Anti-Emo Street Riots

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The way I see it,this was inevitable. Throughout history of pop culture,theres always going to be clashes between cliches and sub groups. Mods vs Rockers,Metal Heads vs Punks,Jocks vs Nerds,and ect., This is all going to die down before we know it. Just chill out and enjoy the show.

Id liek to point something out however. Since Emo origniated from America and spread down to Mexico,its safe to assume that Mexico bascially ahs the same pop culture and socail attitudes as America,Right? Well,I figured that since the Media repressed any kind of Machismo attitude or influence that kids in Mexico have to release their feelings and aggressions on something and since Emos are as un-macho as you can geet then its pretty safe to say that they brung it on themselves. Hey,atleast they got a good reason to be depress now. Everybody wins!

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I wish my lawn was emo, then it’d cut itself.

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[quote]mr_slick wrote:
Hey,atleast they got a good reason to be depress now. Everybody wins![/quote]

I’ll argue modern teens have good reason to be depressed. They’re at an age where they crave power and self-determination, their brains on any scan you put them through are indistinguishable from those of adults, and our society seems obsessed with controlling them, disempowering them, and at the same time robbing them of all personal responsibility.

“With no power comes no responsibility.” – Clerks II

Then we wonder why they do bizarre things like “go Emo”, join gangs, shoot up schools, and so on.

It’s like the articles on prison training here on T-Nation. The prisoners who take up training are the least troublesome for the guards. Why? They’re in a completely controlled environment with zero freedom, but still have one outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

Children in sports programs tend to be less trouble through their teen years than children and teens with sedentary lifestyles. Why? They have an outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

We surround our youth with restricting rules, curfews, censorship, age-restrictions of all sorts, rob them of any responsibility for their actions, and they respond in exactly the same way as any adult would under similar conditions – they rebel.

Their problems can be as simple as “getting a job”. There’s a successful youth rehab program in my city where they take first-time offenders and help them find power in their own lives.

One kid’s parents were flabbergasted as to why their teen joined a gang and started selling drugs. When interviewed they found the kid was surrounded by "not allowed"s. Why can’t he get his parents to buy his clothing of choice? “Not allowed” to wear those clothes.

They asked why he didn’t get a job for money. His answer? “Not allowed” to get a job.

The program brought in the parents, got them to give “permission” for their son to get a job, and a year later he was still keeping his nose clean.

Give a person “permission” to do the things necessary for healthy self-esteem and they come out alright. What a concept.

If I had to grow up in a society and school system full of “zero tolerance” policies where things like tag and cartwheels were banned at recess, and first-grade boys were expelled for kissing girls, where I’d have to be locked up at home with my parents by 10pm until my 21st birthday, I’d probably have turned out emo too.

It’s not just teenagers either. Depression rates are steadily increasing in the Western world across all demographics. “Emo” is just the teenage expression of that.

ElbowStrike

EDIT: Not to mention being raised on a modern diet chock full of high GI carbs, omega-6’s, and completely devoid of omega-3’s. That’s got to do a number on a person’s mental health.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I stand by my assertion that the emo scene is harmful to kids. My younger cousin is starting to get into that way of dressing and the whole emo attitude, and it’s not a good thing, that’s for sure. Like many other trends in the past, emo encourages kids to blame everyone else for their problems, whine about anything they don’t like, and then do nothing to fix it.

It’s a trend that tells kids to be lazy, and do nothing to help society, and instead focus on what everyone thinks of you; after all, that’s the most important thing, right? In a way it’s the epitome of modern American culture. That is bad. [/quote]

Exactly, I know a few kids and this description is to a T. They’re quitters that blame everyone else for their problems. I was 5’6" and 115 pounds at 15. I wanted to get big and strong. So I lifted. Now I’m 5’7" 202 and pretty strong. This path gave me interests and friends and has allowed me and given me the opportunity to do some very interesting things. things.

Or I could have been a whiny little bitch and painted my nails and dyed my hair pink. I’ll chose my way

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
mr_slick wrote:
Hey,atleast they got a good reason to be depress now. Everybody wins!

I’ll argue modern teens have good reason to be depressed. They’re at an age where they crave power and self-determination, their brains on any scan you put them through are indistinguishable from those of adults, and our society seems obsessed with controlling them, disempowering them, and at the same time robbing them of all personal responsibility.

“With no power comes no responsibility.” – Clerks II

Then we wonder why they do bizarre things like “go Emo”, join gangs, shoot up schools, and so on.

It’s like the articles on prison training here on T-Nation. The prisoners who take up training are the least troublesome for the guards. Why? They’re in a completely controlled environment with zero freedom, but still have one outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

Children in sports programs tend to be less trouble through their teen years than children and teens with sedentary lifestyles. Why? They have an outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

We surround our youth with restricting rules, curfews, censorship, age-restrictions of all sorts, rob them of any responsibility for their actions, and they respond in exactly the same way as any adult would under similar conditions – they rebel.

Their problems can be as simple as “getting a job”. There’s a successful youth rehab program in my city where they take first-time offenders and help them find power in their own lives.

One kid’s parents were flabbergasted as to why their teen joined a gang and started selling drugs. When interviewed they found the kid was surrounded by "not allowed"s. Why can’t he get his parents to buy his clothing of choice? “Not allowed” to wear those clothes.

They asked why he didn’t get a job for money. His answer? “Not allowed” to get a job.

The program brought in the parents, got them to give “permission” for their son to get a job, and a year later he was still keeping his nose clean.

Give a person “permission” to do the things necessary for healthy self-esteem and they come out alright. What a concept.

If I had to grow up in a society and school system full of “zero tolerance” policies where things like tag and cartwheels were banned at recess, and first-grade boys were expelled for kissing girls, where I’d have to be locked up at home with my parents by 10pm until my 21st birthday, I’d probably have turned out emo too.

It’s not just teenagers either. Depression rates are steadily increasing in the Western world across all demographics. “Emo” is just the teenage expression of that.

ElbowStrike

EDIT: Not to mention being raised on a modern diet chock full of high GI carbs, omega-6’s, and completely devoid of omega-3’s. That’s got to do a number on a person’s mental health.[/quote]

Wrong, these kids are just lazy. Very few parents i know would not allow a job, sports, or other activities. The kids just want a lazy ass way of being different and superior. they want to stand out by way of a stupid haircut, not by the fruits of their efforts.

It’s a lot easier to pain your nails than get an A, improve your body, or actually master a skill. It’s not the parents, it’s the kids.

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[quote]streamline wrote:
You all sound like my parents talking about rock’n roller, then the punker. Also my generation about rappers. Grow the fuck up, who the hell are you to judge others.[/quote]

This non judgment stuff is hilarious. How do you make an informed decision without some reference point, IE, judgment. Self indulgent pity me , narcissistic behavior is not positive and does little for these kids.

It’s just another case of look at me, but I don’t want to have to work for anything.I know these kids and they are lazy asses.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
Exactly, I know a few kids and this description is to a T. They’re quitters that blame everyone else for their problems. I was 5’6" and 115 pounds at 15. I wanted to get big and strong. So I lifted. Now I’m 5’7" 202 and pretty strong. This path gave me interests and friends and has allowed me and given me the opportunity to do some very interesting things.
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^^^ My point exactly.

Minus blaming the kids. Their parents could be all kinds of dysfunctional and abusive for all we know.

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Yes it screams it at the top of its lungs. Everyone on here KNOWS and agrees that it’s retarded to beat/attempt to lynch/ riot over crap like this. But that’s not going to stop me from making fun of it, and emo kids in general.

Hobbes—“I suppose if we couldn’t laugh at things that don’t make sense, we couldn’t react to a lot of life”

I really like ranting. It gives me an outlet. This is not aimed at you Elbow, but I’m really freaking tired of everybody telling people not to be “judgmental” or to shut up when someone starts a rant. It’s just a way of releasing steam. It’s not like it points to some inherent mental problem that people who rant have. It doesn’t freaking matter if its stupid–if you can’t let steam off by laughing with/at, or ranting at, things because it’s “not allowed” then what do you do? You go cause real trouble.

I’m going to continue to rant and “posture” and “threaten violence” and be “immature” because it keeps me sane. Then AFTER I’m done mocking everyone and blowing off steam, I can have a real discussion about real issues.

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I would disown my children if they dressed like that. For those that don’t know what ‘emo’ is about, imagine all the worst character traits a person could posess, roll them into an 110 pound package, and make them wear stupid shit and listen to terrible music. Just to make sure you didn’t miss anything, be sure they’re hyper-elitist and narcissistic.

If not for the ‘fighting=expulsion’ rules that are enforced at pretty much every high school now, this stuff wouldn’t exist.

Oh, and I love how not acting like a little girl is considered ‘macho’ behavior nowadays, whatever that means.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
ElbowStrike wrote:
mr_slick wrote:
Hey,atleast they got a good reason to be depress now. Everybody wins!

I’ll argue modern teens have good reason to be depressed. They’re at an age where they crave power and self-determination, their brains on any scan you put them through are indistinguishable from those of adults, and our society seems obsessed with controlling them, disempowering them, and at the same time robbing them of all personal responsibility.

“With no power comes no responsibility.” – Clerks II

Then we wonder why they do bizarre things like “go Emo”, join gangs, shoot up schools, and so on.

It’s like the articles on prison training here on T-Nation. The prisoners who take up training are the least troublesome for the guards. Why? They’re in a completely controlled environment with zero freedom, but still have one outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

Children in sports programs tend to be less trouble through their teen years than children and teens with sedentary lifestyles. Why? They have an outlet for empowerment and self-determination.

We surround our youth with restricting rules, curfews, censorship, age-restrictions of all sorts, rob them of any responsibility for their actions, and they respond in exactly the same way as any adult would under similar conditions – they rebel.

Their problems can be as simple as “getting a job”. There’s a successful youth rehab program in my city where they take first-time offenders and help them find power in their own lives.

One kid’s parents were flabbergasted as to why their teen joined a gang and started selling drugs. When interviewed they found the kid was surrounded by "not allowed"s. Why can’t he get his parents to buy his clothing of choice? “Not allowed” to wear those clothes.

They asked why he didn’t get a job for money. His answer? “Not allowed” to get a job.

The program brought in the parents, got them to give “permission” for their son to get a job, and a year later he was still keeping his nose clean.

Give a person “permission” to do the things necessary for healthy self-esteem and they come out alright. What a concept.

If I had to grow up in a society and school system full of “zero tolerance” policies where things like tag and cartwheels were banned at recess, and first-grade boys were expelled for kissing girls, where I’d have to be locked up at home with my parents by 10pm until my 21st birthday, I’d probably have turned out emo too.

It’s not just teenagers either. Depression rates are steadily increasing in the Western world across all demographics. “Emo” is just the teenage expression of that.

ElbowStrike

EDIT: Not to mention being raised on a modern diet chock full of high GI carbs, omega-6’s, and completely devoid of omega-3’s. That’s got to do a number on a person’s mental health.

Wrong, these kids are just lazy. Very few parents i know would not allow a job, sports, or other activities. The kids just want a lazy ass way of being different and superior. they want to stand out by way of a stupid haircut, not by the fruits of their efforts.

It’s a lot easier to pain your nails than get an A, improve your body, or actually master a skill. It’s not the parents, it’s the kids.[/quote]

I agree 100% with BOTH of you. Elbow, that post makes a lot of sense. tom63, you’re 100% correct too. It’s never just one or the other. I tend to blame the kids, because when it comes down to it the only person responsible for the direction you choose is YOURSELF, but it’s true that the reasons Elbow alluded to play a definite role as well. When society tells you nothing is your fault, guess what the dominate influence is? You get lazy and become a “victim”. And/or rebel.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
Minus blaming the kids. Their parents could be all kinds of dysfunctional and abusive for all we know.[/quote]

Are you talking about the emo kids’ parents being the abusive ones? I can’t imagine the abuse you would endure if your parents hit you and you dressed like that. Emo kids are usually from wealthy, supportive, pussy families who pay for their designer clothes and are afraid to let their kid know that he/she looks like a bag of douche.

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[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Exactly, I know a few kids and this description is to a T. They’re quitters that blame everyone else for their problems. I was 5’6" and 115 pounds at 15. I wanted to get big and strong. So I lifted. Now I’m 5’7" 202 and pretty strong. This path gave me interests and friends and has allowed me and given me the opportunity to do some very interesting things.

^^^ My point exactly.

Minus blaming the kids. Their parents could be all kinds of dysfunctional and abusive for all we know.[/quote]

It’s really doubtful that the majority of these emo kids have dysfunctional or abusive parents, even though some no doubt do.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
streamline wrote:
You all sound like my parents talking about rock’n roller, then the punker. Also my generation about rappers. Grow the fuck up, who the hell are you to judge others.[/quote]

Apply your own bloody logic. Who are YOU to judge US? You can’t make that assertion without applying a superior judgement over us, so either recant the statement or recant your stance that judgement in general is bad.

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This non judgment stuff is hilarious. How do you make an informed decision without some reference point, IE, judgment. Self indulgent pity me , narcissistic behavior is not positive and does little for these kids.[/quote]

Ditto that. Every. single. decision. in life is made with a reference point. The question is not whether to judge, the question is what is the correct judgement.

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[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Are you talking about the emo kids’ parents being the abusive ones? I can’t imagine the abuse you would endure if your parents hit you and you dressed like that. Emo kids are usually from wealthy, supportive, pussy families who pay for their designer clothes and are afraid to let their kid know that he/she looks like a bag of douche.[/quote]

Abuse is a broad category and includes a hell of a lot more than physical violence.

Neglect is the least obvious and probably the most prevalent form of child abuse in the West.

Instead of actually getting to know their kids, teach them something useful about life, and make them an essential, responsible part of the family unit, these “wealthy, supportive, pussy families” choose to let the mall and daddy’s credit card do their raising for them.

They more often than not have all the outward signs of a well-off family, but the parents are both at work 40-50 hours a week and emotionally unavailable when they actually are home.

Then there’s the 50% divorce rate and you’ve got kids dealing with the issues that go with that, along with two full-time employed parents using the kid as a pawn in their mud-slinging… overall fucked up.

But hey, they have designer clothes so they obviously have nothing to complain about, right?

ElbowStrike

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
tom63 wrote:
streamline wrote:
You all sound like my parents talking about rock’n roller, then the punker. Also my generation about rappers. Grow the fuck up, who the hell are you to judge others.

Apply your own bloody logic. Who are YOU to judge US? You can’t make that assertion without applying a superior judgement over us, so either recant the statement or recant your stance that judgement in general is bad.

This non judgment stuff is hilarious. How do you make an informed decision without some reference point, IE, judgment. Self indulgent pity me , narcissistic behavior is not positive and does little for these kids.

Ditto that. Every. single. decision. in life is made with a reference point. The question is not whether to judge, the question is what is the correct judgement.

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I don’t think my statement made a judgement against anyone. Your attitude toward someone with different values and views, however, off the wall they maybe simply reminds me of the bullshit of past generations.

Hippies didn’t work, blamed the establishment for all their problems, grew long hair, did drugs, never bathed etc. Punkers were pretty much the same but in their own individual way, their way of finding an identity different from their parents.

If blame has to be passed I would suggest checking out the parents and the way they were raised their kids. I’m not saying it’s the parents fault, I don’t really care. Everyone was the right to express themselves in the way they wish. Just as you do, however it becomes a hate crime when the suggection of violence against a group of people for what ever reason.

My point was every generation seems to find fault with the youth of the next generation. If one looks at stats, for all they are worth parents spend thirty second day talking to their kids, now thats a concern.

Dislike anyone you choose to, but you do not have the right to prevent them from living their lifes the way they choose to. There is a difference between freedom of speech and the infrigment on someones or some groups right to live without persecution.

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Lol how appropriate, mexican emos.

The balloon says:
“Hey turn up the DeathCab and pass me the Nachos”

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hey! its like rocky horror picture show in spanish!

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Does every fucking thread have to turn into some politically correct, oh booh hoo, bitch fest?

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Yes because this is now www.PCgheynation.com