[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Back on topic - does the ostricizing of family members not violate any teachings? Or are some laws/teachings more important than others? I am honestly not trying to start an argument. Like I said before, this is all fascinating to me.
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It’s a highly fact specific thing. I love my sister, no matter what. Now, if she converted and was pushing Scientology on my children, yeah, I’d distance her from my children. If she kept her heresy to herself, that’s a different matter.
It just depends, just like it depends in your family.[/quote]
That makes sense. I didnt know if it was a traditional thing like shunning in some of the odder sects of Christianity or if it was more like ignoring them because they are unhinged from reality. Thanks.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Schwarz- how is it establishing control? Also, I am not aware of any studies that demonstrate that circumsized men somehow have sexual behavioral issues more than uncircumsized. Or that circumsized men report having less enjoyment from sex. Do you have links to any studies (with statistically significant populations and results), or is it conjecture?
Edit- I am circumsized, I know the question will probably come up. It works great, i cant remember it being done to me, I love sex, I am married. Hopefully that gets most of the immediate questions out of the way.[/quote]
Two things:
If an institution/lobby/gang/club can influence an aspect of society that is central or affects everyone in so far that it adds a layer of (be it irrelevant as with cirumc. or important) complexity- it establishes control by definition.
If my gang can pressure most schools to play heavy metal songs during recess I have established influence over your country’s cultural sphere.
In fact, multiple things will occur:
Metal will be more accepted
Metal bands will sell more records and the metal lobby will grow like Arnold during his late teens
there will be studies to back every silly argument (children can concentrate better/worse…)
most debates will not even seriously attempt to touch the core; most critics/lobbyists will rather demand a different music since the concept of silence does not have a lobby.
Secondly:
Do you need lube for performing one armed pushups?
Uncircumsized men don’t.
It might be an adaptation for man’s limitless carnal lusts since apart from the bonobo, there’s no animal more lusty then men.
With puritany at its height, politicians and doctors declared ‘war on masturbation’ and cirumcision was generally accepted as THE method to cure what allegedly shrunk brains.
Other methods included inserting metal shafts through the foreskin, nightly patrols, wearing a rigid nightshift etc.
Stupidity and Pretension knew no bounds.
All medical arguments are downright laughable; if one’s hygienic standards are so high yet a regularly member-washing is out of the question, I can only guess all hair should go, too (lice, ticks and so on).
A ban on McDonald’s (as obesity is THE health problem) seems a complete no-brainer in a world where you can mutilate an organ that is central to men’s identity and sexual fulfilment in the name of statistical irrelevant benefits.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Schwarz- how is it establishing control? Also, I am not aware of any studies that demonstrate that circumsized men somehow have sexual behavioral issues more than uncircumsized. Or that circumsized men report having less enjoyment from sex. Do you have links to any studies (with statistically significant populations and results), or is it conjecture?
Edit- I am circumsized, I know the question will probably come up. It works great, i cant remember it being done to me, I love sex, I am married. Hopefully that gets most of the immediate questions out of the way.[/quote]
Two things:
If an institution/lobby/gang/club can influence an aspect of society that is central or affects everyone in so far that it adds a layer of (be it irrelevant as with cirumc. or important) complexity- it establishes control by definition.
If my gang can pressure most schools to play heavy metal songs during recess I have established influence over your country’s cultural sphere.
In fact, multiple things will occur:
Metal will be more accepted
Metal bands will sell more records and the metal lobby will grow like Arnold during his late teens
there will be studies to back every silly argument (children can concentrate better/worse…)
most debates will not even seriously attempt to touch the core; most critics/lobbyists will rather demand a different music since the concept of silence does not have a lobby.
Secondly:
Do you need lube for performing one armed pushups?
Uncircumsized men don’t.
It might be an adaptation for man’s limitless carnal lusts since apart from the bonobo, there’s no animal more lusty then men.
With puritany at its height, politicians and doctors declared ‘war on masturbation’ and cirumcision was generally accepted as THE method to cure what allegedly shrunk brains.
Other methods included inserting metal shafts through the foreskin, nightly patrols, wearing a rigid nightshift etc.
Stupidity and Pretension knew no bounds.
All medical arguments are downright laughable; if one’s hygienic standards are so high yet a regularly member-washing is out of the question, I can only guess all hair should go, too (lice, ticks and so on).
A ban on McDonald’s (as obesity is THE health problem) seems a complete no-brainer in a world where you can mutilate an organ that is central to men’s identity and sexual fulfilment in the name of statistical irrelevant benefits.
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Jewish grandfather, so grandma demanded I be cut. Most people aren’t even remotely aware of this when they have the procedure. Had nothing to do with your hysterics and conspiracies. Sounds very anti-Semitic to me.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Schwarz- how is it establishing control? Also, I am not aware of any studies that demonstrate that circumsized men somehow have sexual behavioral issues more than uncircumsized. Or that circumsized men report having less enjoyment from sex. Do you have links to any studies (with statistically significant populations and results), or is it conjecture?
Edit- I am circumsized, I know the question will probably come up. It works great, i cant remember it being done to me, I love sex, I am married. Hopefully that gets most of the immediate questions out of the way.[/quote]
Two things:
If an institution/lobby/gang/club can influence an aspect of society that is central or affects everyone in so far that it adds a layer of (be it irrelevant as with cirumc. or important) complexity- it establishes control by definition.
If my gang can pressure most schools to play heavy metal songs during recess I have established influence over your country’s cultural sphere.
In fact, multiple things will occur:
Metal will be more accepted
Metal bands will sell more records and the metal lobby will grow like Arnold during his late teens
there will be studies to back every silly argument (children can concentrate better/worse…)
most debates will not even seriously attempt to touch the core; most critics/lobbyists will rather demand a different music since the concept of silence does not have a lobby.
Secondly:
Do you need lube for performing one armed pushups?
Uncircumsized men don’t.
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Nope. Are you assuming the skin is stretched like a snare drum while erect? It isnt.
I dont know what the evolution of it has to do with anyhting, but if you want to go that route, how do you know it isnt a vestigial structure?
I thought circumsision went further back than Europe. Like all the way back to the Old Testament. I dont get what this has to do with anything.
Your only argument against it is there is supposedly no argument for it. Got it.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Schwarz- how is it establishing control? Also, I am not aware of any studies that demonstrate that circumsized men somehow have sexual behavioral issues more than uncircumsized. Or that circumsized men report having less enjoyment from sex. Do you have links to any studies (with statistically significant populations and results), or is it conjecture?
Edit- I am circumsized, I know the question will probably come up. It works great, i cant remember it being done to me, I love sex, I am married. Hopefully that gets most of the immediate questions out of the way.[/quote]
Two things:
If an institution/lobby/gang/club can influence an aspect of society that is central or affects everyone in so far that it adds a layer of (be it irrelevant as with cirumc. or important) complexity- it establishes control by definition.
If my gang can pressure most schools to play heavy metal songs during recess I have established influence over your country’s cultural sphere.
In fact, multiple things will occur:
Metal will be more accepted
Metal bands will sell more records and the metal lobby will grow like Arnold during his late teens
there will be studies to back every silly argument (children can concentrate better/worse…)
most debates will not even seriously attempt to touch the core; most critics/lobbyists will rather demand a different music since the concept of silence does not have a lobby.
Secondly:
Do you need lube for performing one armed pushups?
Uncircumsized men don’t.
It might be an adaptation for man’s limitless carnal lusts since apart from the bonobo, there’s no animal more lusty then men.
With puritany at its height, politicians and doctors declared ‘war on masturbation’ and cirumcision was generally accepted as THE method to cure what allegedly shrunk brains.
Other methods included inserting metal shafts through the foreskin, nightly patrols, wearing a rigid nightshift etc.
Stupidity and Pretension knew no bounds.
All medical arguments are downright laughable; if one’s hygienic standards are so high yet a regularly member-washing is out of the question, I can only guess all hair should go, too (lice, ticks and so on).
A ban on McDonald’s (as obesity is THE health problem) seems a complete no-brainer in a world where you can mutilate an organ that is central to men’s identity and sexual fulfilment in the name of statistical irrelevant benefits.
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You sure do worry about other men’s penises (peni?) a lot.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Jewish grandfather, so grandma demanded I be cut. Most people aren’t even remotely aware of this when they have the procedure. Had nothing to do with your hysterics and conspiracies. Sounds very anti-Semitic to me. [/quote]
Your low blow would be even better if you invoked Godwin’s law- Or is that already covered since I’m German?
Where do you see a conspiracy? I surely don’t.
Where do you see antisemitism? How about I argue you by calling you a Ku Klux Klan supporter? Does that make sense?
Ironically, Hysteria was a medical term, that, during the period that championed male circumcision, was applied to all sorts of female ailments. Bizarre, often sexual therapies were introduced.
Medical consensus today dispels all of it as quackery.
‘But children don’t feel it’ is a non argument.
If someone sedates you, can he then do as he pleases?
It doesn’t make it better in essence, nor does it properly address numerous other issues.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Jewish grandfather, so grandma demanded I be cut. Most people aren’t even remotely aware of this when they have the procedure. Had nothing to do with your hysterics and conspiracies. Sounds very anti-Semitic to me. [/quote]
Your low blow would be even better if you invoked Godwin’s law- Or is that already covered since I’m German?
Where do you see a conspiracy? I surely don’t.
Where do you see antisemitism? How about I argue you by calling you a Ku Klux Klan supporter? Does that make sense?
Ironically, Hysteria was a medical term, that, during the period that championed male circumcision, was applied to all sorts of female ailments. Bizarre, often sexual therapies were introduced.
Medical consensus today dispels all of it as quackery.
‘But children don’t feel it’ is a non argument.
If someone sedates you, can he then do as he pleases?
It doesn’t make it better in essence, nor does it properly address numerous other issues.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Jewish grandfather, so grandma demanded I be cut. Most people aren’t even remotely aware of this when they have the procedure. Had nothing to do with your hysterics and conspiracies. Sounds very anti-Semitic to me. [/quote]
Your low blow would be even better if you invoked Godwin’s law- Or is that already covered since I’m German?
Where do you see a conspiracy? I surely don’t.
Where do you see antisemitism? How about I argue you by calling you a Ku Klux Klan supporter? Does that make sense?
Ironically, Hysteria was a medical term, that, during the period that championed male circumcision, was applied to all sorts of female ailments. Bizarre, often sexual therapies were introduced.
Medical consensus today dispels all of it as quackery.
‘But children don’t feel it’ is a non argument.
If someone sedates you, can he then do as he pleases?
It doesn’t make it better in essence, nor does it properly address numerous other issues.
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Were you cut as a child? are you jewish? [/quote]
Schwartz’ lover ripped his foreskin in Schwartz’s ass, and he’s been jealous of Jews ever since.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Nope. Are you assuming the skin is stretched like a snare drum while erect? It isnt.
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But you are aware that many, probably the majority of circumsized men do experience quite a number of problems in their sexlife?
Every western country knows special support groups, therapy etc for circumsized men.
On the other, uncircumsized hand, there are no therapies for ‘uncut men’.
It is useful:
Sex is better, masturbation and penetration (demale complaint no1) is easier accomplished, and it’s a dick-protection.
On the other side, where does it get in the way?
You do realize that jews and christians (the majority in north america) weren’t exactly bffs?
Cutting the foreskin wasn’t a christian practice. Quite the opposite.
So why are most men in Usanada cut, then?
Why would modern men care what middle easterners did three thousand years ago?
Do you care what eskimos did thousand years ago?
Even if this would be the only argument, it would be devastatingly convincing.
If not, why not play heavy metal during recess in all schools?
In reality, there are numerous arguments against it.
Here are three:
-it does cost quite a bit of money
-it fails, and when it does so, it is especially tragic for men to grow up impeded for no good reason
-it establishes and entrenches voodoo logic (a god wants to cut your genitalia) in our western societies.
[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:
Nope. Are you assuming the skin is stretched like a snare drum while erect? It isnt.
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But you are aware that many, probably the majority of circumsized men do experience quite a number of problems in their sexlife?
Every western country knows special support groups, therapy etc for circumsized men.
On the other, uncircumsized hand, there are no therapies for ‘uncut men’.
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source? I say the majority of uncircumsised men experience quite a bit of problems in their sex life. Without a source it is meaningless. and a bunch of idiots looking for something to whine about proves nothing. they have support groups for people that dont like fizzy soda for petes sake. Show me some data.
so you know how it feels to be both uncircumcised and circumcised? that is amazing! Again, i am circumcised and have no problems with anything you said. Also, i say sex is better being circumcised.
tradition? i dont know and dont care. you still havent demonstrated that it is somehow about power or domination or control beyond pure conjecture and rambling.
-source? I am finding anywhere from $80-250 US on the googles. not exactly heart stopping.
-source? How often does it fail?
-source?
-Most men in the US are circumcised. What do you think an uncircumcized young boy would feel finding out his genitals are somehow different than everybody elses? The ensuing ridicule and conflicting thoughts cant possibly be good for his development of self and sexual identity.
I will go as far as to put in even more of my own unfounded rambling since that seems to be the theme. I have a lot of women friends. I have stayed friends with many ex-girlfriends. Several have had sex with uncircumcised men. All reported they disliked it.
In other words, you may think its dandy, but your sexual partners may have something different to say about it.
what else ya got?
EDIT: it seems to be a cost effective means of preventing AIDS in Rwanda
It is useful:
Sex is better, masturbation and penetration (demale complaint no1) is easier accomplished, and it’s a dick-protection.
On the other side, where does it get in the way?