Atheism-o-Phobia Part 3

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:
Sloth,

I think you should attempt to respond to his points.

I know you can be a prolific typer when it suits you. [/quote]

Frankly I’m tired of this, I’m giving up. He’s not going to respond to them, or if he does he’s going to miss the Forrest for the trees. I don’t care in either case, it’s too exhausting to constantly repeat things, to respond to straw men and red herrings. I’ve presented some facts to start to support a much broader case. There really is no onus on me to get * them* to admit a similarity. The fact is, I think it’s plain that they will deny such unless I present an exact copy - which ironically would not support my case (since I’m not arguing for Christianity copying and pasting).

I’m just looking for clarification on something he said (Zeus) because I don’t get why he’s talking about Zeus in particular. I think he means Apollo with reference to the story I posted. Zeus doesn’t make any sense.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:
Sloth,

I think you should attempt to respond to his points.

I know you can be a prolific typer when it suits you. [/quote]

I have, when he raises them.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:
Sloth,

I think you should attempt to respond to his points.

I know you can be a prolific typer when it suits you. [/quote]

I have, when he raises them.[/quote]

And with this, my point is proven.

Goodluck Sloth. I’d still appreciate an answer to my last question - regarding why you are talking about Zeus instead of Apollo.

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[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m just looking for clarification on something he said (Zeus) because I don’t get why he’s talking about Zeus in particular. I think he means Apollo with reference to the story I posted. Zeus doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

No, I mean Zeus. Apollo IS the father in the story, I’m not saying otherwise. I mentioned Zeus because he has used the form of the serpent (among others) in his lustful escapades. The point here being that the pagan audience would be familiar with such a thing. A transformed god having sex (see the golden Zeus having intercourse, see the serpent that visits Atia).

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I’m just looking for clarification on something he said (Zeus) because I don’t get why he’s talking about Zeus in particular. I think he means Apollo with reference to the story I posted. Zeus doesn’t make any sense.[/quote]

No, I mean Zeus. Apollo IS the father in the story, I’m not saying otherwise. I mentioned Zeus because he has used the form of the serpent (among others) in his lustful escapades. The point here being that the pagan audience would be familiar with such a thing. A transformed god having sex (see the golden Zeus having intercourse, see the serpent that visits Atia). [/quote]

Okay, so you were generalizing.

As to your other point, are you trying to convince me or yourself? You seem to think the Romans were from the 1950’s. Good luck with that. I’m now done with you.

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[quote]Pangloss wrote:
You seem to think the Romans were from the 1950’s. [/quote]

This is why you’re getting the heck out of here. Multiple times you’ve questioned what I know. And, it always seems to happen when you flat out get stuff wrong. You guffawed at the suggestion of Zeus having intercourse transformed…“Does it spurt golden coins when he’s done or something? LOL!”–or, something like that. No, actually, it would be divine semen/seed (pagan idea).

It was ME raising morphed sex into the conversation and you acting like I was reaching, coming up with some silly idea. This, when it would’ve been a damn familiar idea to the pagans. I find it rather bizarre that such a learned man, on this topic, would treat the idea as if I had made some outrageous claim. Since the Danae conversation, it’s been weighing on my mind. “Why, if he’s not just copying and pasting, did he just treat morphed intercourse like a novel idea?”

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

This is why you’re getting the heck out of here. "[/quote]

I cannot believe you don’t get the blindingly obvious. I repeated, and repeated shit I wanted you to specifically address and you now pretend that it’s about something else.

Weak dude, very weak.

I’m not “getting out of here”, I’m just through with you (this post excluded).

You know what, fuck it, pretend I’m doing it for whatever reason that will inflate you ego. I don’t give a damn.

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[quote]Pangloss wrote:
I cannot believe you don’t get the blindingly obvious. I repeated, and repeated shit I wanted you to specifically… [/quote]

You should never use the word “specifically” followed by “address,” if you’re refering to your survey. I told you, feel free to put ‘no’ down at every question, then you can actully bring the arguments you have in mind. At this point though, I’ve gotten bored with your faux scholarship. You’ve made a series of errors in the reading of excerpts, and’ve been suprised at certain pagan ideas when you shouldn’t have been. You refer to huge differences as ‘semantics’ (the demi-god) bit. I’m tired of it, and would love nothing more than enjoy the rest of this day.

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Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?

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[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out.

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[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out. [/quote]

Yeah and other people swoop in talking about some magical wizard up in the sky who will punish you for eternity when you die if you dont believe in him. What’s your point?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out. [/quote]

Yeah and other people swoop in talking about some magical wizard up in the sky who will punish you for eternity when you die if you dont believe in him. What’s your point?[/quote]

You just proved it.

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[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out. [/quote]

Yeah and other people swoop in talking about some magical wizard up in the sky who will punish you for eternity when you die if you dont believe in him. What’s your point?[/quote]

You just proved it.[/quote]

Yeah, sorry. I just got tired, a long while ago, of the religious folk repeating the same thing over and over again, and then pretending that their inability to admit they could be wrong was a sign they were right. I have no incentive to be respectful and fair when your side of the table never is.

Trying to be reasonable and saying something like “I don’t know if there is a god or isn’t, but I’ve never seen convincing reason to believe there is” just gives the stubborn believer a chance to say “Oh yeah, well I KNOW there is a god! See how unsure you are and how sure I am, clearly I’m right! You dont know anything, you just said so!!”

So I just respond in kind. You, Tirib, Chris, want to say unquestioningly that there is a god, I say there is not.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out. [/quote]

Yeah and other people swoop in talking about some magical wizard up in the sky who will punish you for eternity when you die if you dont believe in him. What’s your point?[/quote]

You just proved it.[/quote]

Yeah, sorry. I just got tired, a long while ago, of the religious folk repeating the same thing over and over again, and then pretending that their inability to admit they could be wrong was a sign they were right. I have no incentive to be respectful and fair when your side of the table never is.

Trying to be reasonable and saying something like “I don’t know if there is a god or isn’t, but I’ve never seen convincing reason to believe there is” just gives the stubborn believer a chance to say “Oh yeah, well I KNOW there is a god! See how unsure you are and how sure I am, clearly I’m right! You dont know anything, you just said so!!”

So I just respond in kind. You, Tirib, Chris, want to say unquestioningly that there is a god, I say there is not. [/quote]

Well, I’m sorry if that’s how you’ve taken my approach. That’s definitely not what I meant. I’ve never believed unquestioningly there was a God. I questioned for several years. I still question the validity of the Bible. That’s what led me to research what the Bible actually said versus what archaeology, history, and science can prove. Of course there is no science that can conclusively show everyone God. There are dozens of equations that show that the possiblity for life on this planet are so virtually impossible that even many scientists have at least adopted a belief in a creator.

I don’t see it as my goal to convert anyone to believing in God. That’s up to each individual person. I can hope that I may be able to provide enough evidence that a person does. If, however, at the end of the day he or she still does not believe, I all I can do is respect their ideas and make myself available in the future if they would like further discussion.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]BBriere wrote:
Has this thread really digressed to people debating Greek and Roman pantheisms?[/quote]

I thought it was getting pretty interesting… but, true to form, Sloth managed to frustrate one of our better posters to the point where he no longer wishes to engage. [/quote]

Typical of many of these religious threads. No matter what the topic is, somebody swoops in, claims something along the lines that: religion was invented as mind control, religion has caused all evil in the world, Christianity copied every ancient religion known to man, etc, etc.

Maybe someone should start a thread called objections to religion. Everyone that hates religion can go there. Everyone that doesn’t can stay out. [/quote]

Yeah and other people swoop in talking about some magical wizard up in the sky who will punish you for eternity when you die if you dont believe in him. What’s your point?[/quote]

You just proved it.[/quote]

Yeah, sorry. I just got tired, a long while ago, of the religious folk repeating the same thing over and over again, and then pretending that their inability to admit they could be wrong was a sign they were right. I have no incentive to be respectful and fair when your side of the table never is.

Trying to be reasonable and saying something like “I don’t know if there is a god or isn’t, but I’ve never seen convincing reason to believe there is” just gives the stubborn believer a chance to say “Oh yeah, well I KNOW there is a god! See how unsure you are and how sure I am, clearly I’m right! You dont know anything, you just said so!!”

So I just respond in kind. You, Tirib, Chris, want to say unquestioningly that there is a god, I say there is not. [/quote]

Well, I typed a pretty lengthy response earlier that apparently didn’t go through. Anyway, the gist of it said that I am sorry if you feel I’ve approached you in an arrogant sort of “I know all the answers and you don’t” way. I certainly have never accepted God without some questioning. I didn’t believe in much of anything for about 10 years. It took me a lot of searching and researching to finally come to a conclusion. I don’t try to convert anyone. Not my job and can’t really be done. I only try to offer what I’ve learned or experienced and hope others can get something out of it. Hopefully, whether you choose to believe or not, you can take something positive out of any discussions about God.