[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
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I was just using FL’s example. I am guessing you have a black wife?[/quote]No, but people at my church do. I knew what you meant.
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Ok.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
You know, the one that is less cynical but thinks about the positive consequences of gay marriage.[/quote]
You mean less children to support the entitlement programs? How will I get paid my Gay Marriage benefits if there is no one to pay for them.
At least “the other side” is in demographic suicide mode at pretty close to 0 children per mother.[/quote]
Your stupidity knows no bounds. Gay people aren’t created from gay couples.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
anyway majority of NY State didn’t want it[/quote]
lol
[quote]Makavali wrote:<<< Your stupidity knows no bounds. >>>[/quote]What is with people who have to call other people stupid all the time? I actually think this forum attracts an unusually high % of intelligent folk even among those who vociferously disagree with me. You and I have uttered nary a single concurrence between us and I have never called you stupid because I don’t believe you are and neither is Chris. I’m not to play den mother here, but this bugs me.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
You know, the one that is less cynical but thinks about the positive consequences of gay marriage.[/quote]
You mean less children to support the entitlement programs? How will I get paid my Gay Marriage benefits if there is no one to pay for them.
At least “the other side” is in demographic suicide mode at pretty close to 0 children per mother.[/quote]
Your stupidity knows no bounds. Gay people aren’t created from gay couples.[/quote]
I thought it was genetic? People have been screaming so loud that it was biological and genetic, now it is not? For sake, how can I know the truth?
I wasn’t speaking on gay people specifically, although they help to bring down the birth rate considerably, I was speaking on the liberal minded people are having less and less children meaning less liberal minded people in the future.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
anyway majority of NY State didn’t want it[/quote]
lol[/quote]
Read the Bishop’s statement: Whispers in the Loggia: In New York, Marriage "Altered Radically and Forever"
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
You know, the one that is less cynical but thinks about the positive consequences of gay marriage.[/quote]
You mean less children to support the entitlement programs? How will I get paid my Gay Marriage benefits if there is no one to pay for them.
At least “the other side” is in demographic suicide mode at pretty close to 0 children per mother.[/quote]
Your stupidity knows no bounds. Gay people aren’t created from gay couples.[/quote]
I thought it was genetic? People have been screaming so loud that it was biological and genetic, now it is not? For sake, how can I know the truth?
I wasn’t speaking on gay people specifically, although they help to bring down the birth rate considerably, I was speaking on the liberal minded people are having less and less children meaning less liberal minded people in the future.[/quote]
The educational establishment and the media are controlled by liberal-minded people. They don’t necessarily have to produce future liberals themselves.
Gay people can marry now. Nothing else has changed. This is not “national suicide.” It will not have an appreciable effect on this country’s development through history. We will be ashes and dust long before dudes fucking other dudes could ever do anything to hurt us.
Please stop playing the doomsday trumpets for things like this, especially while our governments hold stockpiles of nuclear weapons capable of destroying the planet in its entirety and toss trillions of dollars around like its so much monopoly money. If this bill offends you…grow up. It offends my nephew too…he’s 13, and characteristically homophobic. Outgrow adolescence, get a life, and let other people live as they wish.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
We will be ashes and dust long before dudes fucking other dudes could ever do anything to hurt us.
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Perhaps the most honest example of the athestic-progressive mindset ever stated on this forum.
[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< This is not “national suicide.” It will not have an appreciable effect on this country’s development through history. >>>[/quote]It is the latest component in a national suicide that began in earnest in the 1960’s. It HAS AND IS having an appreciable effect. A devastating suicidal one. This country was built on the social/political/economic foundation of very limited public government through privately and voluntarily practiced Judeo-Christian morality.
Oh yes it was. Our founders clearly told us that. “The reason we can give you so few rules boys n girls is because you’re already so well behaved on the whole” to paraphrase in a nutshell. Even the total hypocritical pagans like Jefferson and Franklin clearly understood this.
The soil out of which new citizens grow is their family or lack thereof. Every single last issue killing this country is a direct consequence of that. The founders assumed that we would continue in the new testament model of one man and one woman for life wherein boundaries that engender self sacrifice, self control, decency, modesty and HONESTY in the act of upholding one’s vows because one’s word actually meant something. All of this was predicated upon the assumption that God designed it that way. That was the soil for new citizens they absolutely counted on for their experiment in self government to succeed and it did.
We skyrocketed into the most prosperous, powerful, feared and respected nation in all of human history over the course of a few generations BECAUSE despite our human foibles we were the most moral because we were the most Christian. Look at the soil our citizens are growing in now. Children of the hippies. Hedonistic, self obsessed, narcissistic, materialistic whores whose mission in life is bringing themselves the most pleasure in the most rapid fashion possible.
ALL the economic woes we are now in ARE, make no mistake, the consequence of the sexually moral degeneration of this nation’s citizenry resulting in the destruction of the foundational social unit upon which she was built and out of which her members are spawned. Even Stalin understood this. He told the world that the United Sates would never be defeated as long as she maintained her spirituality and hence MORality.
Wanna know what’s rotting this nation dead from the inside out like an oozing flesh eating virus? Go look in your Sex and the Male Animal forum. We will destroy OURSELVES to the snickering glee of our many enemies without a shot being fired, all in the name of getting laid. Gay marriage is just the latest chapter.
FYI-- The world has enough people! We should discourage procreation. The only people having kids in America are the poor and the Mormons anyway.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The soil out of which new citizens grow is their family or lack thereof. Every single last issue killing this country is a direct consequence of that. The founders assumed that we would continue in the new testament model of one man and one woman for life wherein boundaries that engender self sacrifice, self control, decency, modesty and HONESTY in the act of upholding one’s vows because one’s word actually meant something.
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These are certainly desirable qualities in a citizenry. They are also not exclusively the domain of heterosexual men and women.
EDIT: If we heterosexuals are so virtuous, perhaps we should be honest enough to admit that homosexuals exist, are our fellow citizens, and are not evil. We should be modest enough to understand that we cannot truly understand the forces at play behind the existence of homosexuality. We should be decent enough to eschew prejudice and social exclusion. And finally, if we truly cannot overcome our childish personal disgust at the thought of men having sex with each other, perhaps we should bite the bullet in self-sacrifice and stop whining about it.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
We skyrocketed into the most prosperous, powerful, feared and respected nation in all of human history over the course of a few generations BECAUSE despite our human foibles we were the most moral because we were the most Christian.[/quote]
You skyrocketed into a powerful nation because you had cheap human labor you dickhead. Don’t you fucking forget it.
[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< If we heterosexuals are so virtuous, >>>[/quote]You’re smarter than this. That is not what I said. Heterosexual hedonism has been and IS, far and away more destructive than homosexuality if for no other reason than sheer numbers. Gay marriage is simply a natural step in devaluing THE single component that most accounted for our rise and is now the direct cause of our fall. Gays can do what they want. I will not be kicking their doors down, but DO NOT attempt to sell that to me as marriage or a family. Reread the whole post please. All of it is required to get the message.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
We skyrocketed into the most prosperous, powerful, feared and respected nation in all of human history over the course of a few generations BECAUSE despite our human foibles we were the most moral because we were the most Christian.[/quote]
You skyrocketed into a powerful nation because you had cheap human labor you dickhead. Don’t you fucking forget it.
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Ahh, well that explains both our ascent and decent.
I guess we can look to Bangladesh, Jordan and Sri Lanka as the next Big Three superpowers, then.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I will not be kicking their doors down, but DO NOT attempt to sell that to me as marriage or a family.
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Fair enough. I actually have never really cared all that much for gay marriage anyway. Probably because I myself have no interest in marriage, at least not at the moment. I’m happy for them, but in the end married or civil unionized never bothered me as long as people could be equal in the eyes of the law.
[quote]smh23 wrote:<<< as long as people could be equal in the eyes of the law.[/quote]You are really missin it man. It is not possible for every morality to be equal in the eyes of ANY system of law. By definition. One man’s freedom is another man’s abomination. We were largely united for a time around a common view of what did and did not constitute right and wrong in the areas of marriage, family and sex.
While that persisted the preponderance of our children saw at least an attempt at the qualities I listed on the previous page and when mom and or dad fell short society at large informed Junior, as painful as it was that they were wrong.
THAT IS GONE. Do you hear me? Gone. Once the foundation is shattered what difference does it make if you lie, cheat, steal or even KILL. I live in Detroit pal, I see everyday the consequences of what I’m talkin about. Children who will blow your brains out without a second thought for your Nikes.
Again, gay marriage is the latest chapter, a symptom of the overall degeneration of morality in this country. It’s not even the worst or most dangerous. A symptom. It is NOT progress. It is perversion and another nail in our coffin lid.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
We skyrocketed into the most prosperous, powerful, feared and respected nation in all of human history over the course of a few generations BECAUSE despite our human foibles we were the most moral because we were the most Christian.[/quote]
You skyrocketed into a powerful nation because you had cheap human labor you dickhead. Don’t you fucking forget it.
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No more so many than other industrialized nations and in fact quite a bit less than most.
I heard there was going to be a polygamous march in the streets of NYC this summer. Well, you can’t really blame them how unfair for NY to ignore these people. The state legislature must be filled with bigots.
Which state will be the first to legalize Polygamist marriage? As the judges and legislatures continue the thwart the will of the people
Next frontier? Polygamists demand multi-sex marriage
Activists: New Hampshire plan embeds bigotry into state law
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A polygamy advocacy organization says the New Hampshire law that is intended to assure “equal access to marriage” for all instead specifically embeds in state statutes bigotry against polygamists.
According to a statement posted on the Pro-Polygamy website, when on Wednesday New Hampshire “became the sixth U.S. State to codify the legal construction of same sex marriage,” it was hailed by homosexuals as a “civil rights victory.”
“Declaring that the new law advances fairness and equality for all, they proclaimed that New Hampshire had supposedly ‘ended discrimination’ for everyone,” the statement said.
“But the law did no such thing. Rather, it intentionally ‘discriminates’ against consenting adult polygamists â?? indeed, on purpose,” the organization said.
The fact that polygamists, and indeed those with other sexual proclivities, would use the same “civil rights” and “equality” arguments forwarded by homosexuals seeking “marriage” rights has been predicted for years.
“Polygamists, and those who have a polygamous ‘orientation,’ have been ‘singled out’ by these provisions for much more severe treatment than merely denial of favored status… The court’s disposition today suggests that these provisions are unconstitutional; and that polygamy must be permitted in these states… â?? unless, of course, polygamists for some reason have fewer constitutional rights than homosexuals,” Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in 1996.
That came in a U.S. Supreme Court opinion quashing the decision of Colorado voters who decided there should be a constitutional provision providing, “No Protected Status Based on Homosexual, Lesbian, or Bisexual Orientation.”
The court majority there decided Colorado voters were guilty of “impermissible targeting” of a “class” of people.