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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
My mom works at a Hebrew Academy and I recently went with her there to pick something up. She told me they were very specific in picking their location as it is in a recess behind several hills and cannot be located from any main roads or nearby businesses.

Is this common among Jewish organizations? She also got her job by applying to a blind ad and was unaware it was a Jewish school until the interview. Do Jews have a sort of “survivalist” or “prepper” mentality due to their experiences?[/quote]

Sorry, I missed this. I guess the answer is “yes.” In every Shul, school, whatever, we have to be aware that either an organized group or a lone nut may very well target us for random crime of some kind.

The number one victim of hate crimes in the USA per capita are Jews, by a large margin and there are multiple attacks of various kinds on Jews every year, even in the USA and Europe[/quote]

I fixed “loan” with “lone”.

Edit: Thought Loan was someone the Hebrews did not pay back their loan.
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English as a second language creeps up sometimes. Sorry.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
My mom works at a Hebrew Academy and I recently went with her there to pick something up. She told me they were very specific in picking their location as it is in a recess behind several hills and cannot be located from any main roads or nearby businesses.

Is this common among Jewish organizations? She also got her job by applying to a blind ad and was unaware it was a Jewish school until the interview. Do Jews have a sort of “survivalist” or “prepper” mentality due to their experiences?[/quote]

Sorry, I missed this. I guess the answer is “yes.” In every Shul, school, whatever, we have to be aware that either an organized group or a lone nut may very well target us for random crime of some kind.

The number one victim of hate crimes in the USA per capita are Jews, by a large margin and there are multiple attacks of various kinds on Jews every year, even in the USA and Europe[/quote]

I fixed “loan” with “lone”.

Edit: Thought Loan was someone the Hebrews did not pay back their loan.
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English as a second language creeps up sometimes. Sorry.[/quote]

No Worries my friend.

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]CroatianRage wrote:
My mom works at a Hebrew Academy and I recently went with her there to pick something up. She told me they were very specific in picking their location as it is in a recess behind several hills and cannot be located from any main roads or nearby businesses.

Is this common among Jewish organizations? She also got her job by applying to a blind ad and was unaware it was a Jewish school until the interview. Do Jews have a sort of “survivalist” or “prepper” mentality due to their experiences?[/quote]

Wouldn’t you?[/quote]

Absolutely. I’m just curious. I’ve lived near the school for over 20 years and didn’t know it existed until my mom started working there. I assumed they would have armed security, but they do not. However, they do lock the school down as soon as the day starts.
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I’m guessing that they do have armed security, they just don’t advertise it as such. Good thing about privately-run schools is that they don’t necessarily fall under the purview of “federal gun-free zone” legislation. My guess is that a good number of the staff is armed. [/quote]

We do have armed people, even in places like NYC or Phoenix. In NYC, it’s a couple of armed police officers, in uniform, we hire, plus some non-obvious security. In Phoenix, it’s more likely to be staff members, because the gun laws are not as restrictive.

A Reform Jewish school might not have armed guards, in that they are liberals, and so have irrational fear of weapons. So they depend on stealth and locks. Me, I’m a born Israeli and cleaned my mother and father’s M16s when I was 8 for spending money.

Being hated is just part of being Jewish, sometimes.[/quote]

I’m sure you’re aware of the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, if not actually a member. Actually, I would not be at all surprised if you were personally acquainted with the late Aaron Zelman, considering the circles in which you’ve travelled. He was (and his organization is) a huge opponent of the pacifist leanings of most liberal/reform Jews, going so far as to say that is is just their brand of complacency and appeasement that made the wholesale roundup and extermination of the European Jewry so easy in the previous century.

I was a private math tutor for a while and where I worked there was a Jewish school nearby, so I got lots of that business.

Now, this school was heavily guarded though nothing happened, ever.

I am still not sure, whether that was overkill where decidedly Jewish people moved around freely and had their own kosher shops and whatnot, without being pestered ever, or if I would take no chance with my own kids…

Probably, after 1000-2000 years of heartache I would err on the side of caution.

[quote]orion wrote:
I was a private math tutor for a while and where I worked there was a Jewish school nearby, so I got lots of that business.

Now, this school was heavily guarded though nothing happened, ever.

I am still not sure, whether that was overkill where decidedly Jewish people moved around freely and had their own kosher shops and whatnot, without being pestered ever, or if I would take no chance with my own kids…

Probably, after 1000-2000 years of heartache I would err on the side of caution. [/quote]

I think most Jews would say closer to 3000 years.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
I was a private math tutor for a while and where I worked there was a Jewish school nearby, so I got lots of that business.

Now, this school was heavily guarded though nothing happened, ever.

I am still not sure, whether that was overkill where decidedly Jewish people moved around freely and had their own kosher shops and whatnot, without being pestered ever, or if I would take no chance with my own kids…

Probably, after 1000-2000 years of heartache I would err on the side of caution. [/quote]

I think most Jews would say closer to 3000 years. [/quote]

I prefer the Don McLean cover of the 18th century round of Philip Hayes. But then, I am most assuredly not “hip.”


Are exile and loss universal? Verdi thought so:

(Italiano)

Va, pensiero, sull’ali dorate;
va, ti posa sui clivi, sui colli,
ove olezzano tepide e molli
l’aure dolci del suolo natal!

Del Giordano le rive saluta,
di Sionne le torri atterrate…
O, mia patria, s�¬ bella e perduta!
O, membranza, s�¬ cara e fatal!

Arpa d’or dei fatidici vati,
perch�© muta dal salice pendi?
Le memorie nel petto raccendi,
ci favella del tempo che fu!

O simile di S�²lima ai fati
traggi un suono di crudo lamento,
o t’ispiri il Signore un concento
che ne infonda al patire virt�¹.

(An attempt in English:)

Fly, thought, on wings of gold;
go settle upon the slopes and the hills,
where, soft and mild, the sweet airs
of our native land smell fragrant!

Greet the banks of the Jordan
and Zion’s toppled towers…
Oh, my country, so beautiful and lost!
Oh, remembrance, so dear and so fatal!

Golden harp of the prophetic seers,
why dost thou hang mute upon the willow?
Rekindle our bosom’s memories,
and speak to us of times gone by!

Mindful of the fate of Jerusalem,
give forth a sound of crude lamentation,
or may the Lord inspire you a harmony of voices
which may instill virtue to suffering.

The origin of the Jews hasn’t been dated since the so time of the Greeks, much of it so ridiculous it produces nothing more than a laugh:

British Israelism began with no anti-Simmitism but with Oswald’s onwards the blackshirts became nothing more than a mouthh piece for Hitler.

Basically there IS no evidence that any of the tribes travelled to Britain. A great deal of serious scholarship on the subject of the lost tribes who are almost certainly in the tribal areas controlled by Cyurus. The modern Israeli government have evem acceptabled the ligitacmacy of the Ben-Israeli, Bene-Israeli and Cochin Jews to name a few by DBA evidence. These claims come almost entirely from DNA evidence.

When you think that you have four ancestors, they have 16, they 32 and on exponentially the number of people who know next to nothing about their genetic line. Funny, I always bragged about my Gaulic origins going back at least 9 generations when you come to think of it.

Getting personal, my entire family were killed, my older brother survives with qo with whom I am astranged. He feels he’s entitled to more than 50% and you know bacscically who people are lile. I consider my brother who was recently convicted for fraud. For reasons I can’t explain I would like to know who HE wants of me. He knows I spent my life savings carefully for my mother, cleaning up. helping her on and off the toilet et. Let’s just say I’d do it a thousands of time over. She is the greatest woman I have ever knmown. I spent every day at the hospital whereas my brother went to the police and made statements that I had threatened to kill my mother and so so.

When this failed to work he went to a psychaitric institutiion and had me committed as a dangerous lunatic with delusions, audtiory hallusinations and that he and his defecto wofe fear for their safety. Prior to doing all this he teleponed me and explaimed what he was doing and wjhat he intended tp do next. As my brother’s brain deteriorated he talked her into giving him power of attorney
As the statiom stands I was released uncomnditionally as my brothers; lies became exposed. I was assessed by three psychiaytrsists
who manintaimned that my brother was a patholoicul liar.

Unfortunately I was scheduled at 10:30 at night when the first psychiatrist was unable to asess my claims. After stealing the computer tthat I used for work. Being a foxy kind of guy I backed up most of the material… My brother works at a liqiuor store a K-Mart but he told the police he was a solicitor. I’ve been working comtinualluy since the age of 15 including at the Crown Soliicitors’ Office and DFAT(Deptartment of Foreign Trade._)

After humiliating calls to my boss and family members they agreed with me that he is seriously danger.

The worst past is that while I waw preffaring the house for trade, he was telliing the police I threatesend to daamage the house. As bemefiary my brother his a financial duty to me stipulated in the will. So far I have received absoliutely nothihing except demands from my share for damage and perceived damage.

He filed two identical apprehended violence order which cost me to have anulled.

My only surviving the attacks of my brother is to leave my, courtry. What other options do I have? Contrary breaking the law I have of options and therein lieth the dilemmena of the mam of jommrt. How can I pay for my civil defence that my brother is with holdong from me?

I the book of the brother of Jon and Rashi’s comments have helped me tjhrough this horremdous time.

Excuse the grammar. I have a headacne, I’m drunk and angry.

p.s. This world class DNA testing site says I am Jewish on the matenral line - that is mother’s mother, mother’s mother etc etc No matches on the maternal line.

By the way, I didn’t write to these guys and say ‘am I Jewish?’ I simply asked them my lineage,

[quote]Chushin wrote:
You ok, man?[/quote]

Clearly he was not at the time.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
You ok, man?[/quote]

Clearly he was not at the time.[/quote]

Definitely experiencing some emotional pain and apparently some self medication.
Hope you get through your current troubles soon and with positive resolution, SM
Take care of yourself.
J

I was wondering if Jewish faith was used often to help soldiers of the IDF integrate back into society after long combat missions. I have read that a large portion of the Israeli population has seen combat, and one never hears of PTSD of the IDF (here at least), where as here that is heard very often for soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

I am sorry if this is taboo, disregard if it is.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
You ok, man?[/quote]

Clearly he was not at the time.[/quote]

You’re not wrong there. What was I thinking putting this in JB’s thread. It’s supposed to be my own thread. I’d appreciate it if you could move it to ‘The Ancient Civilisations’ or something like that Mods. And yes, most my family were just wiped out. Please no sympathy of any sort.

I don’t tend to reveal things like that on the net but the anti-depressants the docs gave me and booze had bizarre side effects including dyslexia. Anyway, I feel inclined to do a piece on the Phoenicians: a people of unknown origin(although some scholars allege the Persian Gulf) who we first hear about occupying the valleys of the Eastern slopes of modern Lebanon. A sea faring people they grew rich though trade; their commodities were Lebanese cedar for ship building and a purple die that could be yielded exclusively from a mollusc in their region. This royal purple was particularly valuable as it as used by royalty across the globe, ringing the edge of the toga of every Roma optimatate, or colouring the entire garment of a Roman aristocrat who wished to show he attained to high position.

To the Phoenicians we owe one of the most important innovations in history: writing(they adapted the Egyptian pictogram.) By the time of the Trojan War (1250BE) they had established no less than six powerful city states. The city of Byblos, from where we get the word Bible, was to become the most important city state until Tyre(also a Phoenician state of the Mediterranean) became the most power due to its strategic location and its abundance of skilled masons(and there is ample evidence that they built Solomon’s temple. When Jerusalem was sacked in 70AD the spoils were used to build the Coliseum and Jewish slaves helped build it likely upon the plans of Phoenician and probably Jewish and Greek architects.

When Cyrus the Great conquered the Phoenicians in 539 they were allotted four governors and continued to flourish until the time of Alexander when his army built a mole, sacked the city and sold the residents into slavery. Other Phoenician states continued to flourish such as Carthage. Carthage had an impression agricultural system, a huge navy with a circular military harbour and lastly a huge quantity of slaves from which they suffered rebellions that would make Spartacus look like a riot.

Well that’s enough for now…

EDITED

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:
You ok, man?[/quote]

Clearly he was not at the time.[/quote]

Definitely experiencing some emotional pain and apparently some self medication.
Hope you get through your current troubles soon and with positive resolution, SM
Take care of yourself.
J[/quote]

I don’t experience ‘pain.’ Just a sort of odd sensation that makes me want to…kill. Know what I mean? Thanks man. But please NO more sympathy people.

Alright cool thank you.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]edmontonalberta wrote:
I am sorry if this is taboo, disregard if it is.[/quote]

Highly doubtful.

I think JB has just not been around to see it yet.
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Correct, just busy. Sorry for the tardy reply.

[quote]edmontonalberta wrote:
I was wondering if Jewish faith was used often to help soldiers of the IDF integrate back into society after long combat missions. I have read that a large portion of the Israeli population has seen combat, and one never hears of PTSD of the IDF (here at least), where as here that is heard very often for soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq. [/quote]

This is a very interesting question, and one that is being asked by a lot of people.

For those that don’t know, the rate of PTSD for combat troops in basically every country that studied it (USA, Canada, European nations, Korea, Russia, etc) is about 30%. Very consistent across countries. But in Israel, the PTSD rate is about 1%., and it has been studied since the Yom Kippur war.

So, obviously, everyone is wondering what is the deal?

As a religious Jew, I would love to say the reason is Judaism, but Israel is roughly 50% secular, and the IDF (while it had religious soldiers such as myself) was distinctly secular. And, more importantly, there is little or no difference on PTSD rates between religious soldiers and non-religious. (The religious soldiers do fair better by a rate of .75 to 1.25 or so, but it’s a small overall change compared to IDF soldiers vs. other soldiers.) So I think this miracle has some pretty Earthly reasons behind it.

Here are the guesses that have been hypothezised:

  1. Mandatory conscription results in everyone having very similar experiences. Literally every person you meet; every fellow citizen (excepting arabs who can join the IDF, but it’s not mandatory – many Israeli arabs happily defend Israel) is or was a solider. So there is a massive informal support network in place. You mom is not just your mom, but an ex-soldier.

Same with dad, brothers, sisters, and everyone you went to high school with and work with and everyone you go to Shul with. So having people to talk to and who understand what is going on is not a problem. People already know. I can speak for myself (I was not much of a soldier — a combat engineer – but due to the nature of our wars being in our home, I repeatedly found myself in combat.

  1. We fight for our home. Fighting in some far-off land for reasons that are not exactly clear sucks and makes for an unhappy soldier. Here, we are defending our home from basically two religious sects that have decided we, as a people, must be eradicated from the Earth. This is pretty easy to understand and makes for a motivated soldier.

  2. Being a home war, you can go home. As in, for a while, I was reporting for duty every morning at 5:00 am, but sleeping most nights with my wife and kids at my parents’ home. Again, having that support is key.

  3. The civilians are just as much victims of fighting as you are. Gush Katif, my home growing up, was repeatedly shelled, with the foreign arabs specifically targeting my school or our school busses. So you just get used to a certain level of crap.

  4. Israelis, as a people, are just survivors. Basically all of us have relatives who fled the Nazi death camps, were expelled during the ethnic cleansing in all the Islamic countries of their Jewish populations, survived the Soviet gulags, etc. In order to live through something like that, you have to have a pretty good outlook on life, be it genetic or perhaps religious.

Regardless, we are all descendants of the people who were too damn stubborn to die or had coping skills to become normal people after that sort of thing. I think this carries on.

  1. A key religious prophecy in Judaism is that all the nations of the world will turn against us as a people and that, with G-d’s help, we will survive. Even the non-religious Jews believe this at some level, and the prophecy proves itself out on a weekly basis in the selective outrage from the press and, in particular the UN.

I mean, the arabs in the portions of Judea and Samaria they occupy (or even “Arab East Jerusalem” that is arab only because of mass murder and ethnic cleansing of its Jewish population in the late 1920s) can do horrible things like, say, blowing my wife and unborn son up, but if Israeli bomb harms a purported civilian because Hamas intentionally puts rocket launchers in populated areas, Israel is guilty of war crimes. Not a peep about blowing up families going to market on a bus, however. Anyway, the feeling of “fait accomply” provides a level of “I don’t give a shit anymore” which also helps with PTSD.

Note, none of these are my own ideas. Of the ones I think are most important, I think it’s 1, 2, and 5.