Love the way it immediately becomes the problem of the left wing. This is not strictly a left wing issue I fail to see how it could be. Every problem in America “Damn left wingers”. Being so far to one side means you’re bound to get it wrong on certain issues. I generally lean left but on some issues, like this one apparantly I’m a full blown bble bashing right winger.
Private property should never be taken away. I don’t know how they can do it legally.
[quote]Fonebone wrote:
Why did you wait this long?[/quote]
While I support others’ right to arms, I don’t personally own any guns. I don’t hunt, and I haven’t really worried about someone coming after me. I wouldn’t keep a gun by my nightstand, because I don’t trust myself. I’m an advocate of personal responsibility, and part of that is recognizing one’s own weaknesses and faults; I don’t know that I wouldn’t accidentally shoot someone that shouldn’t be shot, were I to keep a handgun next to my bed.
But I realize that our country is changing. You can now be detained indefinitely without trial, and your citizenship can be taken away. They can take your home to make a profit for a corporation. You can be rounded up and forced into a “free speech zone” if the administration doesn’t like your message that day, and threatened with arrest if you don’t comply. Our rights are disappearing, and with all apologies to federal agents that may frequent this board: Stay the fuck away from me. I will NOT be imprisoned without recourse to a lawyer, and I see no reason to trust law enforcement any longer. My father was a cop, and I’ve always respected the police, but who knows, anymore. I will NOT allow someone to steal my home. I love my freedom, I love my country, and I’m willing to do what it takes to protect both of them.
[quote]ConorM wrote:
Love the way it immediately becomes the problem of the left wing. This is not strictly a left wing issue I fail to see how it could be. Every problem in America “Damn left wingers”. Being so far to one side means you’re bound to get it wrong on certain issues. I generally lean left but on some issues, like this one apparantly I’m a full blown bble bashing right winger.
Private property should never be taken away. I don’t know how they can do it legally.[/quote]
It’s a left-winger problem because of the splitvote on the USSC. Liberals are the authors of wealth redistribution. And in this case, they whored out themselves and private property rights for a few more tax dollars in their bank account.
How fitting that our forefathers fled Europe for this very reason, the government taking away individual rights without representation. Yet even though we have moved, the old socialistic values of Europe have followed us here to the US. Just one step closer to the communist society, that has failed in all other countries, yet is pined after in the States. Seems as if the militia groups were right after all.
Now that everyone is all exercised about the state’s forcing someone to sell property so that the benefit can be achieved by someone else… what do you think about the government using tax dollars for wealth re-distribution or for subsidizing businesses? Just curious.
This quote was telling…
[i]Her voice remained soft, even as she described the phone calls coming in from across the country - New York, Kentucky, as far away as Los Angeles - from people offering to come to New London to help Kelo and her neighbors defend their homes from the government.
“They’re talking about bringing guns,” she said, shaking her head. “I don’t think these people know what a nerve they’ve struck. That’s crazy, but it shows how deep this thing goes.”[/i]
Rainjack, I’m not sure it is fair to blame liberals, just because those on the USSC voting this way are generally regarded as liberal.
Supposedly I’m liberal, but this is an extremely retarded ruling. Taking from the poor to help enrich the rich is simple tyranny. The powerless get shafted with government aid? This can’t be liberalism.
Liberals are always out there with their bleeding hearts trying to look after the little guy.
You may have to adjust the political lenses to get a good look at this pig, because it doesn’t seem to fit into the usual pens.
[quote]ConorM wrote:
Private property should never be taken away. I don’t know how they can do it legally.[/quote]
The “takings clause” of the 5th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which reads:
“nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
[quote]vroom wrote:
You may have to adjust the political lenses to get a good look at this pig, because it doesn’t seem to fit into the usual pens.[/quote]
Geez, I agree with vroom (well kinda. lol). I think this decision is particularly difficult to categorize in any particular way. It could be seen as “liberal” in the “government knows best” kind of way or “conservative” in a “big business rules!” kind of way. Here, the “liberals” ruled in a way that will end up favoring ultra-big business (Pfizer) while the “conservatives” (especially Thomas) spoke of how eminent domain most particularly impacts the poor and minority groups.
This is just one that is too tough to pigeonhole… except for that nice little nook that all of would label “SUCKS”.
They have been condemning property for a long time in some cases it may be necessary. Possibly one solution would be for the parties that are condemning the property to have to pay 2 or 3 times the value of said property.
Bank one Ball Park condemned a bunch of houses in a Phx. Slum, to build the park. Most everything went off with out a hitch with the exception of a little old lady that could buy nothing with the value of her property in the slums. So for P.R. sake the powers to be set her up in a condo somewhere . And she lived happily ever after .
Mesa Az. Was going to condemn a mechanics shop that was in business for 35 years . To open an Ace or True Value hardware store . The City said that the taxes generated from the hardware store would far exceed the garage . But the city did bow to public pressure and 60 minutes
They should only “condemn” property that truly needs to be condemned. Not just as a tool to evict tenants because they have commercial designs on it…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Now that everyone is all exercised about the state’s forcing someone to sell property so that the benefit can be achieved by someone else… what do you think about the government using tax dollars for wealth re-distribution or for subsidizing businesses? Just curious.[/quote]
I believe in a strict interpretation of the Constitution, by that I mean government is limited to those functions specifically mentioned in the Constitution. Those functions do not include subsidies,etc…
I think that a truly free-market environment can provide for our wants and needs in a more efficient and effective way.
Also, each of us needs to accept responsability for our lives, and not expect the government to bail us out.
So Education, Social Security, Medicare, etc… is out. But most americans will trade freedom for security, and that is where we stand now. Most want to feed at the government trough .
if our country became what our forefathers fled centuries ago then our generation is the biggest steaming pile of shit to ever live. we can make this stop, we can reverse it, we can do what it takes to provide freedom for our children’s children; but if we dont then we clearly dont deserve freedom.
all my life ive taken an inactive role in politics. not any more.
[quote]nephorm wrote:
I am seriously considering buying some guns. I know others who are, as well. If they want my house to build a Walmart, people will die. I don’t mind saying it.[/quote]
just be sure to get a few that are not registered because one of the last freedoms taken from us will be our registered guns.
I believe the Mayor of Mexico city was placed in jail for building a road on private property to service a hospital. I believe that is why he is having trouble running for President.
[quote]wufwugy wrote:
nephorm wrote:
I am seriously considering buying some guns. I know others who are, as well. If they want my house to build a Walmart, people will die. I don’t mind saying it.
just be sure to get a few that are not registered because one of the last freedoms taken from us will be our registered guns.[/quote]
You should
nephorm wrote:
I am seriously considering buying some guns. I know others who are, as well. If they want my house to build a Walmart, people will die. I don’t mind saying it.
Nephorm, I want you to think about the implications of socalism gone amok. When you see this happening, do you have a little better understanding of the other side of the aisle? Do you understand what we have been fearing? Is it possible that some of the things you may have said or thought about the Republicans may have been a bit hasty?
I am NOT saying “I told you so.”
I AM encouraging better understanding.
JeffR
wufwugy wrote:
"if our country became what our forefathers fled centuries ago then our generation is the biggest steaming pile of shit to ever live. we can make this stop, we can reverse it, we can do what it takes to provide freedom for our children’s children; but if we dont then we clearly dont deserve freedom.
all my life ive taken an inactive role in politics. not any more."
This may be the silver lining to this story.
I wish you strength.
JeffR
Vroom brings up a good point. Some places should be demolished. There is a house up the street from me that hasn’t been inhabited for about 2 years. It was and still is a crack house. The owner moved away, but the crackheads stayed. The house continues to decay from lack of maintanance, and the crackheads continue to hang out and deal there. I would be all for knocking that one down, but the township I live in doesn’t stand to benefit from the expense of tearing it down.
As far as govt. subsidised businesses go, I would like to see our transit system go under. They just completed a three hundred million dollar improvement project, and are now begging for more money and threatening to cut services and raise fares if they can’t get some money from the state. I call that disgustungly poor planning. If they were a private company, they would go out of business and be a good example of what not to do. Instead, it looks like Gov. Rendell is going to give them what they want and the port authority will raise fares anyway.
I am against that.
When I heard this ruling the other day, I stopped in my tracks. This is not an exaggeration. I stopped what I was doing and sat there wondering what has happened to our country. I just read all of the posts here. Any outside observer can see how serious this issue is. How? No one is arguing. Liberal guys and conservative guys and all the guys in between say this is an absolute disgrace and a sure sign of a broken, abusive system. Almost everyone who posts here is a freedom-lover. And these kind of rulings are the downward spiral to the destruction of individual freedom.
Perhaps, since the affirming justices on this ruling are so fond of international law, they contacted North Korea or China for guidance. They certainly didnt read the US Constitution or any of the documents that comprise the 200 + year history of American government. You wont find a basis for this ruling in those places.
The naked, apparent conclusion is we have a council of un-elected kings and queens who drop their rulings on us from on high. Their reasoning is insanity…they dont want to second guess the judgement of local municipalities. As someone who has worked closely with municipal governments, I could testify to hundreds of instances of rampant incompetence and greed.
What scares me is where I could wind up in this whole thing…
As a police officer, a day could come where I have to go to a home, that has been in a family for generations, and tell the people to vacate or be arrested. Why? The mayor wants an ultra revenue generating mall placed there. Screw your family’s home. Then when they dont leave, and maybe even resist with force, I am going to face the possibility of laying my life down for this? A government sanction property theft?
I cant tell you guys how sick I am over this. We have to hold out hope that the state courts have more wisdom than the meglomaniacs in washington.
whatever happened to “checks and balances” this is a propostorous showing of ignorance