[quote]tom63 wrote:
Not true, knife wounds on average are as lethal as pistol wounds. And it’s probably easier to knife someone within contact distance, or as easy as shooting someone.
Believe it or not. The average police officer hits at a 20% rate in all pistol shootings, regardless of distance. Private citizens fare about the same.
Knives are very, very nasty.
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Hence the saying, “Don’t bring a gun to a knife fight.”
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Not true, knife wounds on average are as lethal as pistol wounds. And it’s probably easier to knife someone within contact distance, or as easy as shooting someone.
Believe it or not. The average police officer hits at a 20% rate in all pistol shootings, regardless of distance. Private citizens fare about the same.
Knives are very, very nasty.
Hence the saying, “Don’t bring a gun to a knife fight.”[/quote]
And vice versa. If I was going to a gun fight, I would bring a rifle, not a pistol. And stay about 200+ yards from a pistol.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Magnate wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Knifing someone is infinitely harder and much less likely to be lethal.
Stab twice? If you want them dead and you’ve already stabbed them once they will be dead if you decide to follow through. Same with if you shoot them once, hit them with a car once, etc etc etc.
Err… getting a knife out of a concealed place on your body is one heck of a lot harder than taking out a gun.[/quote]
No, it really isn’t.
Stabbing someone in the side can be done in one motion, taking the knife out and thrusting with it, assuming a close distance. Seems pretty fucking easy. Same goes with almost anything, if someone wants to kill you they will find a way, bullet or not.
Then again I haven’t fired a pistol much, only own 2 rifles.
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[quote]Magnate wrote:
own 2 rifles.
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You do?! How do you manage to control the sudden freak urge to shoot someone when you get pissed?
[quote]Defekt wrote:
My point was that if anyone in that store had a gun, not nearly as many people would have died. I probably should have written that. [/quote]
Yes, it was too important not to be specific about it…Susanna Hupp would agree…
Yeah, generally its a good idea to write out your main point.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
I’m all for guns to protect the home, but without special circumstances, carry in public is generally a bad idea.
Spoken like a true New Yorker. How much gun crime is commited by a properly licensed concealed carry permit holder. Virtually none.
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You, Sir, know whereof you speak…Notice that gunphobes continue to push this bankrupt argument against CCW, when the facts consistently disprove it?. CCW=Less crime, period, end of story!..
[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Magnate wrote:
own 2 rifles.
You do?! How do you manage to control the sudden freak urge to shoot someone when you get pissed?[/quote]
I don’t. And if you open the door to my basement you’ll join the rest of them.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
Here’s an evaluation of McCain on the 2nd Amendment:
Beowolf wrote:
Nice slippery slope argument.[/quote]
And a valid concern in our system:
Of the candidates, McCain is the best by far on the 2nd Amendment.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Of the candidates, McCain is the best by far on the 2nd Amendment.[/quote]
Unfortunately, that’s not saying much.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Of the candidates, McCain is the best by far on the 2nd Amendment.
Unfortunately, that’s not saying much.
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True, also, why is it when you produce good , solid information, do liberals just get quiet? Is it that they really don’t know what they’re talking about?
For anyone interested why knives are so dangerous, check out the video, surviving edged weapons attacks. It will open you eyes.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
True, also, why is it when you produce good , solid information, do liberals just get quiet? Is it that they really don’t know what they’re talking about?
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Maybe because they never bothered to learn about guns and knives.
Here’s some recent critique of the 21 Foot Rule (Tueller Rule). In summary, 21 feet is too close.
http://www.policeone.com/columnists_internal.asp?view=94340&vid=102828
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Of the candidates, McCain is the best by far on the 2nd Amendment.
Unfortunately, that’s not saying much.
True, also, why is it when you produce good , solid information, do liberals just get quiet? Is it that they really don’t know what they’re talking about?
For anyone interested why knives are so dangerous, check out the video, surviving edged weapons attacks. It will open you eyes.
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Why should they care about the facts? It’s a fantasy world they’re interested in.
[quote]Blacksnake wrote:
Loose Tool wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
I’m all for guns to protect the home, but without special circumstances, carry in public is generally a bad idea.
Spoken like a true New Yorker. How much gun crime is commited by a properly licensed concealed carry permit holder. Virtually none.
You, Sir, know whereof you speak…Notice that gunphobes continue to push this bankrupt argument against CCW, when the facts consistently disprove it?. CCW=Less crime, period, end of story!..
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Special circumstances = Permit Holder. Sorry I didn’t make that clear. I’m against no-restriction.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Special circumstances = Permit Holder. Sorry I didn’t make that clear. I’m against no-restriction.[/quote]
I don’t know anyone who is for no-restriction. In my state you have to take a class and apply for the permit to carry concealed, and to own a handgun you have to pass a background check. Law abiding citizens can legally carry, convicted felons can’t. That seems like the ideal system to me.
Any other restrictions on the rights of a law-abiding citizen to defend himself would only serve to make the anti-gun nuts happy. They would not make society any safer.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
I’m against no-restriction.[/quote]
I think we can all agree on that.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
tom63 wrote:
True, also, why is it when you produce good , solid information, do liberals just get quiet? Is it that they really don’t know what they’re talking about?
Maybe because they never bothered to learn about guns and knives.
Here’s some recent critique of the 21 Foot Rule (Tueller Rule). In summary, 21 feet is too close.
http://www.policeone.com/columnists_internal.asp?view=94340&vid=102828
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Excellent article, it’s what I’ve always believed. The 21 ft thing is just a guideline.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Here’s an evaluation of McCain on the 2nd Amendment:
Although I appreciate McCain’s reluctance to ban “assault weapons” (in quotes for reasons that most of us realize) hardly anything in the 2nd Amendment debate pisses me off more than ANYONE, including McCain, redirecting the argument towards “hunting”.
The 2nd has absolutely nothing to do with “hunting” unless in the context of hunting tyranny and inflicting a lethal wound in IT. It has nothing to do with plinking. It has nothing to do with recreation.
This is why John McCain despite his exemplary sacrifice for his country and his comrades in Nam is just another brain dead dupe when it comes to the Constitution, the document that he will swear to uphold when he takes the oath of office.
Grinds my fuckin gears! [Peter Griffin][/quote]
I’d agree, it ain’t about duck hunting!
[quote]Magnate wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
I’m against no-restriction.
I think we can all agree on that.[/quote]
I know four NRA members who believe the right to carry a rifle and or hand gun in public is guaranteed.