Ask Physiolojik Thread

so the way weigh ins work, is that I can weigh in as early as 24 hours in advance of competing (I’ll weigh in at 10am tomorrow.) I have to step on a scale at 181.5 or lower at that point. From there, I do not have to step on a scale again for the competition. So I can weigh anything on the actual day of competing. 24 hours is plenty of time for me to rehyrdate. For many people, there is even a strength rebound effect, when the water cut isn’t too huge. I’ll likely weigh over 200 lbs by the time I’m competing on Saturday. I start rehydrating as soon as I step off the scale tomorrow. I’ll have a couple pedialytes ready to go, lol. Then a lot of salt, a lot of carbs throughout the day, nothing that will upset my stomach. The key is not too eat/drink TOO much right away. You have to spread the calories and hydration out through the 24 hours.

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Nice, good luck man, tell us the results when the comp is over, I’m rooting for you, although you’re the only person I know in this competition, still, gunning for you to win! You could be the next Eddie hall or Brian Shaw, just need to have a sudden growth spurt and grow nearly a foot then put on like 300lbs, but I’m sure that’s achievable! Seriously though good luck, I’m sure you’ve been training like an absolute beast for this comp, world championships are a big deal!

@physioLojik.

  • What made you decide you wanted to be a bodybuilder, with your height and stature you could’ve probably been a good athlete, so what made you choose bodybuilding? most bodybuilders in the top leagues aren’t tall, they’re closer to my height.

  • Was endocrinology/Medicine always your career path, as in was medicine always your goal or did you originally go to university with other ideas in mind

  • What’s your opinion on mesterolone, It isn’t a prescription drug in the USA, however it’s approved where I live to treat androgen deficiency. It doesn’t appear to have any anabolic properties in muscle tissue as it is rapidly broken down into inactive metabolites via the 3b-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme (in muscle tissue), yet it also appears far more androgenic than its so called “rating” suggests, many report an increased sense of well-being and libido on it. (Note I’m not taking proviron nor do I have a reason to, just want to hear your opinion on the drug). Personally I don’t think it’s a suitable candidate for hypogonadism, it’s devoid of anabolic properties, has a paltry oral bioavailability of around 3%, it’s much harsher on the lipids than test (despite it not being c17AA, however it’s non aromatising nature probably plays into its effect on cholesterol), it may be useful for delayed puberty in kids though, if it’s that androgenic (despite paper rating) then it should be able to stimulate masculinizing side effects in underdeveloped children… Althoouughh fluoxymesteorne can do that better, but it’s far more toxic and isn’t approved for use in AUS. It’d also probably be a good cutting/ precontest agent, would probably give a harder/denser appearance. Also doesn’t appear to be effective with regards to treating aplastic anaemia, which might indicate the increase in erythropoiesis caused by AAS might be related to the anabolic properties of anabolic steroids???

@unreal24278 hey brother! Haha good questions.

  1. I never thought I’d be a pro bodybuilder or anything. I grew up playing hockey which is why I work with a lot of NHL guys now. I played hockey in college as well. When I was in high school I weighed 210 at my height so I was still considered a big guy for my sport then. I had posted back in another thread that I went though a really crazy sad situation with an ex and went into a fairly deep depression. My older brother took me to a hardcore gym and announced it was cheaper than therapy and drugs. I was hooked.

  2. always wanted to be a doctor. Originally wanted to go into orthopedics but found endo dramatically More interesting.

  3. I used to really like proviron but don’t agree with its use as a treatment for androgen deficiency. It just lacks the right properties. I would use it in cycles fairly regularly in my late 20s. An old stack I loved back in the day was 500 mg test/ 50 mg winstrol and 50 mg proviron a day. I’ve never been a fan of huge heavy cycles. As a side note the majority of people using exotic or harsh counpounds have zero reason to. Test by itself handles most things most guys need :slight_smile:

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Can’t say I have any experience there, I was kinda running a mild cycle (say 260mgs of hormones weekly) but figured out I actually don’t have the time to go through with it fully before my next set of bloods so I switched to short acting test, either had the option of test prop or TNE, I prefer TNE as test P gives me injection site reactions (not PIP), but red swelling and itchiness, I don’t think it’s a problem with the sterility of the gear, it could be that the product is overdosed and I’m injecting a super saturated solution this causing irritation or it could be my body doesn’t lie propionate ester attached. Currently just fooling around to see what feels best and at the same time getting nice results. I’m currently using… A test E equiv of 265 mg weekly, gaining quite a bit of size, tis fun. Then I’ll come off everything extra and go down to about 150-175mgs/wk or even 200mg (I tend to feel really good at 200mg but not sure how safe it is to run such a dose, would keep me at about 1000ng/DL if I used 200mg) for about 6-8 weeks and then do something. Probably the exact same thing I’m doing now but with long acting test. However I then intend to compete in mid-2019, not sure what I’ll take then but it’ll be something (not trenbolone, 0% chance, seriously not ever touching that if I don’t absolutely have to), probs a low dose of mast or primo with my trt, var is out, and all other orals are out.

Exercise is very therapeutic, I don’t know what i’d do if I couldn’t go to gym again. Keeps anxiety and stress at bay, reeeeaaaallly calms me down. Soz to hear about the depression, depression sucks, and typically people can’t tell you’ve got it until it’s too late and the individual who is depressed has done something stupid or harmful (depending on the severity of the depression), it’s like an invisible illness… Until the stage comes where you won’t get out of bed or go to class or anything (not depressed, but have been legitimately very, very, very depressed in the past, mostly reactive depression)

Went to a local doc, requested a thyroid panel, I got a TSH tested. Came back at .23 His next step was test for antibodies.
Waiting on results. My question is are these two rests enough to make an accurate diagnosis of Hashimotos?
I think he is full of shit!

Wait… WHAT! Thyroid stimulating hormone would be elevated if you had Hashimoto’s. Hashimoto’s is an autoimmune disease, I’m not well educated on it at all but from what I think it is (and/or remember from reading medical textbooks) is that the immune system attacks the thyroid gland therefore production of T3 and T4 is shot to shit. Thyroid Stimulating Hormone is typically low when the thyroid is overactive (hypERthyroidism) HASHIMOTOS would be a cause of (hypOThyroidism) however hyperthyroidism would make sense given the symptoms you have talked about, specifically the catabolic states. A TSH of .23 is reallllllly low. Anyhow good luck, I’m not physiolojik but I’m just curious as to if your doc was seriously thinking Hashimoto’s or not? Maybe my info on what I thought hasimotos did is wrong

We must be reading the same information! It doesn’t sound right to me either. And yes, he seriously thinks it’s Hashimotos.


Doesn’t make sense why he said hashimotos

Its presenting as graves. Not Hashimoto. We would want a full thyroid panel to check T4 T3 but super low TSH is likely graves. @ChickenLittle @unreal24278

Interesting, I’d heard of graves disease but didn’t know particularly what it was, will do some research asap, always interesting to learn about these diseases and/ or disorders, especially endocrine disorders, they’re typically the most fascinating @chickenlittle wish you the best with regards to diagnosis and treatment

Thank you! I pretty much demanded that we check for Graves as well. He thinks it was a waste of money. At least I will know. Pretty sure I will have to go somewhere else to have t3 and t4 checked, he is just not willing to do it.

He was talking about prescribing Levothyroxine. I already have all thiae side effects! No thank you! Lol

I really appreciate your opinion.

I am not sure why either. The only thing I found online that would be related is Hashitoxocis. The labs were supposed to be back yesterday, but he never text, so maybe I will getbthem Monday.
Thank you!

I am on 12.5mg of ibutamoren for two months now and haven’t noticed any difference. I had low IGF-1 which is why Defy medical put me on it. Everything I read stated it’s an amazing thing yet I notice nothing different. Does it take time or does it just not have the same effect on me as everything I read? Oh yeah, I’m also on 200mg test -c since May.

@physioLojik

  • In your opinion, is there a place for anabolics and/or HGH in androgen replacement therapy (note I don’t say testosterone replacement therapy as this would imply the indicated “therapy” is based around replacing testosterone.) For instance, I believe in the USA, stanozolol, oxandrolone, nandrolone, danazol (possibly) oxymetholone, and although it’s still FDA approved, you won’t find anyone filling a script for, being prescribed or any pharmacy making drostanolone, barring their intended purposes, say in the absence of a catabolic state/ muscle wasting diseases like HIV, hereditary angiodema (better treatments for that now anyway), is there any use for them in the realm of anti-aging and/ or rejuvination/ androgen replacement therapies. I don’t know what your attitudes are towards doctors prescribing gear, nor do I need to know however I personally don’t see an issue with it if the patient is well aware of the potential risks, as a matter of fact if people could get their gear legitimately prescribed it would eliminate the risk of unsterile products, counterfeit products (like when UGL primo is actually just low dosed test or eq) and I don’t think gear use, besides potentially tren and some of the harsher compounds for some individuals puts society at risk as no one other than potentially the individual taking these drugs is being put in harms way. I’m curious though if there is, in your opinion, any indicated purpose to which an anabolic steroid besides testosterone can provide beneficial in a therapeutic setting with regards to androgen replacement in the absence of a muscle wasting disease (an example of a non muscle wasting disease would be progressive muscle loss/ sarcopenia related to aging), with HGH what’s your take on HGH for anti-aging benefits, injury recovery and whatnot.

  • What’s your take on fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue/ other similar disorders, there isn’t much consensus as to what causes them, whether they truly exist (like is it a diagnosis of exclusion because the doctor can’t figure out what’s wrong). Do you believe in these conditions? Personally I do, however I think many are diagnosed as an exclusion diagnosis when something else is at stake, quite a few endocrine disorders can commonly be mistaken for CFS, however the amount of people I see who have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, the symptoms appear to be similar, the suffering appears to be severe in some cases, it seems as if these are very real conditions and a cure probably won’t be found for a loooooonnnng time as they aren’t acutely life threatening

Physio… I need some advice on Nandrolone Decanote. For two years I was running 140mg test per week with about .4mg arimadex. I asked my TRT doc if I could add Nandrolone because I wanted a boost in performance. They told me to drop my test to 80mg per week and run 150mg per week Nandrolone. I did this but mistakenly kept running my AI. After 5-6 weeks my body comp was much better, the Nandrolone was starting to add muscle mass and strength however I was developing ED and anxiety. I tested my bloods and my E2 was crashed <5. I immediately stopped the nandrolone and went back to 140mg test per week with no AI. After about 2 months I started to feel normal again but it was hell.

So here I am… I want to run a blast. I seemed to respond well to the Nandrolone and I think my ED problem was likely due to my E2 and not the Nandrolone. I’m thinking of blasting with 600-750mg/ test per week and 100mg Nandrolone to help with joints etc. Do you think I am being stupid and should avoid the Nandrolone or do you think I am right that my problems were likely due to crashed E2 and not the Nandrolone itself.

Thanks

@unreal24278 and @physioLojik

hey guys. slight derail, but I know you probably want to know how this weekend went for me. I’ll be posting more details in my log and maybe a couple other spots.

Overall I finished 4th. I won 2 events and took a 2nd in a 3rd event. I also came in last in 2 events. My log press was 5 lbs off the world record, so to answer unreal’s question, no, the weight cut didn’t cost me any strength. I weighed in EXACTLY where I needed to. I stepped on the scale about a pound and a half over weight at 10am Friday at the weigh in just to see what that particular scale had me at so I wouldn’t cut any more than necessary. Walked back to my room, came back in 30 minutes at the weight I needed to be, and spent the day refueling. I was over 200 lbs when I competed on Saturday (weigh in was exactly 181.8).

It was a hell of a day. I believe I was 2 points or less out of a tie for 2nd. Just 1 or 2 more things going my way would have resulted in a podium finish.

Side note: every other contenstant I was up against puts in many more hours than I do on a weekly basis. Most of them are training 10+ hours per week, and everyone else has to diet to make weight. Meanwhile, I’m over here eating 700+ carbs a day.

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Congratulations on an incredible performance!

Would you be willing to share how you did this?

absolutely. a fucking hot bath or 2 (I think it was 2 this time).

So the process, after I’ve reached the point where I’m not really urinating any more and I’ve cleared as much water as I can that way, is hot baths. Most of what I’ve read has suggested something along the lines of 10 minutes at a time, with 20 minute breaks in between, at the hottest temperature you can stand. Well, I can’t make myself stay in that long. So I do more like 5-7 minutes at a time. It’s just so difficult to stay in, the pressure on my chest gets to me, I feel like I’m suffocating. But when you start this process, each bath will generally take off at least a pound. And you’ll continue to lose weight after you get out because your body is still really hot and you’re sweating like crazy.

One thing I did differently from usual this time was using a lot of fresh towels to really dry myself off good every time I got out of the tub. I went through about 10 towels. I would dry myself off completely after each bath, then lay in bed with a towel wrapped around me, under a bunch of sheets, and try to sweat as long as I could. Once I would stop sweating and my heart rate was closer to normal, it was time for another bath to keep the process moving.

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