I like veganists.
With the right wine, jum jum jum…
[quote]Ashes wrote:
Every T-Nation contributor and poster could sit round a huge table and thrash out a perfect nutrition plan for each and every one of those people and they would probably still end up as complete lard-asses! You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
There is absolutely no reason why someone who followed the Atkins plan to the letter and STUCK with it wouldnt see very good results.
The latter stages are based around eating meat, fish, dairy, fruit and vegetables. Throw in some heavy lifting, a bit of cardio and some decent post-workout nutrition and I cant see much wrong with that. Even if you were ignorant of these additions youd still be streets ahead of the average persons high carb, low protein diet.
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In all honesty, I know very little about the Atkin’s diet. The point I was trying to make with my example is that the avg. person cannot stick with a diet for an extended period of time.
My co-workers would have failed with any diet that was tried. I think balanced eating with exercise is far more sustainable for the average person. A lifestyle change is needed, not just jumping on the latest fad.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
To most people, that IS a diet.[/quote]
Your right. “No diet” was a poor choice of words. My wrong.
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
Ashes wrote:
Every T-Nation contributor and poster could sit round a huge table and thrash out a perfect nutrition plan for each and every one of those people and they would probably still end up as complete lard-asses! You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.
There is absolutely no reason why someone who followed the Atkins plan to the letter and STUCK with it wouldnt see very good results.
The latter stages are based around eating meat, fish, dairy, fruit and vegetables. Throw in some heavy lifting, a bit of cardio and some decent post-workout nutrition and I cant see much wrong with that. Even if you were ignorant of these additions youd still be streets ahead of the average persons high carb, low protein diet.
In all honesty, I know very little about the Atkin’s diet. The point I was trying to make with my example is that the avg. person cannot stick with a diet for an extended period of time.
My co-workers would have failed with any diet that was tried. I think balanced eating with exercise is far more sustainable for the average person. A lifestyle change is needed, not just jumping on the latest fad. [/quote]
What difference does that make? To even follow a certain routine takes some internal drive…a drive most of these people do not have. It doesn’t matter if you call it “atkins” or “balanced eating with exercise”.
They are fat because they have very little self control. No one gets that obese by accident unless they have no mirrors in their house and all of their clothing is extremely elastic so they can’t notice the fact that they’ve gone up 6 sizes in pants.
the fact that they gained all of the weight back and more is proof of that. Even though most bodybuilders gain weight after dieting due to how extreme their dieting process is, it would take completely ignoring your own body to become obese before putting on the breaks.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I like veganists.
With the right wine, jum jum jum…[/quote]
I know two vegetarians at work. They are so frail beyond their years, but in their own eyes they consider themselves the pictures of health. They are lucky they live in nice neighborhoods. The inner city would eat’em up alive.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
What difference does that make? To even follow a certain routine takes some internal drive…a drive most of these people do not have. It doesn’t matter if you call it “atkins” or “balanced eating with exercise”.
They are fat because they have very little self control. No one gets that obese by accident unless they have no mirrors in their house and all of their clothing is extremely elastic so they can’t notice the fact that they’ve gone up 6 sizes in pants.
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I agree. If you look at old photos from the WW II era, people seem to be thin and in relatively good shape. Some blame fast food, fat-free packaging, and soft drinks, etc… for the state of obesity in the U.S. I don’t totally agree with this. But at what point in history did people just quit caring about how they look? When I occasionally go to a Chinese buffet for lunch, it’s like a circus show. It’s truly pathetic. In the end, each person decides what to put in their mouths and how to live their lives.
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
Professor X wrote:
What difference does that make? To even follow a certain routine takes some internal drive…a drive most of these people do not have. It doesn’t matter if you call it “atkins” or “balanced eating with exercise”.
They are fat because they have very little self control. No one gets that obese by accident unless they have no mirrors in their house and all of their clothing is extremely elastic so they can’t notice the fact that they’ve gone up 6 sizes in pants.
I agree. If you look at old photos from the WW II era, people seem to be thin and in relatively good shape. Some blame fast food, fat-free packaging, and soft drinks, etc… for the state of obesity in the U.S. I don’t totally agree with this. But at what point in history did people just quit caring about how they look? When I occasionally go to a Chinese buffet for lunch, it’s like a circus show. It’s truly pathetic. In the end, each person decides what to put in their mouths and how to live their lives.[/quote]
I went to a Golden Corral near here and never saw people quite THAT obese in my life before then. I am not talking about “a little fat”. I mean “waddling, ‘honey can you grab my ass for me, I left it outside’, move the tables back and bring two more chairs…EACH!” kind of obesity. People were loading up plates like there was a national famine and this was the last real meal they would have for months. One HUUUUGE guy walked in with his family…waddled rather…and I heard his much smaller yet still obese wife yell to the kids, “Kids, walk BEHIND your father so you don’t get hurt!” It then took the kids quite while to navigate to the distant dark side of their father as he swayed towards one of the big tables near the window.
I nearly left for fear of losing myself in a sea of adipose…but I was really hungry.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I went to a Golden Corral near here and never saw people quite THAT obese in my life before then. I am not talking about “a little fat”. I mean “waddling, ‘honey can you grab my ass for me, I left it outside’, move the tables back and bring two more chairs…EACH!” kind of obesity. People were loading up plates like there was a national famine and this was the last real meal they would have for months. One HUUUUGE guy walked in with his family…waddled rather…and I heard his much smaller yet still obese wife yell to the kids, “Kids, walk BEHIND your father so you don’t get hurt!” It then took the kids quite while to navigate to the distant dark side of their father as he swayed towards one of the big tables near the window.
I nearly left for fear of losing myself in a sea of adipose…but I was really hungry.[/quote]
That’s hilarious!! I went to a buffet restaurant that had an unmarked booth section for extremely large people. We sat down and our hands barely reached the table. We had to switch seats to a normal table to be comfortable. Amazing.
[quote]deanosumo wrote:
More damaging to me is the fact that he had a heart attack.
Bullshit, he slipped on some ice and cracked his head on the pavement.[/quote]
I didn’t say that he died because of his heart attack, you are right about how he died (slipping on the ice) but he did have a heart attack earlier in his life that was unrelated to his death.
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I went to a Golden Corral near here and never saw people quite THAT obese in my life before then. I am not talking about “a little fat”. I mean “waddling, ‘honey can you grab my ass for me, I left it outside’, move the tables back and bring two more chairs…EACH!” kind of obesity. People were loading up plates like there was a national famine and this was the last real meal they would have for months. One HUUUUGE guy walked in with his family…waddled rather…and I heard his much smaller yet still obese wife yell to the kids, “Kids, walk BEHIND your father so you don’t get hurt!” It then took the kids quite while to navigate to the distant dark side of their father as he swayed towards one of the big tables near the window.
I nearly left for fear of losing myself in a sea of adipose…but I was really hungry.
That’s hilarious!! I went to a buffet restaurant that had an unmarked booth section for extremely large people. We sat down and our hands barely reached the table. We had to switch seats to a normal table to be comfortable. Amazing.[/quote]
Damn and here I was thinking I had lost weight =[
Seriously I have too seen these planets in resturaunts. I have no ill will torwards people who are just fat, but when you have people who would not be able to walk through a one of those metal detectors at the air port…
First, Hi, and welcome to 2 years ago.
Second, PETA is a great source of information regarding diets heavy on meats.
Third, grow the fuck up.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
First, Hi, and welcome to 2 years ago.
Second, PETA is a great source of information regarding diets heavy on meats.
Third, grow the fuck up.[/quote]
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WTF mate
[quote]bboybean wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
First, Hi, and welcome to 2 years ago.
Second, PETA is a great source of information regarding diets heavy on meats.
Third, grow the fuck up.
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WTF mate
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He has a point.
People
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Animals
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
First, Hi, and welcome to 2 years ago.
Second, PETA is a great source of information regarding diets heavy on meats.
Third, grow the fuck up.[/quote]
Hmmm. Please share this information with us.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Second, PETA is a great source of information regarding diets heavy on meats.
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Yes, please enlighten everyone. I can always… excuse me I have the day off today and am finishing up a late breakfast of two petite ribeye steaks, three eggs, hashbrowns, and an ice coffee. Where was I. Oh! I can always use new recipes for cooking meats.
Some of you need to learn what sarcassim is.
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
T234 wrote:
Why? The average person SHOULD be on a low carb diet, and if they actually read the book they would know which carbs were acceptable and which weren’t. I think a lot of idiots just hopped on the diet without reading it, and cut out all carbs including the tiny amount in vegetables, and filled up on bacon…Atkins didn’t say to do this.
A few years ago, at least a dozen heavy co-workers went on the Atkin’s diet. That’s all I heard about for about a year. Today, every single one is heavier than they were when they started this diet.
The good side, I don’t have to listen to any bullshit about how great the Atkin’s diet is. I can’t recall hearing the name for over a year. Everyone want’s the easy quick fix. In my opinion, the best diet is no diet. Eat clean, live clean, and keep your body in motion. It’s that f~ckin’ simple.[/quote]
No diet means you eat nothing. What you should say is the best diet is a balanced diet.
Anyone who doesn’t agree that the atkins diet works, shouldn’t be on a bodybuilding site.
[quote]Coldiron wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
To most people, that IS a diet.
Your right. “No diet” was a poor choice of words. My wrong. [/quote]
This was already brought up. I stand corrected, again.
When did all the fuckin idiots come here.
The PETA comment was obviously sarcasm.
But feel free to list what meat you ate today, it’s totally in my face. Like Poochy the rockin dog. hahahahahahah.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
When did all the fuckin idiots come here.
The PETA comment was obviously sarcasm.
But feel free to list what meat you ate today, it’s totally in my face. Like Poochy the rockin dog. hahahahahahah.
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Fucking idiot here oh grand sultan of sarcasm, I?ll have to turn the meter up a bit ; )
I would love to see a T-Nation interview with PETA so we did actually have someone to argue with about this shit, id love to hear the justification behind some of their ideas.