Any Lawyers/Law Students?

Pmpm and davidcox have really handled the questions well, IMO. One thing I’ll add is that what you get out of law school will vary quite a bit by where you go. Tier 1 schools do not teach to the bar exam in their respective states much. They teach “black letter law,” which is like a combination of all the most common rules of law.

Sure, you’ll study majority and minority rules where there are jurisdiction splits, but mostly you do NOT learn the law of any one state. Third and fourth tier schools, it is my understanding, do more to teach practically in a way that is geared toward practicing in a given state. But they also focus less on theory and higher level application (forgive me if I am mistaken, this is based on what I’ve been told by people who went to them).

Mostly, law school familliarizes you with 95% of the law you are likely to encounter in practice, such that you know where there are issues that you will then need to research. For example, I know that the parole evidence rule has something to do with oral statements relating to contracts and whether they are admissible as to the meaning of the contract.

I don’t remember how exactly it works, but if a situation presents itself where the issue arises, I know what to research. That’s how most of law school works.

FWIW, I also used to work for a Big Firm in MN, and left after two years. It was an excellent experience, and I learned a ton, but never have I missed working there (well, there was the day a few months after I left that they gave out $20k bonuses to everyone - I was bitter I didn’t stay those last couple months!). Now I work for the airport authority in MN, and I like it a lot.

One final point, I have come to learn that there is no such thing as a simple, boilerplate contract. Every single contract is different in little, significant ways. Show me a storebought contract, and I can improve it within 10 seconds, I’m sure. Part of the reason is that a good contract depends on which side you are on. If you find a contract at Office Depot to sell your car, if may not give you, the seller, as much protection as you would like.

You probably want the buyer to bear the risk of a breakdown right after sale, whereas the buyer would undoubtedly want the seller to bear that risk. The form OD contract will not advise you as to this risk, nor will it suggest language to protect you. In any contract, there will likely be dozens of these types of issues. Not to mention that fact that many of these contracts are not specialized to your state, where many provisions may be illegal or unenforceable.

Or perhaps your state requires “magic words” to make something enforceable (yes, many states do require magic words for many things). Simply put, store bought contracts will never replace attorneys.

Just my two cents (but because I’m an attorney, I will have to charge you a full $1.50).

There is a lot of reasons on why you would pursue a law degree. But based on the current economy and the number of highly qualified lawyers who have recently been laid off, I would suggest weighing the opportunity cost of going to law school. A lot of people go to law school and find out that the legal job they can get pays them the same as the job they were offerred out of undergrad but with the added bonus of three years of lost earnings and three years of debt.

The reasons you go to law school will greatly affect what type of legal job you pursue. As for me, I like helping my clients achieve their goals, and that is why I chose private practice.

As for the comments about outsourcing, sure it is happening and going to happen. But my clients don’t come to me or my firm because we can draft a stock contract, will, pleading, etc. They come because we can add value and show them ways to accomplish their goals. If you are an attorney who drafts the stock contract and only makes additions at the clients request, you aren’t going to be a successful attorney. To be successful, you have to be the type of attorney that says, “Oh you are trying to do XYZ. Have you thought about ABC?”

Estate planning is one of the most talked about outsourcing opportunities. This is just people ignorant of the system or ignorant on what a good estate planning attorney does. The misconception comes from the small shop estate planning attorney who charges $500 per will and just fills in the blanks. A good estate planning attorney takes not only what the client has but also suggests additions to the estate that maximizes the clients objectives.

For instance, if you have a client that has a $500,000 estate and wants his children and his alma mater to receive a portion of it, a poor estate planning attorney (or an outsourced attorney) would just split the money between the parties. A good estate planning attorney, on the other hand, would suggest making a life time gift to the alma mater.

With the income tax savings, the client could then purchase a life insurance policy for the benefit of his children. Thus, at the end of the day, you have effectively increased the client’s estate by taking advantage of relevant tax laws.

If you want any advice regarding law school, law, law firms, etc., pm me.

FWIW a number of people I know left the law profession (or are planning to), particularly those who work at larger firms. But even if you aren’t actively practicing law, having the training can come in handy with other professions.
I made the switch from criminal to civil law and I am still luke warm about the move. But overall, I am happy that I went through with law school and have no regrets.

As a fairly recent law school graduate and practicing attorney, I will give you my opinion. While a law degree will only help you and your skill set in anything you choose to do, there is a price to pay for it, debt. If you have scholarship or a low tuition then I think law school can be a great move. However, if you are going to law school because you don’t know what you want to do, be careful about the amount of debt you incur.

Jobs for lawyers are not exactly plentiful right now. I have at least a dozen friends that have been laid off over the past year and there are thousands like them. People used to go into law because it provides a stable job with a pretty good paycheck. These economic times have proven that legal jobs are not a given like the were in the past.

If you enjoy working through the arguments and different aspects of the law in your 1L year, I say stick with it so long as you aren’t going into a ton of debt to fund the education. Despite all the questions regarding outsourcing and the status of the job market, a legal education will make you a better thinker, reader, and writer.

Also, the amount of money you will make starting (assuming you find employment) will depend greatly on the law school you went to and the size and location of the firm where you will start.

Obviously, an attorney in a one person shop in Billings, MT won’t make the same paycheck as someone in a white shoe firm in NY.

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