. Cheerio

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[quote]GeorgeMontyIV wrote:
Kuz wrote:
Wow this is some weak shtick. It’s like a 16 year old who read the Count of Monte Cristo a few too many times. Do you actually add anything or just blather on with some kind of inanity?

I happen to know the Count and he is a good chap, but we consider him almost middle class as you would say. I have contacted Tim Patterson and plan on buying the website outright in order to shut it down so the likes of riffraf like you will find better places to frequent. I suggest a hooligan’s bar or tavern. Cheerio[/quote]

LOL Damn, that one made me laugh.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
It is about the fact that I pay twice as much in taxes a month as I do for my house.

You are complaining to a Canadian about how much YOU pay in taxes? ;)[/quote]

I feel for you but it doesn’t make it right.

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How about some real honest ideas on how to fix some of this? It’s real easy to complain about things, but it’s one hudred times more difficult to come up with ways to fix it…

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[quote]lostinthought wrote:
How about some real honest ideas on how to fix some of this? It’s real easy to complain about things, but it’s one hudred times more difficult to come up with ways to fix it…[/quote]

Every few years, every line of every spending bill should come under review (individually–not as part of a big ass bill). Someone must step up and sponsor it again, or it just fades away. The items that do get sponsored must then be revoted on.

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[quote]lostinthought wrote:
How about some real honest ideas on how to fix some of this? It’s real easy to complain about things, but it’s one hudred times more difficult to come up with ways to fix it…[/quote]

To fix welfare?? Stop finding new ways to add people to it. PA is actively searching for new people to give money to. We are suppose to have a 5 year limit which doesn’t actually happen. I’m gonna go out on a limb, most people around here could work if they wanted to. There are plenty of jobs. People abuse the system because they can.

I do feel there should be a safety system, I don’t think that if I lose my job and don’t have enough savings my kids should starve. I also don’t think I should be able to live off the government forever.

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[quote]GeorgeMontyIV wrote:
Today, as an exception, I’ve allowed my standards to slip significantly. As an aristocrat i have certain priveleges in this life, not having to put up with street urchins that propagate here should be one of them.

First, I debased myself by appearing here. Then, an apparant commoner tries to insinuate that my money will actually go to help homeless people in your American New Orleans.

You Sir, are beneath my contempt. I know this forum is not idiot proof, but at least I would have thought they could have made it dimwit resistant. Now, I must leave you to get on with whatever it is that you peasants do in your respective trailer parks on a Saturday evening. I’ve just finished my scotch and my maid awaits me. The dirty creature is about to perform some form of an oral act upon me that I’m told I’m to enjoy immensely! Good evening![/quote]

This is your 5th post, can you please use jokes that people older than 9 years old will laugh at.

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I fail to see any point to the original post. I detect a bleeding heart. oh the world is soooo fucked.

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[quote]
lostinthought wrote:
How about some real honest ideas on how to fix some of this? It’s real easy to complain about things, but it’s one hudred times more difficult to come up with ways to fix it…

doogie wrote:

Every few years, every line of every spending bill should come under review (individually–not as part of a big ass bill). Someone must step up and sponsor it again, or it just fades away. The items that do get sponsored must then be revoted on. [/quote]

I rather liked the Line-Item Veto concept, at least for spending bills.

At the very least, they should figure out some way to disallow the tacking on of riders and unrelated projects to bills. Actually, that would be good for other bills too, where opponents tack on stupid and/or offensive stuff to bills they don’t like, or opportunists stick in completely unrelated stuff they want passed.

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Dear President Bush and Members of Congress

In the three months since Hurricane Katrina, and then Hurricane Rita, ravaged New Orleans and coastal Louisiana, Americans have opened their hearts to those displaced and affected by the greatest natural disaster in our nation’s history. Their charitable and humanitarian outpouring reflects the very best in our country’s character. But more is necessary.

You requested that the citizens of Louisiana lead the way by creating and offering ideas for rebuilding that the Federal government can support. Through task forces, commissions, and community meetings, Louisiana is doing its part. Now, it is time for Washington to act.

To revitalize New Orleans and other affected communities will take a genuine commitment to the future. To secure the natural bounty of coastal Louisiana and America’s Wetlands as part of our legacy to future generations will take a commitment to protecting and restoring America’s greatest wetland treasure. This Administration and this Congress have a responsibility to act to save these treasures and the time to make that commitment is now.

At the heart of the revitalization effort and at the heart of your responsibility is a commitment to two things:

  1. Honest and effective storm protection, up to a Category 5 level, for New Orleans and other population centers, and
  2. Coastal restoration and conservation.

These two pieces are inextricably tied together, and are key responsibilities of the federal government. Each day that passes without a commitment to the survival and prosperity of New Orleans, south Louisiana and America’s Wetland compounds and prolongs this tragedy. This is not just about a storm or Louisiana. It is about whether America answers the call of stewardship and responsibility. The time to act is now.

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Headhunter c’mon. You already started this same damn argument on another thread, which isn’t even dead. Why bother with this? We all know you want to live with your head in the sand, not help anyone else, and never pay taxes. Thankfully, this is just you. Why bother with this again?

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIM OF KATRINA. GET OVER YOURSELF.

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Each man’s life is sacred. His life, his work, his wealth, are his property. They are not here to alleviate the suffering of others, no matter how much shreiking those others may do in demanding their ‘rights’ to the unearned.

I started this thread to point out how quickly the worship of need can lead to results we don’t want. The painless extractions of today can easily give way to the very painful extractions I listed.

Congress is voting billions of dollars to rebuild NO and environs. This money was taken by force from victims who may not necessarily agree with this. The rebuilding will take place with dollars taken by legalized looting, under the guise of benevolence. What makes this possible is the worship of need – the trump card of morality. “It doesn’t matter where the money comes from – we NEED it!!”

This is the philosophy of parasites and I will denounce it as such.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Each man’s life is sacred. His life, his work, his wealth, are his property. They are not here to alleviate the suffering of others, no matter how much shreiking those others may do in demanding their ‘rights’ to the unearned.

I started this thread to point out how quickly the worship of need can lead to results we don’t want. The painless extractions of today can easily give way to the very painful extractions I listed.

Congress is voting billions of dollars to rebuild NO and environs. This money was taken by force from victims who may not necessarily agree with this. The rebuilding will take place with dollars taken by legalized looting, under the guise of benevolence. What makes this possible is the worship of need – the trump card of morality. “It doesn’t matter where the money comes from – we NEED it!!”

This is the philosophy of parasites and I will denounce it as such.[/quote]

I think you’re a parasite on this site.

TSB!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Headhunter c’mon. You already started this same damn argument on another thread, which isn’t even dead. Why bother with this? We all know you want to live with your head in the sand, not help anyone else, and never pay taxes. Thankfully, this is just you. Why bother with this again?

YOU ARE NOT THE VICTIM OF KATRINA. GET OVER YOURSELF.[/quote]

I like helping others. Why do you say I don’t? I simply want to have a choice in the matter.

I also like to help fund police, firefighters, courts, and so forth. Do I like to do so with a gun pointed at me or a threat of jail if I don’t pay? No.

I bother with this because I am soft-hearted. I care about my fellow man and my country. Watching them go down a path of destruction bothers me greatly, or I wouldn’t bother responding to you at all. If I did not care, if I were the beast you guys make me out to be, I wouldn’t write this or care about you in the least.

FI, you appear to be quite intelligient. There is a possibility that you will one day figure out what the hell I’m trying to say.

Until then, let the games continue!!

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Each man’s life is sacred. His life, his work, his wealth, are his property. They are not here to alleviate the suffering of others, no matter how much shreiking those others may do in demanding their ‘rights’ to the unearned.

I started this thread to point out how quickly the worship of need can lead to results we don’t want. The painless extractions of today can easily give way to the very painful extractions I listed.

Congress is voting billions of dollars to rebuild NO and environs. This money was taken by force from victims who may not necessarily agree with this. The rebuilding will take place with dollars taken by legalized looting, under the guise of benevolence. What makes this possible is the worship of need – the trump card of morality. “It doesn’t matter where the money comes from – we NEED it!!”

This is the philosophy of parasites and I will denounce it as such.

I think you’re a parasite on this site.

TSB!
[/quote]

C’mon Harris! If you’re going to THINK, as you just said, it couldv’e been more than that. Sheeesshhhh…

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
blah-blah blah- blah blah- blah
Congress is voting billions of dollars to rebuild NO and environs. This money was taken by force from victims who may not necessarily agree with this. blah blah,…
Blah-blah- blah - parasite.[/quote]

New Orleans is a much bigger part of America than you. If you don’t like the system and it’s support of rebuilding the region, why don’t you find a better country to live in.

Just give us back ALL of our oil and gas money then let us decent from the Union. We’ll build our own fucking levees and flood protection.

Then, we’ll charge the living shit out of every American ship that wants to utilize the Miss River outlet.

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What exactly are we here for? Are we here to amass the most toys before we die? Are we here to make the world a better place? Are we here to live and let die? I don’t know what we are here for, but I suspect people have a lot of different opinions on this topic.

If we aren’t worshipping at the alter of humanity and fellowship, should we worship instead at the alter of greed? Which alter should we all prefer? What about great projects like the initial plan to build a mass highway system throughout America? Sometimes huge capital outlays are good for the future of a nation. Would such an outlay for New Orleans have any such benefit?

Look, I don’t know the answers, but you have to dig a bit further than being pissed off because the government wants to spend a chunk of change on capital improvements in a damaged region of your own country.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that the government look after all of the victims endlessly, but what kind of effect will it have on the nation if this tragedy goes unfixed? Something? Nothing? Who cares?

I don’t know the answer to that either.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Each man’s life is sacred. His life, his work, his wealth, are his property. They are not here to alleviate the suffering of others, no matter how much shreiking those others may do in demanding their ‘rights’ to the unearned.

What exactly are we here for? Are we here to amass the most toys before we die? Are we here to make the world a better place? Are we here to live and let die? I don’t know what we are here for, but I suspect people have a lot of different opinions on this topic.

I started this thread to point out how quickly the worship of need can lead to results we don’t want. The painless extractions of today can easily give way to the very painful extractions I listed.

If we aren’t worshipping at the alter of humanity and fellowship, should we worship instead at the alter of greed? Which alter should we all prefer? What about great projects like the initial plan to build a mass highway system throughout America? Sometimes huge capital outlays are good for the future of a nation. Would such an outlay for New Orleans have any such benefit?

Look, I don’t know the answers, but you have to dig a bit further than being pissed off because the government wants to spend a chunk of change on capital improvements in a damaged region of your own country.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that the government look after all of the victims endlessly, but what kind of effect will it have on the nation if this tragedy goes unfixed? Something? Nothing? Who cares?

I don’t know the answer to that either.[/quote]

I agree with what your saying. The thing that irritates me and makes me angry is that, and this was reported on the TV news so…, agencies like the Red Cross took in over 1.8 billion for Katrina. Now assuming that the Red Cross is the only agency that took in money, which they weren’t, you divide that by the number of affected victims and thats a pretty good chunk of change for each individual. I know thats simplistic, there are infrastructure costs and all, but to me, with all that was given via charities, the gov’t shouldn’t have had to spend anything. There should be enough. In a perfect world with no corruption and greed anyways!

Its very easy to be cynical when one sees this sort of thing happening. And yes, in the long run that attitude sucks. I guess when I really think about it all, I would just like to see it rebuilt, and the people helped and have it done right with some vision. If its done right, then its worth the cost. To me anyway.

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[quote]RHINO928 wrote:
New Orleans is a much bigger part of America than you. If you don’t like the system and it’s support of rebuilding the region, why don’t you find a better country to live in.

Just give us back ALL of our oil and gas money then let us decent from the Union. We’ll build our own fucking levees and flood protection. [/quote]

You mean like you should have done in the first place?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Each man’s life is sacred. His life, his work, his wealth, are his property. They are not here to alleviate the suffering of others, no matter how much shreiking those others may do in demanding their ‘rights’ to the unearned.

What exactly are we here for? Are we here to amass the most toys before we die? Are we here to make the world a better place? Are we here to live and let die? I don’t know what we are here for, but I suspect people have a lot of different opinions on this topic.

I started this thread to point out how quickly the worship of need can lead to results we don’t want. The painless extractions of today can easily give way to the very painful extractions I listed.

If we aren’t worshipping at the alter of humanity and fellowship, should we worship instead at the alter of greed? Which alter should we all prefer? What about great projects like the initial plan to build a mass highway system throughout America? Sometimes huge capital outlays are good for the future of a nation. Would such an outlay for New Orleans have any such benefit?

Look, I don’t know the answers, but you have to dig a bit further than being pissed off because the government wants to spend a chunk of change on capital improvements in a damaged region of your own country.

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that the government look after all of the victims endlessly, but what kind of effect will it have on the nation if this tragedy goes unfixed? Something? Nothing? Who cares?

I don’t know the answer to that either.[/quote]

Vroom, you’re making my point for me. What are we here for? Don’t YOU want to be the one who decides that for YOU? Whatever we are here for, was it to work and slave so that some unfortunate person can DEMAND your help?

The guys who made this website and supplement company (and very well) worked their asses off to make it go. Are they now supposed to turn over the money they sweated for to someone who didn’t want to be bothered? What gives someone else the right to demand THEIR money (which is what taxes are)? “Oh, it’ll make the world better!” Well, what if they don’t want to ‘contribute’? Would you force them? By what right?