so all you anti-grain folk… would you also be anti-rice?
ik its a grain but it does not contain gluten and is usually not as harped against as wheat
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]plateau wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
what would you use as a measuring stick as to whether grains are suited for you or not? [/quote]
I use muscle testing on my subjects. With it, I can test for strong, neutral or weak responses associated with any foodstuff, supplement, drug or even PED.
BBB[/quote]
I must admit I am a little skeptical with this muscle testing.[/quote]
I can guarantee you are not as skeptical as I was when first shown it.
However proof is in the pudding and I have made enough ‘puddings’ to know (for myself) that what I’m eating is real.
Come and see me and I’ll take you through a session for free. See if it convinces you.
BBB[/quote]
What is muscle testing?
[quote]Mouldsie wrote:
so all you anti-grain folk… would you also be anti-rice?
ik its a grain but it does not contain gluten and is usually not as harped against as wheat
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Quinoa FTW.
Agreed…some may respond well to grains, but MOST would so much better on the paleo diet with some non paleo carbs such as rice, quinoa etc.
Besides, think about where grains are stored prior to process-silos…one side of the wheat grain has a deep groove in it. That deep groove collects microbes and dirt that makes it impossible for the whole grain to be completely cleaned. Insects, mice, and host of other rodents live in these silos, so there is plenty of time for the grain to be laced with hair, urine, and droppings by the time it reaches the mill.
The above info is from Poliquin who explains a couple great reasons to stay away from grains.
GJ
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Agreed…some may respond well to grains, but MOST would so much better on the paleo diet with some non paleo carbs such as rice, quinoa etc.
Besides, think about where grains are stored prior to process-silos…one side of the wheat grain has a deep groove in it. That deep groove collects microbes and dirt that makes it impossible for the whole grain to be completely cleaned. Insects, mice, and host of other rodents live in these silos, so there is plenty of time for the grain to be laced with hair, urine, and droppings by the time it reaches the mill.
The above info is from Poliquin who explains a couple great reasons to stay away from grains.
GJ[/quote]
So you’re saying most hard training athletes and people who carry more than 175 lbs of muscle mass at average height would do better eating a lower-carb, paleo diet?
Show me some examples of those who are “doing better”.
Citing Loliquin as a sources is pretty rich, too.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Agreed…some may respond well to grains, but MOST would so much better on the paleo diet with some non paleo carbs such as rice, quinoa etc.
Besides, think about where grains are stored prior to process-silos…one side of the wheat grain has a deep groove in it. That deep groove collects microbes and dirt that makes it impossible for the whole grain to be completely cleaned. Insects, mice, and host of other rodents live in these silos, so there is plenty of time for the grain to be laced with hair, urine, and droppings by the time it reaches the mill.
The above info is from Poliquin who explains a couple great reasons to stay away from grains.
GJ[/quote]
So you’re saying most hard training athletes and people who carry more than 175 lbs of muscle mass at average height would do better eating a lower-carb, paleo diet?
Show me some examples of those who are “doing better”.
Citing Loliquin as a sources is pretty rich, too.[/quote]
MANY people do not handle grains well and eating grains, wheat or any allergen for that matter simply lead to gastrointenstinal issues, further stressing the body and holding them back from absorbtion of key nutrients = less gains and optimal health etc.
Anyway, I did NOT say serious hard training athletes should be on low carbs paleo diet…As far as I understand, sweet potatoes, fruit etc fall into the paleo non neo carb categorie and would be a great source on carbohydrate for athletes…this as well as a fast digesting source around workout time such as maltodextrin etc. You can certainly make BETTER choices when it come to carbohydrate sources…
GJ
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
MANY people do not handle grains well and eating grains, wheat or any allergen for that matter simply lead to gastrointenstinal issues[/quote]
Define “MANY” please. Unless you have some statistical data to show us, this amounts to talking out of your ass.
How many? Exactly what percentage of the population is “many”? I’ll be interested in reviewing the data you post.
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Agreed…some may respond well to grains, but MOST would so much better on the paleo diet with some non paleo carbs such as rice, quinoa etc.
Besides, think about where grains are stored prior to process-silos…one side of the wheat grain has a deep groove in it. That deep groove collects microbes and dirt that makes it impossible for the whole grain to be completely cleaned. Insects, mice, and host of other rodents live in these silos, so there is plenty of time for the grain to be laced with hair, urine, and droppings by the time it reaches the mill.
The above info is from Poliquin who explains a couple great reasons to stay away from grains.
GJ[/quote]
So you’re saying most hard training athletes and people who carry more than 175 lbs of muscle mass at average height would do better eating a lower-carb, paleo diet?
Show me some examples of those who are “doing better”.
Citing Loliquin as a sources is pretty rich, too.[/quote]
MANY people do not handle grains well and eating grains, wheat or any allergen for that matter simply lead to gastrointenstinal issues, further stressing the body and holding them back from absorbtion of key nutrients = less gains and optimal health etc.
Anyway, I did NOT say serious hard training athletes should be on low carbs paleo diet…As far as I understand, sweet potatoes, fruit etc fall into the paleo non neo carb categorie and would be a great source on carbohydrate for athletes…this as well as a fast digesting source around workout time such as maltodextrin etc. You can certainly make BETTER choices when it come to carbohydrate sources…
GJ[/quote]
Show me these MANY people with real gluten intolerances. Not people like the guy in the other thread who thinks he’s gluten intolerant because he got gas when he ate 6 slices of ezekiel bread and the 30g of fiber that comes with it.
Here’s the thing, paleo cultists can’t even agree on what carbs are allowable. Fruit is to be eaten extremely sparingly for some, others eat it far more frequently. Starchy tubers are off limits sometimes, other times they aren’t. Quinoa is supposedly ok because it’s a actually seed, but someone forgot to tell the paleos that all grains are technically seeds. By the way, explain to me exactly how maltodextrin is at all “paleo”…it’s fucking hydrolyzed corn starch. You can’t make the statement “X is definitely bad for you” when you can’t even define what X is.
Some people do have legitimate gluten intolerances. Those people have Celiac disease and can die from eating gluten. Chances are, unless your immune system is attacking your lower intestines and causing you excruciating pain and diarrhea when you eat with utensils that have come into contact with gluten recently, then chances are, you don’t have an issue with gluten.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Some people do have legitimate gluten intolerances. Those people have Celiac disease and can die from eating gluten. Chances are, unless your immune system is attacking your lower intestines and causing you excruciating pain and diarrhea when you eat with utensils that have come into contact with gluten recently, then chances are, you don’t have an issue with gluten.[/quote]
I’ve came in contact with no less than a dozen people who had the symptoms, and denied having the intolerance, because the doctor said so. Elimination of gluten, symptoms gone.
A friend I went fishing with for a few years told me about his wife’s “issues”. Been to a dozen specialists, had multiple operations (including a hysterectomy), no help. Due to symptoms described, I explained eliminating gluten. 2 days later, she had her first solid bowel movement in 11 years! Mild depression and lethargy, gone!
Many people don’t experience Excruciating pain or diarrhea until they get full blown celiac disease. Symptoms of an intolerance can be much less pronounced, and may not exhibit severe symptoms for many years (as is the case in my ma-in-laws entire family).
many people simply refuse to trade their life of convenience (foods) for better health and well-being!
Just my 2 cents!
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
a dozen people[/quote]
Solid epidemiological data right there.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
a dozen people[/quote]
Solid epidemiological data right there.[/quote]
Did I suggest it was?
I was simply stating that many people deny having the issue, despite the obvious!
Re read my post. I was simply pointing to the fact that many people just don’t want to chance their habits.
Relax!
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
a dozen people[/quote]
Solid epidemiological data right there.[/quote]
Lol… n = 12.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]plateau wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
what would you use as a measuring stick as to whether grains are suited for you or not? [/quote]
I use muscle testing on my subjects. With it, I can test for strong, neutral or weak responses associated with any foodstuff, supplement, drug or even PED.
BBB[/quote]
I must admit I am a little skeptical with this muscle testing.[/quote]
I can guarantee you are not as skeptical as I was when first shown it.
However proof is in the pudding and I have made enough ‘puddings’ to know (for myself) that what I’m eating is real.
Come and see me and I’ll take you through a session for free. See if it convinces you.
BBB[/quote]
Very generous of you to offer that, would like to take you up on that sometime.
Glad to see you’re posting again.
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Your second point is also fairly short sighted as 100,000 years is a drop in the bucket on a planet that is 3500 million years old.
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10000 years or approximately 500 generations is plenty of time for selective pressures to operate on a population and fixate genes. How many generations do you think it took Western Europeans to develop resistance to plague?..
Paleo-Guru websites present human evolution in a biased manner to bolster their own arguments. It is not based in science, but “common sense.”
[quote]elih8er wrote:
[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
Your second point is also fairly short sighted as 100,000 years is a drop in the bucket on a planet that is 3500 million years old.
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10000 years or approximately 500 generations is plenty of time for selective pressures to operate on a population and fixate genes. How many generations do you think it took Western Europeans to develop resistance to plague?..
Paleo-Guru websites present human evolution in a biased manner to bolster their own arguments. It is not based in science, but “common sense.”[/quote]
You forgot a zero there, he thinks ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS is minuscule in the scope of microevolution.
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
[quote]Alex Stoddard wrote:
a dozen people[/quote]
Solid epidemiological data right there.[/quote]
Did I suggest it was?
I was simply stating that many people deny having the issue, despite the obvious!
Re read my post. I was simply pointing to the fact that many people just don’t want to chance their habits.
Relax!
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Dont bother. Had you said “I’ve known a dozen people who thought they had a gluten allergy but didn’t”, he’d be patting you on the back for being so wise.
Don’t you have some tinfoil hats to make?
well like 50,000 years ago there was 2 species of man living on the earth (neanderthal + homo sapien) and homo sapien was chillin in africa and black and could run like 30 mph and slam dunk + freestyle like u wouldnt believe.
shortly thereafter white people lived in caves and lost the ability to slam dunk and asians developed slanty eyes and superior math skills. Eskimos hopped up into the arctic and developed mitochondria to let them become stocky space heaters that live on seal blubber pretty much exlusively.
So its not like evolution stands still in 10k-100k type order of magnitude time frames.
I think the ability to live on a foodstuff as abundant as seeds would definitely have some kind of positive selection pressure vs guys who were thawing out of their wooly mammoth hunting diet in the last ice age.
Then again, eating grass and photosynethesis would be nifty tricks too and we cant pull those off.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Considering that actual evolutionary biologists (people who actually study the evolutionary past of humans instead of writing blogs about whatever wacky evolutionary justification they’ve come up with for their own rationalizations) are demonstrating evidence of directional selection in the human genome within the past 15,000 years, I would say 100,000 is entirely significant.
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EXACTLY my grievance that I’ve been expressing for the past month and in my “Not Meant to Eat?” thread over and over and OVER again - people with no formal training in biology, anthropology, history, nutrition, or medicine saying the most outrageous shit!
Does anyone here remember when Koresh wrote on T-mag he has a cure for some cancers?!
The fitness and “nutrition” (quote used for reasons we all know) scenes are now slime infested jungles!