[quote]ZEB wrote:
[Sorry if you thought I was nasty. I’m just not into entertaining posters who don’t really have a legitimate argument.[/quote]
and where is your legitimate argument?
[quote]colt44 wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[Sorry if you thought I was nasty. I’m just not into entertaining posters who don’t really have a legitimate argument.[/quote]
and where is your legitimate argument?[/quote]
Read the thread mr. drive by poster.
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]kaaleppi wrote:
you say bye because your arguments don’t stand.[/quote]
You have not refuted even ONE of my arguments. You see saying “nu huh” is not sufficient refutation. I say this because you are boring. You are a politically correct liberal who has a certain mind set on the topic. And while it’s fun to poke a stick at forlife it’s not as much fun with you. And that is because you really don’t have an argument.
Yeah, I’d be embarased if I had to support a group like that too. But hey it was your choice.
This isn’t nasty. You have not been around T Nation long enough apparently. Anyway, my opinion is based upon:
1- The fact that homosexuals are an overly promiscuous bunch thus harming the institution of marriage. And the slippery slope which will lead to polygamous and incestuous marriage. You know obvious things like that for those of us who are not all starry eyed and messed up “give em dem dar rights it’s only fair sniff…sniff…” You see that’s just not a good reason to change a 5000 year old institution. But you’ll catch on eventually…or not. I don’t really care.
And my many other facts are obvious to those who have been paying attention.
Now we can keep doing this but I promise you one thing for certain, you will not derive any satisfaction from it. Not today, and not two months from now if we continue. All you’ll be is even more frustrated than you are currently - Yeah I sense that from you 
But that’s up to you.
Sorry if you thought I was nasty. I’m just not into entertaining posters who don’t really have a legitimate argument.[/quote]
No Zeb, you already gave me full satisfaction 
and to everyone that is one the same page. Bye, for realz.[/quote]
Bye, and don’t forget not to write.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.
Shut up ZEB and the rest of you homophobes.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.[/quote]
Oh, thats mine.
Or more specifically, I belong to it, because it is a clan sign.
this thread has got some serious legs to it, this ones gonna last a while
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
this thread has got some serious legs to it, this ones gonna last a while[/quote]
Throw evolution in there and watch it blow up to four threads in no time.
[quote]brnforce wrote:
Shut up ZEB and the rest of you homophobes.[/quote]
Good argument, you should go to competition with such flawless reasoning and rhetoric.
Dude pointed out some good stuff:
[quote]Motley Monk wrote:
Homosexual marriage: The law of unintended consequence?
With the initial wave of glee receding a couple of weeks after the State of New York approved so-called ?homosexual marriage,? the law of unintended consequences has now predictably come into play.
As reported in a New York Times article, some companies that heretofore have provided ?domestic partner benefits? to homosexual partners who have been living in domestic partnerships are now requiring these employees to get married if they want their partners to qualify for health insurance. In the State of New York, these companies include Corning and IBM; in Massachusetts, Raytheon has moved in this direction. All three are providing a ?grace period? for homosexual domestic partners to comply with the marriage requirement.
These decisions have forced proponents of so-called ?homosexual marriage? to reassess.
Why?
The federal government does not recognize these so-called ?marriages,? requiring corporations to comply with federal law.
The goal of achieving ?equal treatment under the law? has now caused homosexual advocacy groups to wonder if they?ve pressed too far and too fast. According to the New York Times article, proponents will now argue that, until the matter is settled at the federal level, companies should stick to their current policies providing the current option to domestic partners.
[…]
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[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
this thread has got some serious legs to it, this ones gonna last a while[/quote]
Throw evolution in there and watch it blow up to four threads in no time.[/quote]
true dat, true dat
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.[/quote]
Oh, thats mine.
Or more specifically, I belong to it, because it is a clan sign.[/quote]
A ‘clan sign’? Nonsense. I’ve never even heard of a bloody ‘clan sign’. Please show me a link that describes what a ‘clan sign’ is because I’m calling bullshit. It’s clearly a coat of arms.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.[/quote]
Oh, thats mine.
Or more specifically, I belong to it, because it is a clan sign.[/quote]
http://www.beepworld.de/members62/gutowski-slepowron/herby_rodowe.htm
Here is where you got your Poraj-Gutowsky coat of arms Baron orion. Why do you bother lying?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.[/quote]
Oh, thats mine.
Or more specifically, I belong to it, because it is a clan sign.[/quote]
http://www.beepworld.de/members62/gutowski-slepowron/herby_rodowe.htm
Here is where you got your Poraj-Gutowsky coat of arms Baron orion. Why do you bother lying?[/quote]
You do not know what you are talking about.
Polish coat of arms are clan signs.
And its Poraj, the Gutowskys are only one family that fought under that banner.
[quote]SexMachinepart2 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Or maybe everyone just has Orion on ignore by now.
[/quote]
Probably so. He’s silly just in post quoted by other people.[/quote]
FOAD[/quote]
Ha ha ha. I just noticed your coat of arms orion. You have a right to use them do you? You realise that it’s a licence to bear arms and you need to be a direct heriditary heir along the (usually paternal) line to sport a coat of arms? Otherwise you’re what’s known as a ‘pretender’. Or more commonly now-a-days a ‘dickhead’.[/quote]
Oh, thats mine.
Or more specifically, I belong to it, because it is a clan sign.[/quote]
http://www.beepworld.de/members62/gutowski-slepowron/herby_rodowe.htm
Here is where you got your Poraj-Gutowsky coat of arms Baron orion. Why do you bother lying?[/quote]
You do not know what you are talking about.
Polish coat of arms are clan signs.
And its Poraj, the Gutowskys are only one family that fought under that banner.
[/quote]
Um, yeah so my account was just disabled. I wonder why that happened. Anyway, here’s a link describing Polish clans and their coats of arms. The one you are displaying has the crown on a shield with heraldic banners. There is no such thing as a ‘clan sign’. You are displaying a coat of arms that you are not entitled to use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_clans[/quote]
Really?
If you had read your own link you would now that Polish coat of arms are indeed clan signsm at least the older ones and if you had done your homework you would know that any of these families is entitled to use it:
Alantowicz, Ambroziewicz, Antoszewski, Augustynowicz, Badowski, Belimin, Bernacki, Biernacki, BierzgliÅ?ski, Bilimin, Bilimowicz, Biling, BirgiaÅ?Å?o, BlÄ?cki, Bodzanta, BoguchwaÅ?, Bortkiewicz, Borysowicz, Boryszewski, Boryszowski, BuczeÅ?ski, Bukowski, BużeÅ?ski, Cecundus, Chlebowski, Chmielicki, Chodcza, Chodubski, ChomÄ?towski, ChomiÅ?ski, Chotecki, Chrapowicki, Chrapowski, Chraszczewski, Chraszewski, Chrzanowski, ChrzÄ?nowski, Chrzonowski, Czado, Czadowski, Czapikowski, CzasÅ?awski, CzesÅ?awski, Czestek, Czostkowski, DÄ?browski, Dembowiecki, DÄ?bnicki, DobrosoÅ?owski, DobrosuÅ?owski, Dobrzelewski, Dobrzelowski, DobrzyÅ?ski, Dominikowski, Druktejn, Dulski, Dworzysowski, Dworzyszowski, Egersdorff, Egiersdorf, Egierszdorff, Faruchowicz, Gadamowicz, Galicki, Garkowski, GarliniÅ?ski, GarliÅ?ski, Garmuchowski, Garnisz, Garnkowski, Garnuchowski, Gazuba, Gedrojc, Gidzielski, GÅ?uch, Gniewiecki, GoczaÅ?kowski, Golemowski, GoÅ?embowski, GoÅ?Ä?bowski, GoÅ?uÅ?ski, Gorecki, GoryÅ?ski, GorzyÅ?ski, Górecki, Górski, GórzeÅ?ski, Grejcz, Grochowicki,Grusznicki, GruszczyÅ?ski, Grzybowski, Halicki, Hickiewicz, Hollak, ImieliÅ?ski, Iskrzycki, Iwanowski, IzbieÅ?ski, Izkrzycki, Jaka, Jakimowski, Jakka, Jaktorowski, Jakubowski, JamioÅ?owski, Jankowski, Jaroskowski, Jaroszkowski, JasieÅ?ski, JaszeÅ?ski, Jelec, Jemielski, JemioÅ?owski, Jeżewski, Jeżowski, Jurach, Juracha, Jurowski, KadÅ?ubek, Kalski, Kandzierzawski, Karczowski, Karsza, Karszewski, Karsznicki, KarÅ?nicki, Karterla, KaszliÅ?ski, Kaszuba, KaszyÅ?ski, Katerla, KÄ?sowski, Kobielski, Kodrembski, KodrÄ?bski, KodrÄ?pski, Konarzewski, Kontelli, KopeÄ?, Korbecki, Korotkiewicz, Koszyc, KoÅ?cierski, KoÅ?miderski, Kotkowski, KoźmiÅ?ski, KrÄ?pski, Królikowski, Krulikowski, Krzepicki, Kuczewski, Kuczowski, Kuncewicz, Kuniewicz, KuniÅ?ski, Kuparewicz, Kupcewicz, KurozwÄ?cki, Kurzewski, Lalewicz, Latkowski, LegaczyÅ?ski, Lipnicki, Lodorowski, LÅ?ciÅ?ski, Lubelczyk, Å?agiewnicki, Å?atkowski, Å?Ä?tkowski, Å?yszkowski, Madejski, Madeyski, Majaczewski, Majaczowski, Malina, MaÅ?yÅ?ski, Marzelewski, MÄ?ciÅ?ski, MÄ?czyÅ?ski, MichaÅ?owski, Mickiewicz, Mieciecki, Miezewicz, MigdaÅ?, Mikorski, MiÅ?oszowski, Mirucki, Mniszek, Mojaczewski, Motkowski, MuÅ?awski, Narbutowicz, Nidomski, Niechmierowski, Niechmirowski, Nieciecki, Niekmierowski, Nienadkiewicz, Niesiecki, NieznaÅ?ski, Nowicki, Nyra, Nyrtowt, OchoÅ?ski, Ordychowski, Paciorek, Paczorek, Paluszycki, PaÅ?uski, PaÅ?uszycki, Pampicki, Pantoszewski, Pauszycki, Pawszycki, PÄ?gowski, PerepeliÅ?ski, PÄ?pecki, PÄ?picki, Piorunowski, Piotrasz, Piroski, PÅ?askowicki, PÅ?askowiecki, PÅ?aszkiewicz, Podleski, Podlewski, PodÅ?Ä?ski, Pojodziewicz, Poleski, Poraj, Porajewski, Porajowski, Porajski, PorzeziÅ?ski, PrÄ?zewski, PrÄ?żewski, PrÄ?żowski, Przedborowski, Przepiórkowski, PrzyÅ?ubski, PrzyraÅ?ski, PstrokoÅ?ski, Pstrowski, PuÅ?aski, PuÅ?awski, Raczkowski, RadziÅ?ski, Rogaczowski, Roginicki, Rosen, Rozemberg, RożaÅ?ski, Rożecki, RożÄ?cki, Róża, RóżaÅ?ski, RóżÄ?cki, Różyc, Różycki, Ruczewski, Ruczowski, Rusiecki, RymgÅ?aj, Samproch, Setbeg, Siekierski, Siestrzewitowski, Skotnicki, Skrzetuszewski, Skwaroszewski, Skwiroszewski, Sobiekórski, Sobiekurski, Sobiesierski, Solski, Sromocki, Stanclewicz, Stanclewski, Suchecki, Suchocki, Sulski, Swinarski, SwiżyÅ?ski, Szatkowski, Szczerbicz, Szewczycki, SzuliÅ?ski, Szychucki, Å?wierzyÅ?ski, Å?winarski, Å?winiarski, Å?wirzyÅ?ski, Å?wiżyÅ?ski, TÅ?oszkiewicz, Tomuski, Tryniszewski, TrzebiÅ?ski, Tyniecki,Wawrzecki, Wazenberg, WÄ?grzycki, Werner, Weyss, Weyzenberg, WÄ?grzycki, Wielewiejski, Wielowiejski, Wienskowski, Wieszczycierowski, Wieszczyciorowski, Wilczek, WilczyÅ?ski, Wilkowski, Witkowski, Wodzianowski, Wodzijowski, Wodzinowski, WodzyÅ?ski, WojtkuÅ?ski, WrzesieÅ?ski, Wybranowski, Wydrychiewicz, ZakrzeÅ?ski, ZakrzyÅ?ski, ZaksiÅ?ski, ZakszeÅ?ski, ZakszyÅ?ski, ZaliÅ?ski, Zamojski, Zamoyski, ZawadyÅ?ski, ZbÅ?otnicki, Zbrożek, Zdzarowski, ZdzÄ?nicki, ZÅ?obnicki, Zwanowski, Zyrnicki, Å»dżarowski, Å»Å?obnicki, Å»oÅ?Ä?dziowski, Å»oÅ?Ä?dziowski
[quote]SexMachinepart2 wrote:
‘Like the squid (orion) covers his retreat in a cloud of ink’
- Absolute nonsense you pathetic man. You are sporting the coat of arms of a line of Polish nobility that goes back to the fucking 14th century! In order to sport that coat of arms you need to be the heir of the title. You’re claiming to be the heir to the Poraj title are you?
Wikipedia entry on Poraj coat of arms:
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First, it goes back to the 9th century, second, you do not get how this works even though it is written in the one sentence in your own link?
Really?
[quote]SexMachinepart2 wrote:
I have no idea what you’re talking about. You cannot use that coat of arms unless you are the holder of the title associated with it. Doesn’t matter if you’re from one of the families in the list you posted above.[/quote]
Polish nobility had no titles until the Polish-Lithuanian Commowealth was divided by Prussia, Austria and Russia.
The only reason why they are called “barons” in English is because they served roughly the same function as the English barons.
Since they had no real overlords, except for an elected king, they organized in groups of families that fought under the same banner and all of this started out with tribal affiliations.
Hence clans.
Also, if you had dug a bit deeper you would know that there was literally noone around that could have knighted the original Polish clans, because they are older than a united Poland.
Your whole idea of how this works simply does not apply.
Soooo, I think imma keep using it as long as I feel like it.
oh please, stop that.
i’m forced to agree with Orion, again.
This is not english nor french heraldry, but polish heraldry.
It’s indeed clanic.
In polish heraldry, a coat of arms does NOT belong to a single family, but to a (usually high) number of unrelated families.
see “rod” (clan) or Szlachta.
[quote]kamui wrote:
oh please, stop that.
i’m forced to agree with Orion, again.
This is not english nor french heraldry, but polish heraldry.
It’s indeed clanic.
In polish heraldry, a coat of arms does NOT belong to a single family, but to a (usually high) number of unrelated families.
see “rod” (clan) or Szlachta.
[/quote]
Hey, the “unrelated” part is disputed.
[quote]SexMachinepart2 wrote:
Don’t see how any of that relates to the right to bear the coat of arms.[/quote]
You belong to one of the families you get to use it?