Science is literally the only method we have to make sense of reality.
If there is a god it could 100% make itself knowable through science otherwise this particular god isn’t all powerful. So either it chooses not to or doesn’t exist.
Let me show you some faith that you have blind belief. What holds the nucleus of an atom together? It doesn’t make any sense, does it? If you’re pretty smart you will say energy holds it together.
Remember when you asked were did God come from? I ask you, Where does that energy to hold the nucleus come from? But you have total, blind faith that the energy within the nucleus will always be doing its part to hold the nucleus together.
I have faith in who/what holds the nucleus together. And it comes from Hebrews 1:3, “…upholding all things by the word of his power…”
The whole point of this life is that it is a test according to all three monotheistic religions. If he showed you he exists where is the test? This is a really bad argument. To critique religion you have to give critiques that are internally consistent with the internal logic of said religion.
Obviously God could show you he exists, in fact in all three Abrahamic religions he addresses atheists who say to the Prophets if God exists tell him to show himself to us:
If We had sent down to them the angels, and the dead had spoken to them, and (even if) We had gathered everything before them face to face, still, they were not to believe, unless God would have so willed. But, most of them adopt the way of ignorance.
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Philosophy is a way to know things, we can arrive at truth through logic for example. Science itself was born through philosophy, it was called natural philosophy. Have you ever studied philosophy?
What?! None of that has anything to do with faith. Those are things that we don’t fully yet understand how they work. Nothing to do with faith.
If a scientist said it’s held together by crazy glue and provided no evidence or reasoning for how he knew, believing him would be faith.
Faith has nothing to do with not understanding how something works. Faith is belief without evidence.
How the hell do you know what the point of life is or that there is even a point.
This right here is the real danger of religion. You already “know” its true.
To be honest if you already have all the answers because religion gave it to you then this conversation is pointless.
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You have faith that bthe universe could have come from nothing. Implicitly because you denied God. So ina purely mechanistic matierla unieverse, something HAD TO come from nothing. That is what carl sagan said; “Give me one miracle and I can explain everything else.”
Tell me one truth derived from philosophy that has actual physical implications.
The word truth is philosophical lol.
I don’t have faith the universe came from nothing. I don’t know where the universe came from, if it always existed or if it was created by god.
To say god created the universe is making an assumption the universe was created and then inserting god as the explanation because you want it to be so.
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You arent an agnostic you said you were an atheist. Atheism IMPLICITLY makes a claim that the universe could have come from nothing. Accoridng to the scientists you believe, it is a FACT that the universe BEGAN to exist. How could something begin to exist before any matter existed?
This is a logical impossibility. This is why Dawkins and Harris now won’t say they are atheists but say they are hard agnostics, because if they say they are atheists that is making a truth claim they can’t defend. So they say they are agnostics because they can’t rule out the 0.01% chance God exists.
This is why the new atheists are cowards.
Never said I was athiest
The Universe began to exist according to all scientists. Everything that began to exist had a cause. Therefore the universe had a cause.
How could something at a time of nothingness have caused the universe?
This is why philosophy is so important.
You made the claim God doesn’t exist. That is atheism not agnosticism.
Scientists don’t know how the universe began. All they know is that at one point it started to expand from what they call a singularly. Scientists may hypothesize it’s origin but nothing they claim as fact.
No you made the claim god does. I’m looking for your evidence which you can’t provide. Therefore I don’t have a good reason to believe.
You said God doesn’t exist. If God doesn’t exist then you are making an active claim about how the universe came about and ruling out God. So before there was anything, what created something? Don’t hand wave this away, actually stake a position, or else whats the point in arguing against God without providing your own claim? Saying we don’t know is hiding. If God doesn’t exist you are implicitly saying the universe began to exist out of nothing. You just won’t say that because to do so is a complete blind leap of faith. It is also a logical impossibility from the perspective of philosophy.
I never said god doesn’t exist. I said there isn’t evidence for me to believe. So if you ask me if god exists, my answer is I don’t know. God’s existence, like the existence of anything else, cannot be disproven. You don’t believe the existence of something is true by default until evidence presents itself. Which is exactly why you are innocent until proven guilty.
Likewise with the origins of the universe my answer is I don’t know. No one has a clue if the universe came out of nothing, always existed or was created by some being.
Some people have a hard time with not knowing, you seem to be one of them, and instead of being honest by saying you don’t know, you fill the gap with god.
Brother you are making truth claims and then denying what you are implying in your argumentation. Don’t want to get all debate bro here, but you need to pick an epistemological starting point to argue from. Otherwise you can just mott and bailey me.
"Science is literally the only method we have to make sense of reality.
If there is a god it could 100% make itself knowable through science otherwise this particular god isn’t all powerful. So either it chooses not to or doesn’t exist."