Arab Owned Ports?

[quote]JeffR wrote:
Bigflamer:

Please allow me to post the most important paragraphs (remember democrats think in VERY SMALL soundbites. They need to be countered with VERY SMALL soundbites)

"Among Arab nations, we have no better friends than the United Arab Emirates. The government (which owns Dubai Ports World) sponsors a U.S. Air Force base, services U.S. Navy warships and is assisting in our efforts to shut down terrorist funding. (Dubai is the banking, and consequently the money laundering, center of the Gulf.)

Unlike Saudi Arabia, the UAE is a modern, tolerant country. The British Financial Times describes it as “the Singapore of the Gulf.” The UAE is what we wish every Arab country were like. But we will not make more friends in the Arab world if we treat the friends we have as if they were enemies."

Read it dems/pseudo-Republicans/people running for President.

Think about the message we are sending with all this hot air.

JeffR[/quote]

Listen up “comrade”. It’s WAY too late to win the hearts and minds of the Arabs. I think this port deal is a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenerio.

Allowing this to go through WILL NOT CHANGE ARAB PUBLIC OPINION OF THE U.S. ONE IOTA.

If you cared at all about our relationship with Arabs, you would have voted for Kerry or Nader.

New Poll–Bush Support Among Arab Americans Tumbles
Pacific News Service, Aug 26, 2004
“I haven’t seen [support] this low from any one group in the United States,” says pollster Sergio Bendixen.

The poll shows Arab Americans now support Kerry by a three- to-one margin. Almost half (49 percent) of the 273 Arab American registered voters say they will vote for Kerry, 16 percent support Bush and 14 percent prefer Nader, who is Arab American. By contrast, in 2000 Arab American voters chose Bush over Democrat Al Gore by a margin of 46 percent to 38 percent, according to pollster James Zogby.

While your trying to polish the turd that is Iraq, Bush has gone in the opposite direction on one of THE most important issues to Arab opinion toward the US – and that is a more balanced approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Only recently has the Iraq war become a bigger source of anti-American resentment.

You guys continue to ignore the Israeli/Palestinian conflict as if it’s a side issue – or should I say a one-sided issue. Actually you do ignore it, unless it’s to call Palestine a terrorist state.

Arab opinion of America is getting WORSE, not better. This port deal might be a good idea but it’s at the wrong time, and it won’t mean diddly-squat toward changing Arab opinion of us.

Arab opinion of U.S. still low
Former ambassador: America’s standing is worse than ever four years after 9/11
2/18/05
The United States’ standing in Arab public opinion is always going to be low, according to Martin Indyk, former U.S. ambassador to Israel.

Indyk said the image of the United States in the Arab street has plunged even lower in the past four “post-9/11” years, as President Bush has walked away from the Arab-Israeli conflict and simply “stood back” in a hands-off approach

“We are the hegemon and we are the superpower,” he said. “For that reason, we’ll always generate some level of antagonism.”

Indyk laid out some of the reasons behind Arab hatred toward the United States, saying that double standards or “Arab exceptionalism” in U.S. policy has compounded existing feelings of hatred, which stemmed from centuries of humiliation.

He discussed U.S. double standards such as promoting democracy and freedom while supporting authoritarian regimes, and a push to disarm Iraq while leaving Israel fully armed.
http://www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/paper244/news/2005/02/18/News/Arab-Opinion.Of.U.s.Still.Low-869780.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.dailyutahchronicle.com

Zogby Poll Reveals Poor Arab Opinion of U.S. Policies
The results suggested that in all six countries, public opinion towards the United States has worsened since the last poll taken in April 2002. The highest approval came from Lebanon where 20% polled view the United States favorably. The lowest was Egypt, where only 2% see the U.S. favorably.

At least 75% of respondents cited foreign policy as the basis of their attitudes. Those polled seemed especially disappointed with American policy in Iraq and in the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

In each country except Saudi Arabia, a majority cited “American policy toward the Arab-Israeli dispute” as “very important” and in Saudi Arabia, 81% saw it as either “important” or “very important.”
http://www.cnionline.org/eyeondc/reports/zogby-poll.htm

Arab Opinion Hardens towards U.S Middle East Policy
In the UAE the ratio was three out of four whilst in Egypt and Saudi Arabia 85 percent and 89 percent of those surveyed viewed the U.S unfavourably. Lebanon was the only country where opinion towards the U.S had significantly improved.
http://www.dogmanet.org/0029jan06_global11.htm

[quote]JeffR wrote:
DeskJockey wrote:
"Wow, it’s a good thing you’ve gathered all this stuff about the holocaust and have those digital pictures ready to roll… that’s normal.

Wow."

I am laughing out loud!!!

Keep up the good work, DJ.

JeffR
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Yet the facts remain…

Uh-oh. What to do? What to do?

ROCK - BUSH - HARDPLACE

ADL to U.S.: Freeze seaport contract with UAE due to Israel boycott
By Shlomo Shamir, Haaretz Correspondent, and The Associated Press
01/03/2006
The Anti-Defamation League is demanding the American administration prevent a Dubai-owned corporation from operating seaports in the United States until the United Arab Emirates issues an official statement indicating it has abandoned the boycott of Israel.

“Dubai continues to be an active partner in the economic boycott of Israel,” ADL Director Abraham Foxman told Haaretz on Tuesday.

This fact alone is reason enough to suspend or even cancel the implementation of the contract [for the operation of the seaports],” Foxman said.

"For decades, the United States has been a leader in the fight against the economic boycott of Israel… Dubai, an adherent to this boycott, should not benefit from America’s open trade policy.

“There are many complex issues involved in this deal and many serious debates are going on around the country regarding port security and process. Aside from these considerations, if Dubai continues its anti-Israel activity, it must be grounds for the cancellation of the deal.”
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/688591.html

Gee I wonder why everyone in DC banded together to oppose the deal?

More than 100 members of Congress visited Israel in 2005
In his summary to the Israeli Cabinet this week on relations with the United States, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said 23 U.S. senators and 80 members of the U.S. House of Representatives visited Israel last year, some multiple times.

“The legislative branch has maintained its unique and long-standing status as a stronghold of support for Israel, transcending party lines and Congressional houses,” he said
http://tinyurl.com/lexsh

The Finest Senate That Money Can Buy
After the Israeli lobby in the US grants a Congress member $100,000 such a member will never dream of backing a motion which contravenes the interests of the government of Israel.
http://www.amenusa.org/aipac17.htm

So I wonder who Bush will decide to piss off? But more importantly, if you think the deal should go through – you must hate Jews…

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
But more importantly, if you think the deal should go through – you must hate Jews…
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Yeah, that’s it, I bet people who approve of the deal all hate Jews.

In fact, I bet you could have some good Holocaust-denial discussions with them.

Maybe we should let the United Arab Emirate control the president’s Secret Service detail? After all, we don’t want to hurt their feelings. They’ve been a valuable U.S. ally for over three long years now. All of their terrorism and Bin Laden connections are so 2001.

I can’t wait for Bush’s Republican toadies in Congress to put their votes on the record, in plenty of time before the November election. Hoisted by their own petards… 70% of Americans are against the deal, talk about a party who is out of touch…

Yet another reason this should not happen:

It is against U.S. law.

Dubai Ports World Enforces Boycott of Israel

According to the Jerusalem Post, Dubai Ports World, the firm that is poised to control major US seaports, participates in and enforces the Arab boycott of Israel?and US law forbids such cooperation: Exclusive: Dubai ports firm enforces Israel boycott. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

The parent company of a Dubai-based firm at the center of a political storm in the US over the purchase of American ports participates in the Arab boycott against Israel, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

The firm, Dubai Ports World, is seeking control over six major US ports, including those in New York, Miami, Philadelphia and Baltimore. It is entirely owned by the Government of Dubai via a holding company called the Ports, Customs and Free Zone Corporation (PCZC), which consists of the Dubai Port Authority, the Dubai Customs Department and the Jebel Ali Free Zone Area.

?Yes, of course the boycott is still in place and is still enforced,? Muhammad Rashid a-Din, a staff member of the Dubai Customs Department?s Office for the Boycott of Israel, told the Post in a telephone interview. ?If a product contained even some components that were made in Israel, and you wanted to import it to Dubai, it would be a problem,? he said.

A-Din noted that while the head office for the anti-Israel boycott sits in Damascus, he and his fellow staff members are paid employees of the Dubai Customs Department, which is a division of the PCZC, the same Dubai government-owned entity that runs Dubai Ports World.

Moreover, the Post found that the website for Dubai?s Jebel Ali Free Zone Area, which is also part of the PCZC, advises importers that they will need to comply with the terms of the boycott.

In a section entitled ?Frequently Asked Questions?, the site lists six documents that are required in order to clear an item through the Dubai Customs Department. One of them, called a ?Certificate of Origin,? ?is used by customs to confirm the country of origin and needs to be seen by the office which ensures any trade boycotts are enforced,? according to the website.

A-Din of the Israel boycott office confirmed that his office examines certificates of origin as a means of verifying whether a product originated in the Jewish state.

On at least three separate occasions last year, the Post has learned, companies were fined by the US government?s Office of Anti-boycott Compliance, an arm of the Commerce Department, on charges connected to boycott-related requests they had received from the Government of Dubai.

US law bars firms from complying with such requests or cooperating with attempts by Arab governments to boycott Israel.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Yet another reason this should not happen:

It is against U.S. law.

Dubai Ports World Enforces Boycott of Israel

According to the Jerusalem Post, Dubai Ports World, the firm that is poised to control major US seaports, participates in and enforces the Arab boycott of Israel?and US law forbids such cooperation: Exclusive: Dubai ports firm enforces Israel boycott. (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

The parent company of a Dubai-based firm at the center of a political storm in the US over the purchase of American ports participates in the Arab boycott against Israel, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

The firm, Dubai Ports World, is seeking control over six major US ports, including those in New York, Miami, Philadelphia and Baltimore. It is entirely owned by the Government of Dubai via a holding company called the Ports, Customs and Free Zone Corporation (PCZC), which consists of the Dubai Port Authority, the Dubai Customs Department and the Jebel Ali Free Zone Area.

?Yes, of course the boycott is still in place and is still enforced,? Muhammad Rashid a-Din, a staff member of the Dubai Customs Department?s Office for the Boycott of Israel, told the Post in a telephone interview. ?If a product contained even some components that were made in Israel, and you wanted to import it to Dubai, it would be a problem,? he said.

A-Din noted that while the head office for the anti-Israel boycott sits in Damascus, he and his fellow staff members are paid employees of the Dubai Customs Department, which is a division of the PCZC, the same Dubai government-owned entity that runs Dubai Ports World.

Moreover, the Post found that the website for Dubai?s Jebel Ali Free Zone Area, which is also part of the PCZC, advises importers that they will need to comply with the terms of the boycott.

In a section entitled ?Frequently Asked Questions?, the site lists six documents that are required in order to clear an item through the Dubai Customs Department. One of them, called a ?Certificate of Origin,? ?is used by customs to confirm the country of origin and needs to be seen by the office which ensures any trade boycotts are enforced,? according to the website.

A-Din of the Israel boycott office confirmed that his office examines certificates of origin as a means of verifying whether a product originated in the Jewish state.

On at least three separate occasions last year, the Post has learned, companies were fined by the US government?s Office of Anti-boycott Compliance, an arm of the Commerce Department, on charges connected to boycott-related requests they had received from the Government of Dubai.

US law bars firms from complying with such requests or cooperating with attempts by Arab governments to boycott Israel.

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Interesting.

[quote]US law bars firms from complying with such requests or cooperating with attempts by Arab governments to boycott Israel.

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I don’t get it… how would allowing this transaction count as cooperating with this boycott?

What is the deal with Clinton working for the UAE as a consultant on this ports deal?

How much is he getting paid?

If you ask me, nobody other than Americans should be owning American ports.

You don’t see other nations selling their ports to foreign countries. I saw in interview with Canadian and European politicians, and they were shaking their heads at the whole American situation. Even if we were to disregard the current situation with terrorism in the world, it’s still a stupid idea. Imagine if Great Britain had sold their ports to Germany (their biggest trading partner leading up to WWII)?

[quote]redfreddy wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
But more importantly, if you think the deal should go through – you must hate Jews…

Yeah, that’s it, I bet people who approve of the deal all hate Jews.[/quote]

Either you agree with Israel or your anti-Semitic – it’s not rocket surgery… hey, I didn’t make the rules, just going by what I was told.

Yeah, we’re gonna start an “Oprah like” book club…

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/HolocaustHorrors.html

http://www.leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9610/myers.html

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Do you actually deny the Nazis murdered 6 million jews as well as 4 million gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically handicapped and other “undesireables”?

First of all most revisionists don’t outright deny the holocaust. Right off the bat the 6 million number is EASILY thrown out by the fact that 4 of the 6 million total died at Auschwitz. As the picture of the plaque at Auschwitz shows, that number has OFFICIALLY been revised down over the years from 4 to 1.5 – less than one million of those being Jews.

In one fell swoop the number is automatically cut in half. Add to that things like Eisenhower, Churchill and de Gaulle’s complete omission from their books, among many other things. And then there’s this…


More Holocaust denial and other anti-Semitic crap.

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In fact, Western scholars have never supported the figure of 4 million deaths at Auschwitz; the basis of this Soviet estimate - an analysis of the capacity of crematoria at Auschwitz and Birkenau - has long been discredited. As early as 1952, Gerald Reitlinger, a British historian, had convincingly challenged this method of calculation. Using statistics compiled in registers for Himmler, he asserted that approximately 1 million people had died at Auschwitz; Raul Hilberg in 1961, and Yehuda Bauer in 1989, confirmed Reitlinger’s estimate of Auschwitz victims. Each of these scholars, nonetheless, has recognized that nearly 6 million Jews were killed overall during the Holocaust.24 Polish authorities were therefore responding to long-accepted Western scholarship, further confirmed subsequently by documents released in post-Soviet Russia; the cynical allegations of “Holocaust revisionism” played no part in their decision.

Try looking at all the facts instead of the ones that support your hatred of the Jews. The missing deaths you are trying to make a big deal out of were never counted as part of the 6 million.