[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
A CEO has much more “value” then the widget-market employee. The CEOs goal is to increase profits and share-prices. If they do, they are awarded millions. The CEO creates jobs. The employee creates widgets.
Not equal. [/quote]
some CEO do as you say , some just create profit for them self
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
A CEO has much more “value” then the widget-market employee. The CEOs goal is to increase profits and share-prices. If they do, they are awarded millions. The CEO creates jobs. The employee creates widgets.
Not equal. [/quote]
some CEO do as you say , some just create profit for them self
[/quote]
It’s impossible to create profit just for oneself. Even the greediest, scummiest, slimiest CEO’s inherently create profit for a great many other people in their quest to get as much money for themselves as possible. In fact, ironically, the greedier the CEO, the more profit he usually creates for other people in the process. It’s not as if he actually cares about them, but it just happens as a result of getting himself to where he wants to be. So I mean, regardless of the motive, the end result does leave a lot of profitable people in that CEO’s wake.
[quote]csulli wrote:
It’s impossible to create profit just for oneself. [/quote]
WHAT ? REALLY ? I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money . Yeah maybe some of the other or all the other Officers made a killing too . But the Corp went down in FLAMES all the same
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
made a shit load of money
[/quote]
bingo
That money went somewhere. Maybe not to his employees, but indirectly it did something. Brokers, financial planners, CPA’s, lawyers, his boat salesman, his realtor, etc etc.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
WHAT ? REALLY ? I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money . Yeah maybe some of the other or all the other Officers made a killing too . But the Corp went down in FLAMES all the same
[/quote]
You might be able to find cases in which a CEO was paid a large salary, with the consent of the rest of the shareholders, while running a corporation into the ground, but that’s it. Complacency on the part of the shareholders is bad in every corporation, not just the most powerful one.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
made a shit load of money
[/quote]
bingo
That money went somewhere. Maybe not to his employees, but indirectly it did something. Brokers, financial planners, CPA’s, lawyers, his boat salesman, his realtor, etc etc.[/quote]
eye roll
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
WorldCom and Enron, maybe, but even then, that was fraud and people were punished, rules were changed.
Otherwise this doesn’t, as I expected, prove his point at all.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
A CEO has much more “value” then the widget-market employee. The CEOs goal is to increase profits and share-prices. If they do, they are awarded millions. The CEO creates jobs. The employee creates widgets.
Not equal. [/quote]
some CEO do as you say , some just create profit for them self
[/quote]
The board of directors appoint the CEO. Their goal is to drive the stock price. They do this mostly by profits and earnings. So.
If said CEO increases profits, which drive up the stock, and all the employees with profit sharing plans/bonuses/401ks end up increasing their nesteggs… How does profit figure then?
The widget maker’s 401k is now double what he did have, enabling him to retire earlier. This is due maybe because the CEO made some solid decisions in navigating his company. It’s NOT due to the employee making more widgets then his neighbor. It might give him a raise, but if everyone is more productive… I’d agree it’s the culture and the environment the CEO created to be more productive.
Who wins then? BOTH
And… that’s why companies exist.
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
What do you not understand about this?[/quote]
Why you and Pitt refuse to address half the facts, and only focus on the half that supports your opinion.
Pitt openly admitted in the other thread about this that he is ignoring facts, and you have consistently only mentioned one side’s story. Why anyone capable of critical thought would do this is beyond me…[/quote]
Actually I have been reading the Israeli papers far more than any of the Palestinian stuff. For example where did I get the idea that Israel started the recent attack on Gaza? The Times of Israel. Where did I get the idea the Israeli prime minister will not accept a two state solution? The Times of Israel. As far as I know this is not a Hamas backing publication.
In fact in the “This is Israel” thead that I started I posted the opinions of a couple of Israeli MKs. The fact that their opinions are not savoury is not my fault.[/quote]
<----- My Point
You ------>
Nevermind. [/quote]
I’ve also stated that I don’t like Hamas and that some of their leadership should face trial…[/quote]
So you don’t like the Palestinian Government? Because that what Hamas is. How do you propose that they stand trial? The Palestinian govt and police are Hamas so they aren’t going to turn them over. Maybe then they should just attack those that are responsible for random acts of violence, like killing three teens? But then the elected government of Palestine starts lobbing rockets at you. So you end up with a war where the militants are purposefully fighting from civilian positions to increase collateral damage so that they might can win a propaganda war because they no they cant win a real war or even put up much of a fight. That is at least until the blockade is lifted and they can spend the UN’s money on Turkish and Iranian weapons. [/quote]
I also said that many in the Israeli government should stand trial. And many of the IDF should be there as well. The nature of Hamas does not change the right of the cause that they are fighting for.
OH and the venue? Why not the Hague? That is where war criminals are generally supposed to be tried.[/quote]
By that standard, the US should stand trial and ALL of the countries in the EU should stand trial… We (the US) dropped a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed MILLIONS more women and children than the Jews have killed Palestinians. And European/British countries bombed the shit out of each other CONCENTRATING on civilian populations…
It’s called WAR…
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
What do you not understand about this?[/quote]
Why you and Pitt refuse to address half the facts, and only focus on the half that supports your opinion.
Pitt openly admitted in the other thread about this that he is ignoring facts, and you have consistently only mentioned one side’s story. Why anyone capable of critical thought would do this is beyond me…[/quote]
Actually I have been reading the Israeli papers far more than any of the Palestinian stuff. For example where did I get the idea that Israel started the recent attack on Gaza? The Times of Israel. Where did I get the idea the Israeli prime minister will not accept a two state solution? The Times of Israel. As far as I know this is not a Hamas backing publication.
In fact in the “This is Israel” thead that I started I posted the opinions of a couple of Israeli MKs. The fact that their opinions are not savoury is not my fault.[/quote]
<----- My Point
You ------>
Nevermind. [/quote]
I’ve also stated that I don’t like Hamas and that some of their leadership should face trial…[/quote]
So you don’t like the Palestinian Government? Because that what Hamas is. How do you propose that they stand trial? The Palestinian govt and police are Hamas so they aren’t going to turn them over. Maybe then they should just attack those that are responsible for random acts of violence, like killing three teens? But then the elected government of Palestine starts lobbing rockets at you. So you end up with a war where the militants are purposefully fighting from civilian positions to increase collateral damage so that they might can win a propaganda war because they no they cant win a real war or even put up much of a fight. That is at least until the blockade is lifted and they can spend the UN’s money on Turkish and Iranian weapons. [/quote]
I also said that many in the Israeli government should stand trial. And many of the IDF should be there as well. The nature of Hamas does not change the right of the cause that they are fighting for.
OH and the venue? Why not the Hague? That is where war criminals are generally supposed to be tried.[/quote]
By that standard, the US should stand trial and ALL of the countries in the EU should stand trial… We (the US) dropped a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed MILLIONS more women and children than the Jews have killed Palestinians. And European/British countries bombed the shit out of each other CONCENTRATING on civilian populations…
It’s called WAR…[/quote]
Actually the 2 bombs killed 180,000 people.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
Every one of those CEOs were making big money , now if one of them were earning minimum wage please let me know
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]lou21 wrote:
What do you not understand about this?[/quote]
Why you and Pitt refuse to address half the facts, and only focus on the half that supports your opinion.
Pitt openly admitted in the other thread about this that he is ignoring facts, and you have consistently only mentioned one side’s story. Why anyone capable of critical thought would do this is beyond me…[/quote]
Actually I have been reading the Israeli papers far more than any of the Palestinian stuff. For example where did I get the idea that Israel started the recent attack on Gaza? The Times of Israel. Where did I get the idea the Israeli prime minister will not accept a two state solution? The Times of Israel. As far as I know this is not a Hamas backing publication.
In fact in the “This is Israel” thead that I started I posted the opinions of a couple of Israeli MKs. The fact that their opinions are not savoury is not my fault.[/quote]
<----- My Point
You ------>
Nevermind. [/quote]
I’ve also stated that I don’t like Hamas and that some of their leadership should face trial…[/quote]
So you don’t like the Palestinian Government? Because that what Hamas is. How do you propose that they stand trial? The Palestinian govt and police are Hamas so they aren’t going to turn them over. Maybe then they should just attack those that are responsible for random acts of violence, like killing three teens? But then the elected government of Palestine starts lobbing rockets at you. So you end up with a war where the militants are purposefully fighting from civilian positions to increase collateral damage so that they might can win a propaganda war because they no they cant win a real war or even put up much of a fight. That is at least until the blockade is lifted and they can spend the UN’s money on Turkish and Iranian weapons. [/quote]
I also said that many in the Israeli government should stand trial. And many of the IDF should be there as well. The nature of Hamas does not change the right of the cause that they are fighting for.
OH and the venue? Why not the Hague? That is where war criminals are generally supposed to be tried.[/quote]
By that standard, the US should stand trial and ALL of the countries in the EU should stand trial… We (the US) dropped a bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki that killed MILLIONS more women and children than the Jews have killed Palestinians. And European/British countries bombed the shit out of each other CONCENTRATING on civilian populations…
It’s called WAR…[/quote]
Actually the 2 bombs killed 180,000 people.[/quote]
Which is about 178,500 less than we killed, so my point still stands… (thank you, Mr. “fact police”! LOL)
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
Every one of those CEOs were making big money , now if one of them were earning minimum wage please let me know [/quote]
lmao… So in your simple world unless the company makes gangbusters profits (which you bitch and moan about) they are “running it into the ground”.
You’re clown shoes must be extra tight these days.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
Every one of those CEOs were making big money , now if one of them were earning minimum wage please let me know [/quote]
Lol, okay… smh
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
Every one of those CEOs were making big money , now if one of them were earning minimum wage please let me know [/quote]
lmao… So in your simple world unless the company makes gangbusters profits (which you bitch and moan about) they are “running it into the ground”.
You’re clown shoes must be extra tight these days. [/quote]
I agree my world is pretty straight forward , not a lot of smoke and mirrors like accounting .
My point was it does not matter whether a Corporation makes profit or not . That CEO will be adequately compensated
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I could go case after case where a CEO has ran the Corp into the ground while all the while made a shit load of money [/quote]
Feel free to do so.
We’ll be waiting. [/quote]
may be 9 out of 11
[/quote]
How does this prove your point?[/quote]
Every one of those CEOs were making big money , now if one of them were earning minimum wage please let me know [/quote]
Lol, okay… smh[/quote]
lmsyh
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I agree my world is pretty straight forward , not a lot of smoke and mirrors like accounting .[/quote]
You haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about, but this is typical for you.
You mean he gets paid like every single other employee of the company, before debtors and the government?
Shocking!
Those evil 1%'s think they get equal treatment under the law, how absurd.