Arab Owned Ports?

[quote]Brad61 wrote:
Simply because it is an Arabic country is not good enough.

Straw argument. Nobody credible is opposed based on UAE simply being Arabic, that I know of… [/quote]

Bin Laden has ties to every government in the middle east. While this is disturbing it should not automatically disqualify the deal.

So far I have not seen anything that would indicate this would impact security.

As I said before we should do a thorough investigation before the deal is finalized.

All arguments against the deal have ignored how intertwined Arabic governments and families are. They are almost all related somehow.

If we followed the degree of seperation thing there would likely be no Arabs we could trust.

Recognizing the Taliban and providing what could be considered ambassadors to them is not the same as sponsoring terrorism.

The US recognized Hitler. This did not make us Nazis.

So far the arguments I have seen do not get beyond anti-arab sentiment.

“Isn’t it enough that we’re patronizing the savages over those cartoons? Must we let them run our ports too?”

--- Ann Coulter

(Get 'em, Annie!!)

A very good, fact-filled Q&A piece from the Council on Foreign Relations website:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9918/

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“Isn’t it enough that we’re patronizing the savages over those cartoons? Must we let them run our ports too?”

--- Ann Coulter

(Get 'em, Annie!!)[/quote]

And your intelligence continues to shine through…

Some very good stuff, if a bit overstated in the “Islamophobia” rhetoric.

http://www.nationalreview.com/ijaz/ijaz200602221412.asp

February 22, 2006, 2:12 p.m.
Un-American
A disappointing and damaging response to the Dubai deal.

Islamophobia, not national security, is at the heart of the raging controversy on Capitol Hill over a United Arab Emirates-based company, Dubai Ports World, assuming ownership and management responsibilities at six major seaports in the United States. U.S. lawmakers might bristle at the thought of letting the UAE own and operate U.S. ports. After all, it was a citizen of the UAE, Marwan al Shehhi, who piloted United Airlines Flight 175 into the second World Trade Center tower, and it was through the banks of this country that the 9/11 attacks were partially financed. But their fiery rhetoric and threats of congressional action mask an increasingly patronizing racism fueled by illogical paranoia rooted in past events. Let’s deal with what the UAE is now.

Simply put, the reaction to the Dubai deal is un-American.

President Bush has therefore rightly threatened to veto any attempts to block the Dubai deal, although Congress, eager to insure the burden of responsibility falls squarely on his shoulders if another terrorist attack takes place on American soil, is sure to force him to pull out the presidential ink pen next week.

Congressional moves to reverse the administration’s support for an Arab company to run American ports exposes dangerous prejudices in America’s dealings with important Muslim countries at the time when they are needed most as front-line allies to fight terrorism. In Dubai’s case, this reality is reflected by deep suspicions that the sheikdom’s cordial relations with leading state sponsors of terrorism, like Iran, might somehow become the basis for DP World’s port operations allowing nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons to be smuggled into the U.S. in ship containers from unregulated ports.

Dubai, known for innovative investing in antiterrorist technology, should be encouraged to fund and deploy a revolutionary array of security initiatives, such as neutron pulse scanners and smart container-tracking chips that can track and detect illicit materials in cargo containers. U.S. technology is already being developed in prototype form to create CAT-scan-like reports identifying nuclear and chemical materials inside containers in less than two minutes, without opening them or materially affecting port management economics. Rather than penalize Dubai for suspicions no one can prove, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security should find a common investment and implementation basis with DP World for moving such technology development forward at a more rapid pace.

Simple corporate restructuring of the deal could also address concerns over how foreign-government-owned businesses are allowed to exert control in operating U.S. ports. DP World’s operations could be conducted under a U.S.-limited liability company framework with two classes of shares ? voting and non-voting. DP World would own 100 percent of the non-voting shares, which in turn would accrue 99 percent of the deal’s economic benefits. The voting-rights shares would be 100 percent owned by U.S. citizens with one percent of the economic benefits. The voting shares would have sole authority to set port operations policies, and importantly, to change any policy promulgated by DP World deemed a threat to national security.

Under such a proposal, the U.S. shareholders could be, for example, the chief-executive officeholders of the port authorities that DP World proposes to manage, along with a few presidential appointees, such as former law-enforcement officials, to provide oversight. Such arrangements already serve to channel important investment into private U.S. companies engaged in sensitive technology development that are regulated by International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). Port security, as opposed to a port’s commercial activities that DP World would be responsible for, will remain the task of the U.S. Coast Guard and Customs Service.

Such changes would not be discriminatory going forward ? even a British company, like the ports’ present management owners, Peninsular and Oriental, would also be subjected to the new regime.

Washington’s bout with Islamophobia also ignores the reality of Dubai’s future direction. A metropolis already, it is rapidly becoming the prototype city-state that could serve as an important example for the future in Muslim societies bedeviled by high unemployment, low literacy rates, bad trade policies, and authoritarian political structures. It is managed and led by a cadre of young, highly educated Arab and Muslim professionals who seek to transform the world’s stereotype of Islam by developing and running businesses transparently, with integrity and with an increasingly democratic and accountable corporate culture.

Whatever the UAE’s policies in the pre-9/11 world (whether as home to A. Q. Khan’s illicit nuclear network, one of three Taliban embassies, questionable banking practices, or as an alleged repository for Iranian-terror funds), Dubai’s record under these young leaders in the post 9/11 world reflects serious and structural change in national strategy. As Jim Robbins noted Tuesday, in December 2004, Dubai was the first Middle East government to accept the U.S. Container Security Initiative as policy to screen all containers for security hazards before heading to America. In May 2005, Dubai signed an agreement with the U.S. Department of Energy to prevent nuclear materials from passing through its ports. It also installed radiation-detecting equipment ? evidence of a commitment to invest in technology. In October 2005, the UAE Central Bank directed banks and financial institutions in the country to tighten their internal systems and controls in their fight against money laundering and terrorist financing.

These are not the actions of a terror-sponsoring state.

The Dubai port deal could also serve to increase the depth and breadth of people-to-people contacts between America and important Muslim countries in the Reaganesque “trust but verify” mold. It is useful in this regard to remember the example of the U.S. International Military Education and Training (IMET) program, which for decades has trained foreign armies in unstable countries to stay out of politics and improved U.S. understanding of complex societies. It seems patently hypocritical that America wants democracy in the Middle East, champions capitalism and global integration, pushes for reform, transparency, and anti-corruption practices in business, and then turns around and tells those who are practicing what America preaches, Sorry, we think you folks are a bunch of terrorists, so we don’t want you on our shores and don’t trust you running our ports.

It is understandable that American politicians would want to seek clarifications, safeguards, and accountability on the DP World deal in honor of all those who were mercilessly murdered on that tragic September morning. But the best way to honor their memories is to use the Dubai deal as a model to build effective bridges to the Arab and Muslim world ? as we did in Pakistan, Iraq, and Afghanistan ? instead of erecting barriers that reveal America’s paranoia and fear about some Islamist doomsday scenario no one can predict, all the while alienating the very people we need to help raise up the Muslim world’s disaffected so they are not so desperate to tear us down.

? Mansoor Ijaz is chairman of Crescent Investment Management LLC, a New York private equity firm developing homeland-security technologies related to Internet security, air and seaport-cargo security, and airship-surveillance technologies. He also serves as chief executive of Crescent Hydropolis Resorts, a London Stock Exchange (AIM) quoted company that is developing the world’s first permanent underwater living facilities, including a planned location in Dubai.

One more, from the Brits - who, by the way, had no problems approving this company’s control of their ports:

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/f11246b4-a3d1-11da-83cc-0000779e2340.html

Calmer voices drowned out by rhetoric
By Andrew Ward in Atlanta and Stephanie Kirchgaessner and Edward Alden in Washington
Published: February 22 2006 19:02 | Last updated: February 22 2006 19:02

Standing beneath towering cranes and rows of stacked containers on the docks of the Port of Miami, it is easy to see why the city should be concerned about maritime security.

The port is located on an island in Biscayne Bay just a few hundred metres from the gleaming blue-glass skyscrapers of Miami?s financial district and the apartment blocks of fashionable South Beach.

If terrorists wanted to smuggle a dirty bomb through a US port directly into a large and important population centre, Miami would be the ideal candidate.

Until this week, however, nobody seemed worried about the two foreign-controlled terminals that have been handling cargo at the port for years ? one owned by Denmark?s Maersk Group, the other by UK-based P&O.

It was only after P&O shareholders accepted a ?3.9bn ($6.8bn, ?5.7bn) take?over by Dubai Ports World last week that people started voicing alarm. On Tuesday, Manny Diaz, Miami?s mayor, wrote to President George W. Bush expressing ?deep concern? that the deal could ?jeopardise the security of our city and our nation?.

The letter was part of nationwide wave of protest against the Bush administration?s approval of the DP World deal, which will give the Middle Eastern company ownership of P&O facilities at six US ports. Critics fear the takeover will make ports more vulnerable to terrorism, even though DP World is based in the United Arab Emirates, a US ally.

Amid the deafening political rhetoric, however, those who know most about port security are striking a more sanguine tone.

Robert Bonner, the former US Customs commissioner who oversaw the tightening of port security following the 2001 terrorist attacks, believes critics have over-estimated the influence that terminal operators have over ports. ?The security concerns here are greatly exaggerated,? he says. ?The responsibility for the evaluation and inspection of anything coming into the US is not the responsibility of the port owner or the terminal operator. It?s the responsibility of the federal government.?

Contrary to the impression being given by many politicians, DP World will not gain ?control? over any US ports. All of those affected ? New York, New Jersey, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New Orleans and Miami ? are owned by city or state authorities.

P&O?s role is to manage dockside terminals, usually alongside rival operators such as Maersk. This gives the company control over the containers that pass through its facilities but all cargo is subject to security checks by the US Coast Guard and Customs.

Critics fear that terrorists could infiltrate DP World and gain positions of influence inside ports. But Andrea Muniz, spokeswoman for the Port of Miami, says that would be difficult in her city because all dock workers, including those employed by terminal operators, are subject to stringent background checks by the port authority.

Chris Bonura, spokesman for the Port of New Orleans, says the nationality of a terminal owner has little impact on operations. ?We don?t have lots of British people running around our port just because P&O is here. Americans run the terminal and the labour is local and unionised. That would not change.?

Stewart Baker, assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security, says DP World has been an ally in efforts to improve port security around the world and has agreed to deepen the co-operation as a condition of its takeover of P&O. ?There are more safeguards in this transaction than in any past port transaction,? he says.

Supporters of DP World dismiss the opposition as populist grandstanding by politicians gearing up for midterm elections. But Rob Burton, director of Blue Water Partners, a security consultancy, says some concern is merited. ?The Coast Guard and Customs may have oversight but, in reality, it is the people on the ground handling the cargo that have most effect on security and that is usually the terminal operators.?

Nobody disputes that port security has improved since 2001. Radiation detectors and X-ray machines have been introduced to most large ports; importers are required to provide information on incoming shipments at least 24 hours before arrival; and international agreements have been struck to increase inspection of US-bound goods on foreign soil.

Despite the improvement, only about 5 per cent of the 9m containers that arrive in the US each year are inspected and detection devices are notoriously unreliable. False alarms are sometimes triggered by naturally occurring radiation while more threatening material encased in lead would go unnoticed.

James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, says ports remain a weak spot in security and deserve greater attention because of their economic importance in a world of global, just-in-time supply chains. ?Our international trading system has become so efficient it is like a beautifully crafted Swiss watch,? he says. ?It works fine as long as nothing disturbs its mechanism. But a dirty bomb brought through the port of Los Angeles could shut down whole industries within days.?

Henry Cooper, a former US arms control negotiator and nuclear weapons expert, warns against becoming too fixated on ports. ?Terrorists are unlikely to choose to send a dirty bomb through a major transport artery because that?s where the greatest risk of detection and delay is,? he says. ?They are more likely to use a recreational vessel through a marina or deliver a missile from offshore. Terrorists will choose the least predictable route with the greatest flexibility and control. Locking a bomb in a container does not fit those criteria.?

Thank you for the articles BB.

I learned quite a bit from them.

I have to admit to my own knee-jerk reaction: Whatever chuck “I love me” schumer thinks is bad, must, by necessity, be correct.

This has served me well. So far, he has been wrong on every major issue.

Therefore, I just had a sneaking suspicion that the Port Deal was not only the correct, but vital thing for the United States of America.

Your article summed it up quite nicely. It appears the UAE has been the model of reform. They are also being sensitive enough to give us time to deluge the flailing democrats/pseudo-Republicans/guys running for President with facts.

It never ceases to amaze me that the democrats (others noted) don’t do their homework before beginning their lastest scheme.

I want the lefties to think about what would happen if we rescinded this port deal under current circumstances. Think about the message it sends. Governments come and go. Think about it. Do we really want to alienate THIS sort of ally? Does anyone really think it would be some sort of deterrent? Scratch that, it would be a deterrent for investment in the United States from the Middle East.

Bad.

JeffR

bradley,

You asked for a single reason to allow this deal to go through.

Does bradley=pox?

Didn’t you read zap’s posts.

“We’d like to remind them, as they’ve apparently forgotten, that the United Arab Emirates is a U.S. ally that has cooperated extensively with U.S. security operations in the war on terrorism, that supplied troops to the U.S.-led coalition during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and that sends humanitarian aid to Iraq. U.S. troops move freely in and out of Dubai on their way to Iraq now.”

Thanks for not reading. It makes it much easier for your democratic leadership to influence you.

JeffR

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
We know it is all part of a vast Jewish conspiracy. So was the Holocaust.
[/quote]

Yes Zap, everything about the Holocaust is entirely true. So true it’s against the law in nine countries NOT to believe it or even research it.

Anti semitism is spread by people like YOU because people who question something are systematically called Jew haters and conspiracy theorists - all the while claiming there is nothing to hide while CLEARLY trying to hide something. Truth doesn’t need laws to protect it.

To you, by me posting things like these means I’m not just concerned about protecting America but that I’m anti-semitic:

Federal Buildings Could Be In Jeopardy - In Houston and Nationally
October 1, 2001
11 News
HOUSTON (KHOU) - Could federal buildings in Houston and other cities be under surveillance by foreign groups? That’s what some experts are asking after federal law enforcement and security officials - nationally and in Houston - described for the 11 News Defenders a curious pattern of behavior by a group of people claiming to be Israeli art students.

They’ve shown up at the Houston headquarters of the Drug Enforcement Administration, at the Leland federal building downtown, and even the federal prosecutor’s office.

Who are they? They’re described as Middle Eastern men and women who claim to be Israeli art students, carrying portfolios filled with artwork they say they want to sell. But government guards have found those so-called students trying to get into these secure buildings in ways they’re not supposed to – through backdoors and parking garages. And that they appear to be monitoring the buildings. Even stranger, sources say, the “students” have even shown up at the homes of federal employees.

And the federal government appears concerned. The 11 News Defenders obtained an e-mail sent by an official with the Federal Protective Services, the agency that guards federal buildings. The e-mail says federal sites have “experienced an inundation of art solicitations at office buildings by students claiming to be selling Israeli art,” that it turned out to be nationwide, and that it had happened again a couple of weeks ago in Atlanta, Georgia.

And a source tells the Defenders of another federal memo, stating that besides Houston and Dallas, the same thing has happened at sites in New York, Florida, and six other states, and even more worrisome, at 36 sensitive Department of Defense sites.

“One defense site you can explain,” says Hatchett, “well that was just a serendipitous, they went to that building. Thirty-six? That’s a pattern.”

That memo also reportedly tells of 25 to 30 arrests, usually made on immigration fraud charges. Why? Because many of these so-called Israelis have phony passports and visas. The memo concludes these students “may have ties” to an “Islamic fundamentalist group.”

THE ISRAELI ART STUDENTS AND MOVERS STORY
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm

9/11 Israeli Spy Report FOX Was Forced To Pull
Carl Cameron -“Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying… is considered career suicide.”
http://www.rense.com/general67/pull.htm

‘Mossad spies’ jailed over New Zealand passport fraud
The Guardian
Friday July 16, 2004

Police fear al Qaeda terrorists using fake New Zealand passports
29 April 2004

Pollardites in the Pentagon?
September 8, 2004
According to The Washington Post, the FBI is now interviewing present and ex-officials from Cheney’s office and the Pentagon as to whether Feith, Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Paul Wolfowitz might have leaked U.S. security secrets to Israel, AIPAC or Ahmed Chalabi.

According to White House anti-terror chief Richard Clarke, Wolfowitz, in April 2001, wanted Osama put on a back burner and for us to go after Iraq. In the first hours after 9/11, according to Bob Woodward and Clarke, Wolfowitz wanted Iraq invaded, not Afghanistan. For his role in steering us into war, Wolfowitz was named Man of the Year - by the Jerusalem Post.

Ex-Pentagon man gets 12 years in AIPAC case
Haaretz Correspondent in Washington and AP
01/20/06 “Haaretz” – WASHINGTON - Former Pentagon analyst Larry A. Franklin was sentenced Friday to a 12 years and seven months imprisonment for passing classified information to former American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbyists.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11624.htm

AIPAC espionage case points to larger spy scandal
Feb 3, 2006
"A report from the Pentagon inspector general as to Feith’s alleged role in manipulating prewar intelligence to support a case for war. Feith, who is also being probed by the FBI for his role in an Israeli spy case, resigned in January 2005… One former intelligence source points to ‘a bigger can of worms’ that a Feith investigation may unravel.

The Larry Franklin-AIPAC-WINEP connection strongly suggests that what we are dealing with here is not simply a domestic group that had somehow seized control of U.S. foreign policy in order to pursue their interventionist agenda, but a foreign-directed and assisted covert operation designed to subvert the institutional foundations of various key government agencies and hijack U.S. military might in order to serve the interests of a foreign power, i.e., Israel. This suspicion is particularly strong when it comes to Feith, who had his security clearance revoked in 1982. The charge: leaking information to the Israeli embassy.

Next time you laugh and hurl damning remarks at someone for thinking there is some kind of “vast Jewish conspiracy” as you put it – make sure there really isn’t one first.

The uproar over Arab run ports fits right in with a country that has a vested interest in provoking anti-Arab sentiment.

And try as they might, Israel can’t ever seem to make peace with the unreasonable Arabs…

Israel Plans to Build ‘Museum of Tolerance’ on Muslim Graves
Independent / UK
February 9, 2006
Skeletons are being removed from the site of an ancient Muslim cemetery in Jerusalem to make way for a $150m “museum of tolerance” being built for the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Centre.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0209-08.htm

2 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from the UAE.

According the Mussaoui indictment, they have aided Bin Laden in laundering money.

They were one of the three nations to recognize the Taliban. (Saddam did NOT, by the way.)

Their human rights record is atrocious. Indentured servants, an active hand in the trading of sex slaves, and the purchase of children for use as camel jockeys.

But, yet…Bush is willing to use the first veto of his presidency to make sure these fine, upstanding citizens of the world get control of our ports.

God bless America.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Hmmm. What American company would be capable of running port operations like this… Hmm…

Can anyone say “Halliburton”?

Wonder what articles JTF would link for that one…[/quote]

Unfortunately Halliburton is already busy building the detention camps…

KBR Awarded US Department of Homeland Security Contingency Support Project for Emergency Support Services
Business Wire
Friday 24 January 2006
Arlingon, Va.- KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL).

With a maximum total value of $385 million over a five-year term, consisting of a one-year based period and four one-year options, the competitively awarded contract will be executed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Fort Worth District. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005.

The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.

The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other U.S. Government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster. In the event of a natural disaster, the contractor could be tasked with providing housing for ICE personnel performing law enforcement functions in support of relief efforts.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/013106D.shtml

JTF, do you know what a non sequiter is?

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
We know it is all part of a vast Jewish conspiracy. So was the Holocaust.

Yes Zap, everything about the Holocaust is entirely true. So true it’s against the law in nine countries NOT to believe it or even research it.

[/quote]

Sieg Heil douchebag. Why don’t you crawl back under a rock until the 4th Reich? Only then will your final solution to the jewish problem occur.

You sicken me with your hatred. I know you are probably a lost cause but I want everyone else to understand how sick you are.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
2 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from the UAE.

According the Mussaoui indictment, they have aided Bin Laden in laundering money.

They were one of the three nations to recognize the Taliban. (Saddam did NOT, by the way.)

Their human rights record is atrocious. Indentured servants, an active hand in the trading of sex slaves, and the purchase of children for use as camel jockeys.

But, yet…Bush is willing to use the first veto of his presidency to make sure these fine, upstanding citizens of the world get control of our ports.

God bless America.
[/quote]

Who’s THEY? The UAE, and especially Dubai, is a serious regional financial center, and a lot of money goes through there. If they failed to adequately police all of that, well, you could accuse us of equally serious security lapses. And your human rights stuff is blown out of proportion, it’s not America, and I’m not falling into the trap of cultural relativism, but it’s a far cry from Saudi Arabia.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
JTF, do you know what a non sequiter is?[/quote]

You mean like my response being as absurd as Bush not knowing about the port deal? Or not anticipating public sentiment about the deal?

Or Chertoff thinking New Orleans had “dodged a bullet”? Or Rice not anticipating hijackers flying planes into buildings? Or thinking Cheney no longer having a connection with Halliburton? Or Rumsfeld not anticipating an insurgency? Or Bush not knowing Abramoff or Ken Lay? Or PNAC not having anything to do with our foreign policy?

I got the joke.

It’s Latin for “does not follow.” It has a technical definition as a logical fallacy, but my point was more that your posts are often the answer to the question on that other thread about how threads cannot manage to stay on topic…

Responsiveness is an underappreciated quality.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

BostonBarrister wrote:
JTF, do you know what a non sequiter is?

JustTheFacts wrote:
You mean like my response being as absurd as Bush not knowing about the port deal? Or not anticipating public sentiment about the deal?

Or Chertoff thinking New Orleans had “dodged a bullet”? Or Rice not anticipating hijackers flying planes into buildings? Or thinking Cheney no longer having a connection with Halliburton? Or Rumsfeld not anticipating an insurgency? Or Bush not knowing Abramoff or Ken Lay? Or PNAC not having anything to do with our foreign policy?

I got the joke.

It’s Latin for “does not follow.” It has a technical definition as a logical fallacy, but my point was more that your posts are often the answer to the question on that other thread about how threads cannot manage to stay on topic…

Responsiveness is an underappreciated quality.
[/quote]

How do you think he will respond to me pointing out he appears to be an anti-semitic mouth breathing low life?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
We know it is all part of a vast Jewish conspiracy. So was the Holocaust.

Yes Zap, everything about the Holocaust is entirely true. So true it’s against the law in nine countries NOT to believe it or even research it.

Sieg Heil douchebag. Why don’t you crawl back under a rock until the 4th Reich? Only then will your final solution to the jewish problem occur.

You sicken me with your hatred. I know you are probably a lost cause but I want everyone else to understand how sick you are.[/quote]

I’m being completely rational, albeit off-topic. Your the one “sickened by hatred” when confronted with facts that conflict with your perceived vision of reality.

I’m merely the messenger. You think I’m sick for posting about Israeli spies all over the US, taping into government and law enforcement phones and infiltrating our highest levels of government.

A rational person could see what’s so completely wrong about this. It has nothing to do with hating Jews. That’s why it’s gotten to this point – if dragged out into the light the game would be over.

In the Arab world the US and Israel are seen as one and the same…

Not guilty. The Israeli captain who put 17 bullets into a Palestinian schoolgirl
The Guardian
Wednesday November 16, 2005
An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday.

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields
The Guardian
Friday October 7, 2005
The Israeli high court yesterday ruled that the army’s long-standing practice of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in combat is illegal under international law. It said the military’s claim to have amended the procedure to allow civilians to “volunteer” to work with the army was still unacceptable because it was unlikely anyone would freely do so.


The Ground Shifts
The Forward
May 28, 2004
The line between legitimate debate and scapegoating is a fine one. Friends of Israel will be tempted to guard that line by labeling as antisemites those who threaten to cross it. They already have begun to do so. But it is a mistake. Israel and its allies stand accused of manipulating America’s public debate for their own purposes. If they were to succeed in suppressing debate to protect themselves, it only would prove the point. Better to follow the democratic path: If there is bad speech, the best reply is more speech.
http://www.forward.com/main/article.php?ref=200405271238

The whole world is looney tunes – on one hand people wonder why Muslim’s go ape shit over a cartoon and on the other hand people are being jailed for thought crimes.

And back on topic -
Hating Arabs
Arab-haters target Dubai port company
February 22, 2006

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
2 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were from the UAE.

According the Mussaoui indictment, they have aided Bin Laden in laundering money.

They were one of the three nations to recognize the Taliban. (Saddam did NOT, by the way.)

Their human rights record is atrocious. Indentured servants, an active hand in the trading of sex slaves, and the purchase of children for use as camel jockeys.

But, yet…Bush is willing to use the first veto of his presidency to make sure these fine, upstanding citizens of the world get control of our ports.

God bless America.

Who’s THEY? The UAE, and especially Dubai, is a serious regional financial center, and a lot of money goes through there. If they failed to adequately police all of that, well, you could accuse us of equally serious security lapses. And your human rights stuff is blown out of proportion, it’s not America, and I’m not falling into the trap of cultural relativism, but it’s a far cry from Saudi Arabia.[/quote]

“They” is the UAE. They’re a financial center? So what: so is Hong Kong. HK, however, recognizes Israel’s right to exist.

We should reward these people for not being as bad as Saudi Arabia? (Another favorite of the Bushies.)

[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:

I’m being completely rational, albeit off-topic. Your the one “sickened by hatred” when confronted with facts that conflict with your perceived vision of reality.
[/quote]

Yes, you are the only rational person in an irrational world. Strike one.

Yeah you are the messenger. Delusions of granduer. Strike two.

As soon as we shine the spot light of truth on the damned Jews the world will see I am right! Strike three.

You are out, you anti-semitic son of a bitch.