Another Ft. Hood Muslim Terror Plot

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:
Gettinitdone speakin my thoughts exactly.

I know one devout muslim very well (and a couple more not as well) and he’s real unhappy about Islam being used to justify violence. Cause it gives the whole group a bad name. Islam means peaceful submission to God. And one of their most important messengers from God is Jesus… Pretty sure you can’t properly justify violence in any religion where that guy is included…

[quote]Sexmachine wrote:

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:

As long as there is poverty there will always be violence and terror.
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Yet studies have proved that most Al Qaeda terrorists are educated, upper-middle class and likely to have a university degree. [/quote]

And these Al Qaeda terrorists live in poor countries where they are among a more powerful minority. They’re not complete idiots (even though they are idiots). They can surely see the poverty around them.[/quote]

Seriously…? You get an ‘F’. ‘F’ for ‘fail’.[/quote]

Nothing else to say?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Christian fundamentalists and crazy orthodox Jews aren’t a threat to world peace.[/quote]

There are some notable Jewish terrorists.

And I shouldn’t even have to put any Christians up here after the attacks in Norway…
That guy wrote something along the lines of being in a “fight for Judeo-Christian world” that might not be exact but the sentiment is there.

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Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

I wonder if I started a thread and listed Islamic terrorists how many pages it would run into? You know when I think that Islamists have used children and mongoloids as suicide bombers and sent suicide bombers to the funerals of people mourning the deaths of suicide bomb victims it makes the mind boggle.

This sickie made a ‘body bomb’ from a disembowled corpse and blew up the victim’s families when they went to retrieve it. Their Emir was the leader of the plot:

BTW - What have alleged Jewish and alleged Christian terrorists have to do with the subject of this thread?[/quote]

Actually Goldstein shot and killed 29 muslims and injured 125 who were worshipping inside a mosque. The attack is known as the cave of patriarchs massacre. “Eventually, Goldstein was overcome and beaten to death by survivors of the massacre.” So yeah, disarmed… but pretty sure you’d have done the same…

And Eden Natan Zada killed four and injured 22… then the crowd killed him…

And they have to do with this thread because you brought it up to give the impression that only islamic terrorists are real… Kudos for sticking to your point through this though.

The KKK used to use Christianity to justify their actions all the time… I`d say terrorists.

And the only ones who get publicized are the Muslims anyway… because currently they are the enemy of the “West”

Before it was anything and everything communist, but that has died down quite a bit. But a religion is harder to measure… Easier to convince that the enemy is still trying to hurt you.

Also, I agree that what people do and have done is sick and heartless. but it has never been only one group. It’s always and will always be from all religions and belief systems that are open to interpretation.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

Actually Goldstein shot and killed 29 muslims and injured 125 who were worshipping inside a mosque.
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Did he? Who says? The only witnesses were the people who murdered him then went on to murder another 9 Jews. I reckon he was attacked first and acted in self defence. I have read a great deal about the incident.

No I didn’t. You did.

Right-o.

Cheers.

Point? Relevance? KKK is aligned with Islamists and David Duke speaks at Islamic holocaust denial conferences.

Yes and the moon is made of green cheese.

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Before it was anything and everything communist, but that has died down quite a bit. But a religion is harder to measure… Easier to convince that the enemy is still trying to hurt you.

Also, I agree that what people do and have done is sick and heartless. but it has never been only one group. It’s always and will always be from all religions and belief systems that are open to interpretation. [/quote]

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Christian fundamentalists and crazy orthodox Jews aren’t a threat to world peace.[/quote]

This is you bringing it up, i think.

and to clarify, because you have seem to have lost track of I’ve been responding to the following posts:

[quote]You don’t understand, he’s not a ‘real Muslim’. Let me explain about these people who aren’t ‘real Muslims’.

  1. They profess to be Muslims and are devout followers of the Islamic faith.

  2. They claim to be Muslims.

  3. They claim Islamic justification for their plans/attacks.

But they’re not ‘real Muslims’. See?[/quote]

In the context of these two quotes my comment about the KKK is relevant.

And I’m pretty sure the 150+ people that Goldstein shot are some sort of proof that he… shot them… and 150 seems like a lot in self defence… maybe that’s just me… Though I don’t own an automatic rifle…

And since you’ve informed yourself on the incident, you must know that the other nine Jews were killed in the riot immediately following the massacre, in which there were another 20 something Palestinians killed…

And you’re dismissing everything else for what seems like no reason… I’m confused as to why you participate in any thread at all if you’re just going to make a point then say no without thought. I legitimately want to know your side of things, I do not mean to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I’d prefer a discussion.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Christian fundamentalists and crazy orthodox Jews aren’t a threat to world peace.[/quote]

This is you bringing it up, i think.

and to clarify, because you have seem to have lost track of I’ve been responding to the following posts:

[quote]You don’t understand, he’s not a ‘real Muslim’. Let me explain about these people who aren’t ‘real Muslims’.

  1. They profess to be Muslims and are devout followers of the Islamic faith.

  2. They claim to be Muslims.

  3. They claim Islamic justification for their plans/attacks.

But they’re not ‘real Muslims’. See?[/quote]

In the context of these two quotes my comment about the KKK is relevant.

And I’m pretty sure the 150+ people that Goldstein shot are some sort of proof that he… shot them… and 150 seems like a lot in self defence… maybe that’s just me… Though I don’t own an automatic rifle…

And since you’ve informed yourself on the incident, you must know that the other nine Jews were killed in the riot immediately following the massacre, in which there were another 20 something Palestinians killed…

And you’re dismissing everything else for what seems like no reason… I’m confused as to why you participate in any thread at all if you’re just going to make a point then say no without thought. I legitimately want to know your side of things, I do not mean to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I’d prefer a discussion.[/quote]

I AM discussing! This is a thread about ANOTHER STEALTH ISLAMIST TERRORIST within the fucking US Army! What else is there to discuss? WTF has the Baruch Goldstein’s murder in Israel 17 years ago got to do with anything? Seriously. Is this the level of debate I can continue to expect at PWI?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Is this the level of debate I can continue to expect at PWI?[/quote]

Yes. You’re lucky you aren’t being forced to start at the Crusades, moving up through history, before you even get to discuss what is relevant to us today. There are a number of posters who sling as much poo against the wall as they can, hoping to steer debate completely off of the actual subject. A couple of things I’ve noticed.

  1. The hope something sticks guy–see above–making you deal with this, that, and everything else, BUT the topic.

  2. The, I’m going to hold out on this completely ludicrous position, because if I don’t, I’ll have given ground to your argument, guy.

3a. The vanishing anti-bigotry crusader. Mostly only seen defending Gay marriage, vanishes when questioned about recognizing other alternative forms of relationships besides gay marriage.

3b. The Covert Marriage saboteur. Laughs at you for suggesting that alternative marriage arrangements are a slippery slope. Later, after 9 pages of dispute, admits they’d ultimately want state marriage opened to any an every imaginative arrangement of consenting adults. 5 pages later, admits that, ok, what they actually, ultimately want, is to end state recognition of marriage, in the first place.

  1. The “criticizing Islam is the last refugee of bigotry, guy.” Is seen later pretending he lives under an oppressive Christian theocracy, “don’t shove it down my throat, I’m a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster, you ignorant sky wizard worshiper. Freedom!”

  2. The anarchist. When discussing how to, I don’t know, end the debt-ceiling impasse, starts in with something like, “Tear down entitlement programs. Dissolve the military and justice system. Open borders. Dismantle the rest of the federal government (congress, executive), etc.” As if both parties, the President, and the American people are going to say “Doh, yeah, what the heck. The obvious solution was right under our nose. Let’s go for it!” Basically, they’re useless contributors who can’t ratchet down and discuss what is realistic and feasible in the present world. They can’t put down the far off theoretical, and be part of more realistic and practical, what might actually be possible, discussion.

There’s more, but I’ve followed 1. for long enough.

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yeah, but this muslim dude is not muslim though ain’t he?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Is this the level of debate I can continue to expect at PWI?[/quote]

Yes. You’re lucky you aren’t being forced to start at the Crusades, moving up through history, before you even get to discuss what is relevant to us today. There are a number of posters who sling as much poo against the wall as they can, hoping to steer debate completely off of the actual subject. A couple of things I’ve noticed.

  1. The hope something sticks guy–see above–making you deal with this, that, and everything else, BUT the topic.

  2. The, I’m going to hold out on this completely ludicrous position, because if I don’t, I’ll have given ground to your argument, guy.

3a. The vanishing anti-bigotry crusader. Mostly only seen defending Gay marriage, vanishes when questioned about recognizing other alternative forms of relationships besides gay marriage.

3b. The Covert Marriage saboteur. Laughs at you for suggesting that alternative marriage arrangements are a slippery slope. Later, after 9 pages of dispute, admits they’d ultimately want state marriage opened to any an every imaginative arrangement of consenting adults. 5 pages later, admits that, ok, what they actually, ultimately want, is to end state recognition of marriage, in the first place.

  1. The “criticizing Islam is the last refugee of bigotry, guy.” Is seen later pretending he lives under an oppressive Christian theocracy, “don’t shove it down my throat, I’m a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster, you ignorant sky wizard worshiper. Freedom!”

  2. The anarchist. When discussing how to, I don’t know, end the debt-ceiling impasse, starts in with something like, “Tear down entitlement programs. Dissolve the military and justice system. Open borders. Dismantle the rest of the federal government (congress, executive), etc.” As if both parties, the President, and the American people are going to say “Doh, yeah, what the heck. The obvious solution was right under our nose. Let’s go for it!” Basically, they’re useless contributors who can’t ratchet down and discuss what is realistic and feasible in the present world. They can’t put down the far off theoretical, and be part of more realistic and practical, what might actually be possible, discussion.

There’s more, but I’ve followed 1. for long enough.
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Yes, I’ve encountered them all except (3b). (1) and (2) are the most frustrating.

(1) are a dime a dozen. I mostly ignore them. They often share characterics with (2)

(2) are masters at obfuscation. They will deliberately make statements designed to cause confusion and divert attention from the point you just made. When their argument begins to fall to pieces they use slights of hand to confuse and distract.

(3a) and (4) are the types who complain about whacking bin Laden then defend Stalinist Russia or something.

(5) Come in all shades but share a complete divorcement from reality. They don’t seem to understand that Anarchism is not a viable form of society and only exists in the minds of political philosophers.

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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?[/quote]

I’m saying I don’t believe Goldstein was and I’m saying they were both murdered AFTER being disarmed. Once again, nothing to do with the thread.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?[/quote]

I’m saying I don’t believe Goldstein was and I’m saying they were both murdered AFTER being disarmed. Once again, nothing to do with the thread.[/quote]

True, it has nothing to do with this thread but it does speak volumes about you.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?[/quote]

I’m saying I don’t believe Goldstein was and I’m saying they were both murdered AFTER being disarmed. Once again, nothing to do with the thread.[/quote]

If you went to any event where I happened to be and mowed down 25 people and injured 125 others I would bash your brains in too.

All you are saying is that he is a dead terrorist now.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?[/quote]

I’m saying I don’t believe Goldstein was and I’m saying they were both murdered AFTER being disarmed. Once again, nothing to do with the thread.[/quote]
So you are saying they were murdered after being disarmed by a bunch of Arabs, thus showing the true colors of said Arabs?

Dude, I would do the same fucking thing. What point are you trying to make here…

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Christian fundamentalists and crazy orthodox Jews aren’t a threat to world peace.[/quote]

This is you bringing it up, i think.

and to clarify, because you have seem to have lost track of I’ve been responding to the following posts:

[quote]You don’t understand, he’s not a ‘real Muslim’. Let me explain about these people who aren’t ‘real Muslims’.

  1. They profess to be Muslims and are devout followers of the Islamic faith.

  2. They claim to be Muslims.

  3. They claim Islamic justification for their plans/attacks.

But they’re not ‘real Muslims’. See?[/quote]

In the context of these two quotes my comment about the KKK is relevant.

And I’m pretty sure the 150+ people that Goldstein shot are some sort of proof that he… shot them… and 150 seems like a lot in self defence… maybe that’s just me… Though I don’t own an automatic rifle…

And since you’ve informed yourself on the incident, you must know that the other nine Jews were killed in the riot immediately following the massacre, in which there were another 20 something Palestinians killed…

And you’re dismissing everything else for what seems like no reason… I’m confused as to why you participate in any thread at all if you’re just going to make a point then say no without thought. I legitimately want to know your side of things, I do not mean to be arguing for the sake of arguing. I’d prefer a discussion.[/quote]

I AM discussing! This is a thread about ANOTHER STEALTH ISLAMIST TERRORIST within the fucking US Army! What else is there to discuss? WTF has the Baruch Goldstein’s murder in Israel 17 years ago got to do with anything? Seriously. Is this the level of debate I can continue to expect at PWI?[/quote]

I’ve evidently misinterpreted your point. I agree that this terrorist that they arrested is a bad guy. I guess that’s all that’s directly related to this thread.

Rereading your posts though, I have assumed that you took the position of “not all muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are muslim” and that’s what I was really arguing. Didn’t mean to be a “make something stick guy”

My apologies.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Goldstein. Not a terrorist. Murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed. These same Arabs then went on a rampage and murdered nine other Jews.

Eden Natan Zada was also murdered by Arabs AFTER being disarmed.

[/quote]

Are you seriously trying to say that those two were not terrorists?[/quote]

I’m saying I don’t believe Goldstein was and I’m saying they were both murdered AFTER being disarmed. Once again, nothing to do with the thread.[/quote]
So you are saying they were murdered after being disarmed by a bunch of Arabs, thus showing the true colors of said Arabs?

Dude, I would do the same fucking thing. What point are you trying to make here…[/quote]

I shall explain: The only ‘witnesses’ to Goldstein’s alleged ‘attack’ are ‘murderers’ who after murdering Goldstein went on to murder another nine Jews on the same day. Also, their stories are conflicting. I’m saying that I have doubts about the testimony of the ‘witnesses’. You know, and the fact that they lynched 10 people kind of makes me suspect they might not be ‘credible witnessses’. Together with their conflicting accounts. See?

By contrast, I believe Iranian migrant Eden Natan Zada WAS a terrorist but I kind of don’t like the part where they murdered him AFTER disarming AND handcuffing him. You see, everywhere else in the world after a crazed gunman is disarmed and handcuffed he is then ‘arrested’ and ‘charged’ as opposed to beaten to death on the spot. I’m not in any way justifying his actions of course.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

My apologies.[/quote]

Never apologise. It’s a sign of weakness.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

My apologies.[/quote]

Never apologise. It’s a sign of weakness.[/quote]

You guys get NCIS down there, huh? :-)[/quote]

Yes we do get NCIS but I actually got the line from John Wayne in John Ford’s ‘She Wore A Yellow Ribbon’ pilgrim. :slight_smile:

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[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

True, it has nothing to do with this thread but it does speak volumes about you.[/quote]

Please explain. How does the fact that I believe Goldstein was probably innocent ‘speak volumes about’ me? What does it speak of? An interest in truth and justice? What do you mean exactly?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]spiderman739 wrote:

True, it has nothing to do with this thread but it does speak volumes about you.[/quote]

Please explain. How does the fact that I believe Goldstein was probably innocent ‘speak volumes about’ me? What does it speak of? An interest in truth and justice? What do you mean exactly?[/quote]

Goldstein was guilty. The Israeli government says it and the Palestinians say it too.

The fact that you can even entertain the notion that he was not guilty shows how one sided you are. You are more than ready to look for the worst in Muslims but are more than ready to ignore the obvious when somebody from another faith does the same.

You have no interest in debate and discussion. You are only interested in spreading what you have already decided is the truth.

Please don’t reply to this, it is just an answer to the question you asked. I neither want nor need a reply.

I shall no longer be trying to engage you in any kind of discussion as to do so would be a complete waste of your time and mine.