[quote]rainjack wrote:
Not if you have nothing of value to trade with, and you are hungry.
Not if party A is in possession of a strategic piece of land, and party B wants it more than party A does.
Please. You have been lecturing me for the last couple of days about my ability to construct a logical argument - and you post this kind of crap?
[/quote]
That is because you are illogical. What does it matter that someone has something you want? You may be strong enough to take it the first time but why should you? Does that also not open you up to being attacked again and again? It doesn’t take much to see that violence just begets more violence.
You do not understand the meaning of necessity. Violence is not necessary. If you think that violence is a necessity and you deny someone an attack on your person because they want what you have then you have made a self-contradiction.
Production, trade, cooperation – those are necessary.
[quote]pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[/quote]
The same conditions apply. Need does not necessitate violence anymore than want.
Is it right to go to war for oil because we need it. It would be better for everyone if we traded for it. Human existence necessitates cooperation. Violence is contrary to that.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
The same conditions apply. Need does not necessitate violence anymore than want.
Is it right to go to war for oil because we need it. It would be better for everyone if we traded for it. Human existence necessitates cooperation. Violence is contrary to that.[/quote]
But that is simply not true.
That is only true if I plan for you to be around much longer and to deal with you over and over again.
In the short run, it would probably be better for me to kill you, take your wife, children and livestock and everything else I can carry away.
The Mongols for example behaved perfectly rational. They were far better off by not trading, at least in the beginning.
[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The same conditions apply. Need does not necessitate violence anymore than want.[/quote]
There’s an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere. It produces just enough food and fresh water to feed two adults and a kid.
You’re taking a nice vacation cruise when the boat capsizes and sinks. You, your wife and your kid end up on the island, along with another identically composed family of three.
Please explain the trading/cooperative process by which you choose which three people will have to die.
[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
orion wrote:
pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
What does it matter that someone has something you want?
Something you want? Fuck something you want. Try it with something you need.
[quote]pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The same conditions apply. Need does not necessitate violence anymore than want.
There’s an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere. It produces just enough food and fresh water to feed two adults and a kid.
You’re taking a nice vacation cruise when the boat capsizes and sinks. You, your wife and your kid end up on the island, along with another identically composed family of three.
Please explain the trading/cooperative process by which you choose which three people will have to die.
[/quote]
[quote]pookie wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
The same conditions apply. Need does not necessitate violence anymore than want.
There’s an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere. It produces just enough food and fresh water to feed two adults and a kid.
You’re taking a nice vacation cruise when the boat capsizes and sinks. You, your wife and your kid end up on the island, along with another identically composed family of three.
Please explain the trading/cooperative process by which you choose which three people will have to die.
[/quote]
[quote]pookie wrote:
There’s an island in the middle of the ocean somewhere. It produces just enough food and fresh water to feed two adults and a kid.
…
Please explain the trading/cooperative process by which you choose which three people will have to die.
[/quote]
Survival is still a cooperative effort.
Nature may only produce enough to keep a certain number of people alive but the productive capabilities of man trump nature – agriculture, industrialization!
Eventually everyone dies if they cannot produce food – just because it exists doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be produced first. Killing someone only helps preserve resources in the short run.
Cooperation would still be better because maybe someone can fish and the others can produce potable water, for example. If I kill someone to keep more for myself I in fact end up depriving myself of more water or fish in the long.
More hands mean more productivity. I am rational enough know I would be better off with someone’s help than their dead body I might be able to eat for a few days.