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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I found this seriously disturbing, on top of what has already happened…

The Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting the funerals of those killed from Saturday’s shootout.

The church founder, Fred Phelps, posted a video in which he said: “Thank God for the violent shooter, one of your soldier heroes in Tucson. However many are dead, Westboro Baptist church will picket their funerals. We will remind the living you can still repent and obey.”

Fucking disgusting, how about we send some of these protesters to their maker. [/quote]

Well, at least we can agree on this… I’ve stood arm-in-arm with others to provide a human shield against these fucks. [/quote]

Yeah, lots of Knights of Columbus brothers are going down there to keep them away from the ceremonies the next few days.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
Better yet, how about we start caring about everybody, so that we can help them when they start to slip out of reality.[/quote]

Because you can’t care about everyone. Not in any meaningful way.

What you’re talking about isn’t caring, it’s a government imposed mental-health system, where people who haven’t committed crimes will end up held against their will “for their own good”.

I’m sorry, but in a country of over 300 million, in the grand scheme of things, the risk of this type of incident happening one in a blue moon while preserving our freedoms is far better than the types of systemic, draconian system that would have to be in place to prevent the tiny fraction of a percent of the population from doing this stuff.[/quote]
Sorry, I didn’t convey my meaning. I was referring to each individual caring about those they encounter. I don’t want the government to do this as I don’t think they can at all, this is a love your neighbor thing that I am referring to.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

[quote]jakerz96 wrote:
Better yet, how about we start caring about everybody, so that we can help them when they start to slip out of reality.[/quote]

Because you can’t care about everyone. Not in any meaningful way.

What you’re talking about isn’t caring, it’s a government imposed mental-health system, where people who haven’t committed crimes will end up held against their will “for their own good”.

I’m sorry, but in a country of over 300 million, in the grand scheme of things, the risk of this type of incident happening one in a blue moon while preserving our freedoms is far better than the types of systemic, draconian system that would have to be in place to prevent the tiny fraction of a percent of the population from doing this stuff.[/quote]
Sorry, I didn’t convey my meaning. I was referring to each individual caring about those they encounter. I don’t want the government to do this as I don’t think they can at all, this is a love your neighbor thing that I am referring to.

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[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
for anyone blaming Palin, the left, the right, whatever…You are being ludicrous. Nearly everyone is trying to gain political leverage. A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL WAS MURDERED. I get the feeling she wasn’t a registered Democrat or Republican.

Does Sarah Palin rile up people that like guns? Yup. Is she responsible for this tragedy? Nope. How about people on both sides learn a lesson and STOP the partisan bullcrap.

Stop regurgitating the horse shit that the shooter was a Marxist. Lefty liberals see Mein Kampf as a conservative hard liner book so how is it this moron’s favorite book if he’s a liberal? Or why was he spouting liberal horse shit for years if he was a conservative? Maybe you people need some sort of paradigm shift before you go mouthing off on an issue.

This is not a time for finger pointing or placing blame. Because there are 100s of things wrong with America. Some are the fault of government, some are the fault of business, some are the fault of left, and some are the fault of the right. The reason this crap happens is that everyone wants to blame everything on the other guy. We behave as unaccountable self-righteous teenagers and then we wonder why a dystopian mental case shoots people. You wanna solve this problem and make this mean something? Look int he damn mirror, stop watching your political news and reading your political websites for a month and have a simple discussion with people who don’t think like you. Otherwise you’re just part of a continuing problem.

America is a country that has NO political majority. 37% are registered Democrats (half of which are progressives. 34% are Republicans, half of them tea partiers. That’s less than 40% of the electorate who argue one side or the other very fervently.

And God bless you all for the love for this country. But 60% or more of this country doesn’t think Obama is the problem, they don’t think Rush or Beck are the problem, they think WE are the problem.

A month ago a rally 3 times the size of any tea party or progressive rally occurred in DC. It was run by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and was attended by 200,000 people who want the partisanship and bickering to stop. And it’s obvious that most of us haven’t listened.

The divide between us all is so tiny. We’re made to believe it’s wider so candidates can distinguish themselves from the competition, but it’s all overblown salesmanship, not fact.

So get a grip. The rest of the country and most of the world is tired of the sensationalist horse shit. [/quote]

A compelling sentiment… one that I really wanted to share with Stewart and Colbert.

The problem is that in their presentation of it, they place equal blame on both sides of the aisle. The truth is that the right has been infinitely more prone to violent rhetoric at the mainstream margins of their party. I’ll say it again: there is no voice on the left that compares to Beck, Palin, Limabugh, etc…

I appreciate the desire to accept some blame in the passing of the olive branch. It’s admirable, but there is not equal blame.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I found this seriously disturbing, on top of what has already happened…

The Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting the funerals of those killed from Saturday’s shootout.

The church founder, Fred Phelps, posted a video in which he said: “Thank God for the violent shooter, one of your soldier heroes in Tucson. However many are dead, Westboro Baptist church will picket their funerals. We will remind the living you can still repent and obey.”

Fucking disgusting, how about we send some of these protesters to their maker. [/quote]

Well, at least we can agree on this… I’ve stood arm-in-arm with others to provide a human shield against these fucks. [/quote]

Yeah, lots of Knights of Columbus brothers are going down there to keep them away from the ceremonies the next few days.[/quote]

Damn… I wish I had the means and the time to get over there…

Anyone want to carpool from Dallas?

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Some real sanity from stewart. legit. watch past the bad oliver skit.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I found this seriously disturbing, on top of what has already happened…

The Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting the funerals of those killed from Saturday’s shootout.

The church founder, Fred Phelps, posted a video in which he said: “Thank God for the violent shooter, one of your soldier heroes in Tucson. However many are dead, Westboro Baptist church will picket their funerals. We will remind the living you can still repent and obey.”

Fucking disgusting, how about we send some of these protesters to their maker. [/quote]

Westboro Baptist = Occult? I didn’t know.[/quote]

Did I say it was the occult? Did I even use the word 'occult" in my post? For fuck’s sake man, come on. You are better than this.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:
A video of President Obama suggesting that his supporters address the issue of healthcare with people they know… “get up in their face and argue if you have to…”

That’s what you’ve got??

Oh, right… you also have a single statement made by a poster on Daily Kos… not even someone on their staff, but a poster who said that Gifford was “dead to him.” Never mind that this poster pulled the post off voluntarily in the wake of the incident, perceiving it as inappropriate, and nobody at Daily Kos touched it.

You’re seriously a bunch of delusional motherfuckers.

Nobody here has attempted to link the shooter with any party. What HAS been said is that the political climate has become so hostile that it provides a venue for maniacs like Laughtner.

Equivocate away all you want, but it’s just plainly obvious that there is nothing like the punditry of the right on the left… nobody with the same audience or reach… nobody anywhere near the mainstream.

What’s really pathetic is that these asshats won’t even own their rhetoric. They shield themselves behind obfuscation and never have to take responsibility for their behavior.

Radio Rwanda anyone?[/quote]

I was about to rip you a new ass, until you finally got what I was getting at by posting that video.

How can he sit there and say, “Stop the rhetoric” when he is guilty of it himself? That goes for the rest of the worthless politicians too. People have used harsh language against Palin, Obama, Pelosi, Bush, pretty much any outpsoken person in the White House.

How about we get pissed at the unhinged people who are off their rocker and decide to do stupid shit in the first place?

[/quote]

Sorry. You’re wrong.

You can’t even come close to comparing “get in their faces” with “lock and load.”

[/quote]

Absolutely correct, both sides have used the phrases like, “going to battle,” “brutal assault,” or “targeting legislators.” But heaven forbid the POTUS says something remotely close to get his bullshit law passed.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

You can’t even come close to comparing “get in their faces” with “lock and load.”
[/quote]

Like it matters? It’s called free speech I wouldn’t wabt any wacko lefty’s making some idiotic law which takes it away.

I suppose John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln because of hate speech. What an asinine argument to even have.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
for anyone blaming Palin, the left, the right, whatever…You are being ludicrous. Nearly everyone is trying to gain political leverage. A NINE YEAR OLD GIRL WAS MURDERED. I get the feeling she wasn’t a registered Democrat or Republican.

Does Sarah Palin rile up people that like guns? Yup. Is she responsible for this tragedy? Nope. How about people on both sides learn a lesson and STOP the partisan bullcrap.

Stop regurgitating the horse shit that the shooter was a Marxist. Lefty liberals see Mein Kampf as a conservative hard liner book so how is it this moron’s favorite book if he’s a liberal? Or why was he spouting liberal horse shit for years if he was a conservative? Maybe you people need some sort of paradigm shift before you go mouthing off on an issue.

This is not a time for finger pointing or placing blame. Because there are 100s of things wrong with America. Some are the fault of government, some are the fault of business, some are the fault of left, and some are the fault of the right. The reason this crap happens is that everyone wants to blame everything on the other guy. We behave as unaccountable self-righteous teenagers and then we wonder why a dystopian mental case shoots people. You wanna solve this problem and make this mean something? Look int he damn mirror, stop watching your political news and reading your political websites for a month and have a simple discussion with people who don’t think like you. Otherwise you’re just part of a continuing problem.

America is a country that has NO political majority. 37% are registered Democrats (half of which are progressives. 34% are Republicans, half of them tea partiers. That’s less than 40% of the electorate who argue one side or the other very fervently.

And God bless you all for the love for this country. But 60% or more of this country doesn’t think Obama is the problem, they don’t think Rush or Beck are the problem, they think WE are the problem.

A month ago a rally 3 times the size of any tea party or progressive rally occurred in DC. It was run by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and was attended by 200,000 people who want the partisanship and bickering to stop. And it’s obvious that most of us haven’t listened.

The divide between us all is so tiny. We’re made to believe it’s wider so candidates can distinguish themselves from the competition, but it’s all overblown salesmanship, not fact.

So get a grip. The rest of the country and most of the world is tired of the sensationalist horse shit. �¯�»�¿[/quote]

A compelling sentiment… one that I really wanted to share with Stewart and Colbert.

The problem is that in their presentation of it, they place equal blame on both sides of the aisle. The truth is that the right has been infinitely more prone to violent rhetoric at the mainstream margins of their party. I’ll say it again: there is no voice on the left that compares to Beck, Palin, Limabugh, etc…

I appreciate the desire to accept some blame in the passing of the olive branch. It’s admirable, but there is not equal blame. [/quote]

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Mugshot released[/quote]

Looks like Fester Adams’ ever scarier brother.[/quote]

How weird is it that he shaved off his eyebrows?

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I found this seriously disturbing, on top of what has already happened…

The Westboro Baptist Church plans on protesting the funerals of those killed from Saturday’s shootout.

The church founder, Fred Phelps, posted a video in which he said: “Thank God for the violent shooter, one of your soldier heroes in Tucson. However many are dead, Westboro Baptist church will picket their funerals. We will remind the living you can still repent and obey.”

Fucking disgusting, how about we send some of these protesters to their maker. [/quote]

Westboro Baptist = Occult? I didn’t know.[/quote]

Did I say it was the occult? Did I even use the word 'occult" in my post? For fuck’s sake man, come on. You are better than this. [/quote]

I’m not talking about you, I’m talking about that Westboro Baptist Church is rooting for a member of the Occult.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans. [/quote]

First off, you don’t know what my party affiliation is or how I vote. I’ll give you a hint, though. I’m definitely in the minority.

Second, speculation about what a left-wing pundit, given a sizable audience would do is just that… speculation. I will give you this - it raises an interesting question about the nature of the problem: is it the team or the crowd?

Third, election results of the last twenty years don’t provide evidence of either liberals or conservatives being in either a minority or a majority.

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[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans. [/quote]

First off, you don’t know what my party affiliation is or how I vote. I’ll give you a hint, though. I’m definitely in the minority.

Second, speculation about what a left-wing pundit, given a sizable audience would do is just that… speculation. I will give you this - it raises an interesting question about the nature of the problem: is it the team or the crowd?

Third, election results of the last twenty years don’t provide evidence of either liberals or conservatives being in either a minority or a majority.

[/quote]

You are right, I don’t know how you vote however I have seen enough of your non sense to know which side of the fence you are on, the main point isn’t directed at you as much as it is towards conservatives. I won’t say you are liberal, don’t really care if you are, but the majority of America isn’t. Most people think gov. is too big, most people want less gov. I think these are conservative stances.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans. [/quote]

First off, you don’t know what my party affiliation is or how I vote. I’ll give you a hint, though. I’m definitely in the minority.

Second, speculation about what a left-wing pundit, given a sizable audience would do is just that… speculation. I will give you this - it raises an interesting question about the nature of the problem: is it the team or the crowd?

Third, election results of the last twenty years don’t provide evidence of either liberals or conservatives being in either a minority or a majority.

[/quote]

You are right, I don’t know how you vote however I have seen enough of your non sense to know which side of the fence you are on, the main point isn’t directed at you as much as it is towards conservatives. I won’t say you are liberal, don’t really care if you are, but the majority of America isn’t. Most people think gov. is too big, most people want less gov. I think these are conservative stances.

[/quote]

Most people… According to what survey…? Or this just your opinion based on the people immediately surrounding you? Besides, republicans are doing plenty to increase the federal government too, just in different ways.

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans. [/quote]

First off, you don’t know what my party affiliation is or how I vote. I’ll give you a hint, though. I’m definitely in the minority.

Second, speculation about what a left-wing pundit, given a sizable audience would do is just that… speculation. I will give you this - it raises an interesting question about the nature of the problem: is it the team or the crowd?

Third, election results of the last twenty years don’t provide evidence of either liberals or conservatives being in either a minority or a majority.

[/quote]

You are right, I don’t know how you vote however I have seen enough of your non sense to know which side of the fence you are on, the main point isn’t directed at you as much as it is towards conservatives. I won’t say you are liberal, don’t really care if you are, but the majority of America isn’t. Most people think gov. is too big, most people want less gov. I think these are conservative stances.

[/quote]

Most people… According to what survey…? Or this just your opinion based on the people immediately surrounding you? Besides, republicans are doing plenty to increase the federal government too, just in different ways. [/quote]

I shouldn’t have to do your research lazy ass, but here

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2607611/polls_find_58_want_smaller_government.html?cat=9

now go ahead and find something to bitch about. Face it most want less gov. but I know you will post some liberal bullshit poll about wanting more gov. go for it, after all you have freedom of speech, something which most of your homeboys want taken away…

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[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]swoleupinya wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

I have heard the Left call Tea Party People racist rednecks, xenophobes, homophobes, astroturf, Tea Baggers since their creation. Then the Fort Hood Shooter was accused of being a Tea Party Member, only to be found a Muslim extremist. Then the NYC bomber, same thing, again to be found to be a Muslim extremist. Then Left media groups tried yet again to pin this shooter as a Tea Party Member, yet again there is no evidence.

You are 0-3 amigo. [/quote]

Who?

Who is “the Left?”

What person with a mainstream audience in the millions said these things?

And, which of these things that you’ve mentioned is comparable to constant attacks on the very legitimacy of our government, followed by vague innuendo about revolution?

And, you should pay better attention. I am not at all attempting to link Loughner with any party. I am stating the obvious fact that the nature of our public, political discourse is providing a venue for the violent venting of this kind of rage. [/quote]

Here we go with bullshit. Liberals, like it or not are a fucking minority, so yeah the comparison isn’t going to wash out perfectly. Just because no liberal has a “mainstream audience” like Glen Beck doesn’t make it ok for them to fucking spout the same bullshit you are accusing the right of doing. Let’s flip it, if Keith Olberman had the same following as Beck do you really think he wouldn’t act like the same asshole?

I partly blame conservatives for this mess, mainly because we need to quit giving a shit what you fucking bleeding hearts think. YOU ARE IN THE FUCKING MINORITY. Most of the US wants less Gov. deal with it. Fucking sick of your small ass base acting like you represent the majority of Americans. [/quote]

First off, you don’t know what my party affiliation is or how I vote. I’ll give you a hint, though. I’m definitely in the minority.

Second, speculation about what a left-wing pundit, given a sizable audience would do is just that… speculation. I will give you this - it raises an interesting question about the nature of the problem: is it the team or the crowd?

Third, election results of the last twenty years don’t provide evidence of either liberals or conservatives being in either a minority or a majority.

[/quote]

You are right, I don’t know how you vote however I have seen enough of your non sense to know which side of the fence you are on, the main point isn’t directed at you as much as it is towards conservatives. I won’t say you are liberal, don’t really care if you are, but the majority of America isn’t. Most people think gov. is too big, most people want less gov. I think these are conservative stances.

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Most people… According to what survey…? Or this just your opinion based on the people immediately surrounding you? Besides, republicans are doing plenty to increase the federal government too, just in different ways. [/quote]

and to boot, most on here hate repubs too, or are you selective in you reading. I fucking hate big gov. repub or dem… the post office is shit, dmv is shit, etc. I don’t give a fuck for a rep. just because they aren’t dem. I hate big gov. too much money lost in red tape. So go ahead and call me a republican tea baggin fag even tho it isn’t true. Most of you shits will bitch about Bush, Palin, etc. fucking who the fuck ever else fits your agenda without actually listening to what i say. I hate big gov. no matter dem. rep. or fucking whatever else. I hate it, big gov. isn’t the answer so quit trying to tie everyone to the rep. party. That is a lazy way out.

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So at this very moment people are leaning a little more towards the right. So what? The way the public opinion shifts has been pretty dynamic that past few decades. Give it a few years and it’ll be back to the left.

And both sides use the ‘we’re the people’s party’ type mantra. It’s politics the way it’s been for a long time, get used to it.

If I had it my way, we’d have something different than the 2 party system we currently have.