Anti Depressants and Antidiuretic Hormone

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I know some people really struggle with depression and don’t hate or think poorly of anyone who has to be medicated.

For me though I have had shitty times and good times, I just feel that is part of life. Never been on any medication for depression and will never if I can help it. To me being depressed is just a natural thing for any human being who lives a fairly long life. Life fucking sucks sometimes. Or maybe I am just on so many other drugs it keeps me perpetually insane =D.[/quote]

Normal upset, sad, angry reactions to unsettling life events is a normal part of human behavior and should be expected. This inst Depression in the clinical / medical sense.

Over-reactions to these events, or smaller inconsequential events, or no events at all is not normal. Suicidal Ideations, feelings of extreme guilt, anxiety and being unable to perform normal run of the mill activities is depression and is not natural nor should it be part of life.

Being Depressed is not being sad, its like equating the common cold to pneumonia, there might be some basic similarities but the latter is definitely not going to go away with sleep and chicken soup.
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Oh I know I am not denying some people are affected very differently and more severely.

I am curious though as to why. Why all of a sudden is it so frequently diagnosed and seems like so many are on anti D drugs. I assume for years well since human inception it just went unnoticed. Or either they just dealt with it or perished I assume.[/quote]

I think about it myself too. I would think that some of these hopeless souls were so bad off they were wrongfully diagnosed and sent to some fucked up asylum. Some offed themselves not understanding what the hell is going on, and many just dealt with it and took it simply as “life” and how they simply are. I think we are only now realizing how serious true clinical depression is, and perhaps when its mentioned medical professionals either go the route of ahhh your depressed, take this and youll feel better because its still misunderstood. Unfortunately this happens to often when there should be so many steps to take before taking meds, that often isnt. Being on this stuff for almost as long as you have been alive I also realized that at a young age I was too willing to take it just to stop the pain (melodramatic I know but true) and unfortunately docs were too willing to give it to me. Now fast forward 20 years later and Its still a big part of my life.

sorry for the rambling

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I know some people really struggle with depression and don’t hate or think poorly of anyone who has to be medicated.

For me though I have had shitty times and good times, I just feel that is part of life. Never been on any medication for depression and will never if I can help it. To me being depressed is just a natural thing for any human being who lives a fairly long life. Life fucking sucks sometimes. Or maybe I am just on so many other drugs it keeps me perpetually insane =D.[/quote]

Normal upset, sad, angry reactions to unsettling life events is a normal part of human behavior and should be expected. This inst Depression in the clinical / medical sense.

Over-reactions to these events, or smaller inconsequential events, or no events at all is not normal. Suicidal Ideations, feelings of extreme guilt, anxiety and being unable to perform normal run of the mill activities is depression and is not natural nor should it be part of life.

Being Depressed is not being sad, its like equating the common cold to pneumonia, there might be some basic similarities but the latter is definitely not going to go away with sleep and chicken soup.
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Oh I know I am not denying some people are affected very differently and more severely.

I am curious though as to why. Why all of a sudden is it so frequently diagnosed and seems like so many are on anti D drugs. I assume for years well since human inception it just went unnoticed. Or either they just dealt with it or perished I assume.[/quote]

I think that the vast, vast majority of the population had to work too long and too hard to survive to get depressed. They weren’t happier that way, they were just too tired and too numb. Their body chemistry was in survival mode.

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[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MattyXL wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:
I know some people really struggle with depression and don’t hate or think poorly of anyone who has to be medicated.

For me though I have had shitty times and good times, I just feel that is part of life. Never been on any medication for depression and will never if I can help it. To me being depressed is just a natural thing for any human being who lives a fairly long life. Life fucking sucks sometimes. Or maybe I am just on so many other drugs it keeps me perpetually insane =D.[/quote]

Normal upset, sad, angry reactions to unsettling life events is a normal part of human behavior and should be expected. This inst Depression in the clinical / medical sense.

Over-reactions to these events, or smaller inconsequential events, or no events at all is not normal. Suicidal Ideations, feelings of extreme guilt, anxiety and being unable to perform normal run of the mill activities is depression and is not natural nor should it be part of life.

Being Depressed is not being sad, its like equating the common cold to pneumonia, there might be some basic similarities but the latter is definitely not going to go away with sleep and chicken soup.
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Oh I know I am not denying some people are affected very differently and more severely.

I am curious though as to why. Why all of a sudden is it so frequently diagnosed and seems like so many are on anti D drugs. I assume for years well since human inception it just went unnoticed. Or either they just dealt with it or perished I assume.[/quote]

I think that the vast, vast majority of the population had to work too long and too hard to survive to get depressed. They weren’t happier that way, they were just too tired and too numb. Their body chemistry was in survival mode. [/quote]

There might be something to that, after WWII that stuff was practically unheard of in Germany or Austria.

Its the psychological equivalent of Cuba where rates of CHDs and diabetes and whatnot went down because people had little to eat and had to walk all of a sudden.

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I think how you talk to yourself plays a big role. Being on anti-depressants makes it much easier to have cynical/negative thoughts and not feel the effects of them.

I worked with someone who was on them. He had a tendency to be arrogant, opinionated and pretty cynical. He would often give some strong negative political or social commentary that would leave me thinking “if you weren’t on that stuff…”. I don’t believe depression builds up over night. I think it is the results of long term negative affirmations that most don’t realize they practice and at some point you just cave in.

I don’t believe chemical intervention is never needed however. But I still think attitude is everything in the long run.

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I think there is interesting posts in this thread.

I think depression is a sign that your attitude toward life is not good and that you really need to change it. I don’t mean attitude like pretending to be happy, force yourself to smile in the workplace but attitude as in your global view of life and how you process things in your brain.

Your attitude, how you view life and how you process it in your brain, is everything. No one knows what life is about and everyone see things differently. You could be living a completely different life as a different person with other interests and concerns, in another time and place. I think we need to keep our mind open.

Hope that wasn’t too spacy.

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If someone can cure himself by just “changing his attitude”, he didn’t have depression in the first place. If people with depression could just think themselves happy or talk themselves happy, don’t you think they would do it?

There have been studies showing that the kind of positive self-talk that a lot of people who are trying to be helpful suggest to depressives can actually make their depression worse.

A lot of people confuse ordinary downs with depression. Depression has very little to do with just feeling down or with sadness. A lot of people who have serious depression are not even sad. They have mental pain that is completely unrelated to sadness.

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[quote]seekonk wrote:
If someone can cure himself by just “changing his attitude”, he didn’t have depression in the first place. If people with depression could just think themselves happy or talk themselves happy, don’t you think they would do it?

There have been studies showing that the kind of positive self-talk that a lot of people who are trying to be helpful suggest to depressives can actually make their depression worse.

A lot of people confuse ordinary downs with depression. Depression has very little to do with just feeling down or with sadness. A lot of people who have serious depression are not even sad. They have mental pain that is completely unrelated to sadness.

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Well said. Like I said before comparing depression to being sad or down is like comparing a cold to pneumonia. I agree with all of the above, while positive thinking and change of perspective can be a tool, if it really were that easy it would be much of less of a problem.

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[quote]seekonk wrote:
A lot of people who have serious depression are not even sad. They have mental pain that is completely unrelated to sadness.

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Your whole post was spot-on. This part is something very few people realize.

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Sertraline ( Zoloft ) = gained weight on it

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Look into getting your b12 and folate levels tested, even without being anemic it can cause a lot of symptoms of depression… methyl b12, and methyl folate will help re balance the system if that is the case.

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[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Look into getting your b12 and folate levels tested, even without being anemic it can cause a lot of symptoms of depression… methyl b12, and methyl folate will help re balance the system if that is the case. [/quote]

Good call - any vitamin/amino deficiency can manifest symptoms of depression though.

And I take a B-complex 3 times a day, fish oil, aminos (especially tyrosine and tryptophan).

Some people just have a neurochemical misfire somewhere in the genetic code I guess.

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[quote]theBeth wrote:

[quote]cstratton2 wrote:
Look into getting your b12 and folate levels tested, even without being anemic it can cause a lot of symptoms of depression… methyl b12, and methyl folate will help re balance the system if that is the case. [/quote]

Good call - any vitamin/amino deficiency can manifest symptoms of depression though.

And I take a B-complex 3 times a day, fish oil, aminos (especially tyrosine and tryptophan).

Some people just have a neurochemical misfire somewhere in the genetic code I guess.[/quote]

There is a lot of studies, and practices about something called methylation pathways… It talks about DNA code mutations and how methylation traps produce various different physical and psychological effects… There is also gene testing you can get done to see which mutations you may have… From there it is just finding a specific supplement protocol to get the supplements your body might not be producing as well on its own. For example some people may issues absorbing niacin and vitamin b6 regardless of diet. I would check into it, pretty interesting stuff and may help… http://mthfr.net/ theres the site. The findings was originally intended for treating autism but branched out with further tools that almost anyone can look into, and a quick gene test is only 99$. Also when you use supplements try and use the more bio available forms so that you get higher rate of absorption, also some forms can bypass the digestive tract… If someone has a bacterial infection like H Ployri, or Parastic infection this can create a lot of malnourishment even with adequate nutrition which I feel is what happened in my case.

I for one was running a severe b12 deficency for a while that gave me all kinds of weird issues, didn’t peg it down till some neurological things started happening though, if I waited too long I could have had permenant damage… For me I had to get a series of b12 intramuscular shots to bring my levels back up, sometimes if you are extremely deficient you need way higher doses then basic multi vitamins offer. Also you can check into thyroid health but ask for reverse T3 testing, and maybe a 24 hour cortisol test that checks vit D… sometimes with prolonged stress or medication side effects it can change your endocrine system a bit until you work on correcting it… hypo thyroid issues from excessive adrenal stress is common but it wouldn’t be severe enough to show up on most standard thyroid tests, also reversible once you correct the imbalances going on. Also maybe check into heavy metals or other toxins that could be in your system… High levels of mercury for example can create a lot of mental and cognitive changes

If its the type of depression that could be related to your world view you could always look into DBT or CBT therapy. It helps to see the sticking points or unresolved issues that are making you stressed/depressed. Emotional suppression or a period of grieving that wasn’t met fully before can manifest as depression and with physical symptoms as well…

Heres an interesting article on Low T3