I saw on the news yesterday that Nancy Pelosi is holding up or blocking votes for drilling. She doesn’t want to give Republicans something to run on in November. This shows that they put their own power before the good of the country. No wonder they are despised.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Vote Libertarian. The cattle (like Rehab AlDurr) will vote for the major party candidates but you’ll be off to the side watching the society self-destruct.
You seem to get to spend a great deal of time on here. I didn’t realize that the sanitarium gave that much freedom to its patients for computer use. I guess it is all part of your therapy treatment. Interesting… [/quote]
Can felons vote? I was going to ask you how you were going to vote but then realized that you can’t.
You were gone 4 months. Good behavior?
[quote]Standndeliver wrote:
I saw on the news yesterday that Nancy Pelosi is holding up or blocking votes for drilling. She doesn’t want to give Republicans something to run on in November. This shows that they put their own power before the good of the country. No wonder they are despised.[/quote]
The damn republicans could be running on that issue right now. But they don’t. The republican party - at least on the national stage - has turned into a bunch of pussies.
I have started telling the RNC to fuck off everytime they call me for money. I tell them I won’t support the republican party until we get some fucking republicans that aren’t bald-faced pussies like the crop we have in Congress currently.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
I have started telling the RNC to fuck off everytime they call me for money. I tell them I won’t support the republican party until we get some fucking republicans that aren’t bald-faced pussies like the crop we have in Congress currently. [/quote]
LOL do you say that to the poor phone operator verbatim?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
rainjack wrote:
When congress doesn’t even have the balls to vote on expanding our domestic drilling, then it goes beyond moral, and inspirational. Those who are whores to the enviro-fucktards are holding oil reserves hostage.
Every time you buy a tank of gas, there is a 70% chance it will wind up in the hands of those that want our nation destroyed, and we have a congress full of nutless assholes who are more than happy to support lixy and her gang of cowards.
The enviro-fucktards? Are you insane?
The USA is one of the world’s richest fossil fuel producers. We’ve been exploding in an orgy of consumption for a very long time. And despite two major crises in supply and an ever-increasing dependency on foreign oil, we haven’t learned.
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Our strategic stockpiles are unimpressive.
And you think the solution is to drill more? The solution is to do something about our seeming inability to control ourselves.
And regardless, we’re going to be dependent on the imports of potential adversaries in the foreseeable future. In fact, almost all highly industrialized nation import A LOT of their energy.
What? We hve over 83 billion barrels of LSC sitting in Alaske, and right off shore. Who in fuck’s name is keeping us from even bringing drilling there to a vote?
CHina is about to start drilling about 90 miles off our Florida coast in oil fields we could already be exporting.
Yes enviro fucktards have whores like Pelosi by her political balls.
We could double our domestic oil production and cut our foreign dependence in half. That would be a very good thing. How can you not understand this?
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Um, no, we have nowhere close to 83 billions of oil in Alaska.
More like 7.7; hardly anything.
China is going to drill because we have an embargo on Cuba, which opened leasing awhile ago, and invited the US to partake. This is our fault, not China’s.
We will never become interdependent. It is no longer posssible.
[quote]
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.[/quote]
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road.
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
The solution is to do something about our seeming inability to control ourselves.
Good luck with that.
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.[/quote]
How is growing the size of government with our taxes and impoverishing those who have to drive for a living(the poor) going to help anything?
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road. [/quote]
What are they supposed to do with them? Everyone is trying to sell theirs now so the price has plummeted for those items. It’s pointless to waste thousands by selling an SUV at a huge loss to save hundreds on gas.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
The solution is to do something about our seeming inability to control ourselves.
Good luck with that.
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
How is growing the size of government with our taxes and impoverishing those who have to drive for a living(the poor) going to help anything? [/quote]
There are other ways to help the poor than by allowing the consumption of what oil we have left to be depleted at the current incredibly rapid pace.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road.
What are they supposed to do with them? Everyone is trying to sell theirs now so the price has plummeted for those items. It’s pointless to waste thousands by selling an SUV at a huge loss to save hundreds on gas. [/quote]
I don’t know or care what they do with them.
Selling a car is going to be a significant loss to begin with.
The point is that times are not drastic enough to get rid of the SUV.
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road.
What are they supposed to do with them? Everyone is trying to sell theirs now so the price has plummeted for those items. It’s pointless to waste thousands by selling an SUV at a huge loss to save hundreds on gas.
I don’t know or care what they do with them.
Selling a car is going to be a significant loss to begin with.
The point is that times are not drastic enough to get rid of the SUV.[/quote]
So your idea is something like this:
Step 1: Raise gas prices by taxing.
Step 2: Force people with lower incomes to somehow BUY more fuel-efficeient cars (with all that extra money they have around) and get rid of their SUVs (you don’t know or care how)
Step 3: …
Step 4: Everything’s okay!
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
rainjack wrote:
When congress doesn’t even have the balls to vote on expanding our domestic drilling, then it goes beyond moral, and inspirational. Those who are whores to the enviro-fucktards are holding oil reserves hostage.
Every time you buy a tank of gas, there is a 70% chance it will wind up in the hands of those that want our nation destroyed, and we have a congress full of nutless assholes who are more than happy to support lixy and her gang of cowards.
The enviro-fucktards? Are you insane?
The USA is one of the world’s richest fossil fuel producers. We’ve been exploding in an orgy of consumption for a very long time. And despite two major crises in supply and an ever-increasing dependency on foreign oil, we haven’t learned.
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Our strategic stockpiles are unimpressive.
And you think the solution is to drill more? The solution is to do something about our seeming inability to control ourselves.
And regardless, we’re going to be dependent on the imports of potential adversaries in the foreseeable future. In fact, almost all highly industrialized nation import A LOT of their energy.
What? We hve over 83 billion barrels of LSC sitting in Alaska, and right off shore. Who in fuck’s name is keeping us from even bringing drilling there to a vote?
China is about to start drilling about 90 miles off our Florida coast in oil fields we could already be exporting.
Yes enviro fucktards have whores like Pelosi by her political balls.
We could double our domestic oil production and cut our foreign dependence in half. That would be a very good thing. How can you not understand this?
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83 Billion? Says who? Read:
[quone]The opening of the ANWR 1002 Area to oil and natural gas development is projected to increase domestic crude oil production starting in 2018. In the mean ANWR oil resource case, additional oil production resulting from the opening of ANWR reaches 780,000 barrels per day in 2027 and then declines to 710,000 barrels per day in 2030. Between 2018 and 2030, cumulative additional oil production is 2.6 billion barrels for the mean oil resource case. [/quote]
source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicerpt/anwr/index.html?featureclicked=2&
That’s right. If open ANWR for drilling, nothing will come online until 2018. And at it’s very peak production in 2027, it would only give us 780,000 barrels per day. To put that in perspective, the US consumed 21 million barrels per day in 2007, only 5 million of which are domestic.
And the affect on oil prices per barrel according to this report? $0.75. Not even a dollar. Not much, given todays prices of 150 per barrel. And if oil markets continue to function as they do, OPEC could simply reduce exports to prevent even this.
You are out of your mind. Proven domestic oil reserves are 21 billion barrels. At current rates of domestic production(5m/d), we have a ten year supply of oil. If we doubled current production rates (which is impossible), this becomes a 5 year supply. Why would you want to do that?
[quote]Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road. [/quote]
I love my truck, and my wife loves her Jeep.
One question; what price per gallon would you view as acceptable in your collectivist/socialist mind?
[quote]NateOrade wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road.
What are they supposed to do with them? Everyone is trying to sell theirs now so the price has plummeted for those items. It’s pointless to waste thousands by selling an SUV at a huge loss to save hundreds on gas.
I don’t know or care what they do with them.
Selling a car is going to be a significant loss to begin with.
The point is that times are not drastic enough to get rid of the SUV.
So your idea is something like this:
Step 1: Raise gas prices by taxing.
Step 2: Force people with lower incomes to somehow BUY more fuel-efficeient cars (with all that extra money they have around) and get rid of their SUVs (you don’t know or care how)
Step 3: …
Step 4: Everything’s okay!
[/quote]
I wonder if he’s aware how much environmental damage is done to make one hybrid car. It’s more damage than a Hummer does over its entire lifetime.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
Yeah let’s make buying gas more expensive. Then we’ll all stop driving and use hang-gliders instead.
Despite 4/gallon at the pump, I see plenty of SUV’s and large trucks on the road.
What are they supposed to do with them? Everyone is trying to sell theirs now so the price has plummeted for those items. It’s pointless to waste thousands by selling an SUV at a huge loss to save hundreds on gas.
I don’t know or care what they do with them.
Selling a car is going to be a significant loss to begin with.
The point is that times are not drastic enough to get rid of the SUV.
So your idea is something like this:
Step 1: Raise gas prices by taxing.
Step 2: Force people with lower incomes to somehow BUY more fuel-efficeient cars (with all that extra money they have around) and get rid of their SUVs (you don’t know or care how)
Step 3: …
Step 4: Everything’s okay!
I wonder if he’s aware how much environmental damage is done to make one hybrid car. It’s more damage than a Hummer does over its entire lifetime. [/quote]
That reminds me of the time I saw the “It doesn’t take a war to power my bicycle” bumper sticker on this guy’s truck.
mike
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
NateOrade wrote:
Mah-lur wrote:
The solution is to do something about our seeming inability to control ourselves.
Good luck with that.
Taxes on gas are absurdly low. Perhaps a change is in order.
How is growing the size of government with our taxes and impoverishing those who have to drive for a living(the poor) going to help anything? [/quote]
Tax gas and grow mass transit.
Mah-lur: I agree, central control is the only answer. We must not let the free market fail us again on this one. Thank god we have the messiah Obama to save us. To you my friend…
mike
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I wonder if he’s aware how much environmental damage is done to make one hybrid car. It’s more damage than a Hummer does over its entire lifetime. [/quote]
This is VERY questionable.
You [I assume, correct me if not] are citing from a CNW study called Dust to Dust, which purports to examine the life-cycle energy expenditure for a variety of different automobiles.
Here’s a link: http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/DUST%20PDF%20VERSION.pdf
Notice the table of contents and the introduction.
“This is a general-consumer report, not a technical document per se.” (15)
This is BAD! The only sections in the supposed report are the data and the conclusion! And they manipulated the data!
“For simplicities sake we have condensed the data to reflect both current and time-line increases
in the costs of these tires (and other information under the repair/maintenance columns).” (122)
With no methodology presented, distortion of data, a complete lack of scientific review, and conclusions contradictory to well known scientific institutes (MIT: http://web.mit.edu/energylab/www/pubs/el00-003.pdf ),
any statements regarding CNW’s study are hard to make until they release their data without distortion, present their methodologies, and allow the study to undergo peer-review.
Until then, it seems as if the only reasonable conclusion is that hybrids are of course better than the environment.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Mah-lur: I agree, central control is the only answer. We must not let the free market fail us again on this one. Thank god we have the messiah Obama to save us. To you my friend…
mike[/quote]
You want a free market?
Free markets are only realizable through the political process of engineering free markets. That means the government has to weaken and destroy the policies and institutions that curtail the market. And since only strong governments are able to make those changes, liberalization of markets is directly dependent on the power of a strong central government.
And that’s what has been happening. Look at the US, the UK, Australia, New Zealand’s policy initiatives of the 80’s and 90’s.
Everyone: I know politics can be a highly emotional issue. I know this is T-Nation.
But if we’re trying to have a debate, to find the truth of an issue, it seems as if we should avoid personal attacks and distortion of an issue to achieve an ego boosting internet victory.
I’m not in this thread to attack anyone, just to present my views the best way I know how.