[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]mse2us wrote:
Push with all due respect, do me a favor. Get a Bible and read Genesis chapter 1 carefully because it is obvious you did not do that.
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I’d be willing to wager I’ve read Genesis 1 a hundred times more than you have, FTR.[quote]
Genesis 1:12,12 states:
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds . And God saw that it was good.
Think!! Verse 12 states that the land produced vegetation and trees bore fruit . What tree do you know of that grows to the point of bearing fruit in a 24 hour period from a seed. That verse shows that vegetation and trees went through the natural growth cycle from seed up. So it is clear my friend that this did not happen OVER NIGHT. [/quote]
You’re making this too complicated.
God, just like He did with Adam and Eve, made the plants mature at the instant of creating them. That is, they were bearing fruit and seeds immediately when they appeared on earth.
God did NOT create seeds and then sit back and wait for them to go through their natural cycle. Verse 12 clearly supports plants with an “appearance of age.”
Another problem with your scenario is insects including those necessary for pollination were not created until Day 6. You can’t have a fully functioning plant ecosystem without the requisite insects; so this is more evidence that it is appropriate to adhere to a 24 hour day in Genesis 1.[quote]
Also, on the first day God said let there by light and states the difference between night and day so it is clear that the sun was already in existence before day 4.[/quote]
No, God created light on Day 1. He clearly states he created the sun on Day 4. There is no reason to conclude the sun existed before Day 4 in direct contradiction to the Scripture.
Despite my previous posts that plant life may have sat there in a brief darkness on Say 3 waiting for the light from the sun on Day 4, it is entirely plausible that the earth was rotating on its axis and receiving light (and all kinds of electromagnetic energy) FROM the light/energy THAT WAS produced on Day 1. In other words the sun itself was not necessary for the earth’s energy source on Days 1 - 3. It is now of course and that is why Day 4 happened.
Again don’t mix and match and twist and warp Genesis 1. Read it in a straightforward manner. It was written simply and meant to be interpreted literally. In fact, the writer of chapter 1, probably God himself, could not have penned the words any more succinctly to indicate a literal six day creation week with 24 hour days.
Also, Exodus 20:11 supports this. In context of the giving of the Ten Commandments it says, "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Now if a “day” in Genesis 1 means a thousand or millions of years I guess that meant the Israelites in Exodus were supposed to work six thousand years or six million years before they could rest for one thousand or one million years on the Sabbath. That doesn’t make much sense, does it?
Additionally, the words “evening” (Hebrew ereb) and morning (Hebrew boqer) ALWAYS mean a literal 24 hour day EVERYWHERE they are used in the O.T. and that is more than 100 times.[quote]
I meant to include this in my previous post but forgot. The heavens mentioned at Genesis 1:1 is not referring to the spiritual heavens where spirit creatures reside it refers to the physical heavens which is outer space. Bible writers often use the term heavens to refer to the upper atmosphere or outer space. Isaiah 13:10 (NIV) states this well which reads:
“10 The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light.”
1 Corinthians 15:40 (NIV) states:
“There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.”
This will hold up to both critical and casual thinking. [/quote]
I agree although there is no reason to believe that the spiritual heavens were not created simultaneously with the physical heavens. In fact it seems likely. Know why?
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No you’re making this too complicated. God making the sun after the earth is more complicated than the solar system existing along with the rest of the universe before God started the creative days on earth. If you want to get into Hebrew words(I hate getting into Hebrew words, it just complicates things), the Hebrew verb bara which means create is not used. Instead the Hebrew word asah meaning make is used. Since the sun, moon and stars are included in the heavens mentioned at Genesis 1:1 they were created long before day 4. Again, the point of verses 14-18 are two show how God used the sun and the moon from the surface of the earth’s perspective to distinguish between day and night and so man can determine seasons, days months and years. He made them visible from earth’s land.
Are you seriously saying insects are the only way plant life spreads? What about pinecones, various acorns, those annoying puffy weeds that grow in your lawn and disperse seeds that float throught the air. Watch a nature channel and you’ll see that there are thousands of ways plants spread their seeds without the assistance of insects.
Of course the Hebrew words for day and evening that are used in the Hebrew scriptures to denote a 24 hour period are going to be the same as the day and evening mentioned in Genesis chapter 1. That’s because all of the instances use the same words. You’re missing the fact that a day for God is longer than a human 24 hour day. Just because the same word “day” is used doesn’t mean that they are the same length. A 24 hour day for a human is determined strictly by how long it takes the earth to rotate on it’s axis. That is how we humans on earth measure time. God is outside of the confines of the earth, also God is eternal so it only makes sense that a day for God is much longer than a 24 hour earth day as stated at 2 Peter 3:8.
God resting on the seventh day and then blessing it and making it a special day for the Israelites does not support the fact that his day is a 24 hour earth day. God made the seventh day special for humans because his seventh day in the earths creative process was special. When this law came about 24 hour earth days and 7 day weeks were already established from a human perspective so God would not apply his length of days to a human 24 hour day. So no God would not have a human work six thousand years and on the seven thousandth have them rest. That would be impossible because humans in our current state do not live that long. So God could not have applied his length of days to humans. He would apply the sabbath command to human time which is determined by earth rotating on it’s axis.
By the way since you have read the Genesis account a hundred times more than me, do you understand and know the significance of how Adam was created and both Adam and Eve eating the fruit? If people closely examined that account several MAJOR christian religious doctrines would be dispelled.
By the way how do you break up someones quote so that you can respond to a posters specific sentence like I see you often do?