Vine Gironada and old school bodybuilders legs sucked for the most part to. The OP is a fucking moron, sorry. I don’t know how from that picture you see an obese person. BTW most any women I have ever talked to make jokes about guys with big upper bodies and no legs.
Most also prefer a POWERFUL set of legs and ass that looks like it has done more than lunges.
I train for myself anyways as should everyone else.
Just admit that you don’t want to squat becuase they are hard.
I actually prefer the “X-Frame” larger legs provide, and think it makes one look much more impressive in street clothes (provided you’ve got the shoulders, as well).
The pic X posted is a great example of this - I can’t see anyone seeing him like that and thinking “fat”.
[quote]blw121 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
blw121 wrote:
kingdpt wrote:
So are you comparing a real person with a comic book character?
Yeah I am comparing a comic book character to a real person because the comic book character is an idealised version of reality. So the ideal is for a slim waisted and small legs. Yet we are constantly told “Shut up and squat!”. Well wait a second is this really freakin’ ideal? Do I want to look like an obese low-life? Is my time in the gym spent making myself unappealing to the opposite sex when clearly my goal is otherwise? I’m just throwing ideas out there and waiting still to hear reasoned arguments for and against.
You have no clue what you are talking about. The man you are insulting is Jo Jo Ntiforo. The pic above was taken the same day as the one you posted (back in 2003). You think his waist isn’t small? Mind you, that is his heaviest bodyweight ever at that particular period (270lbs). It is accepted that the ones making the most progress from year to year do bulk up in the off season. Why would you judge someone esthetically when they are in a period where the goal is mass gain and not dieting down for competition?
All of you who jump in this forum without a clue of what bodybuilding involves makes me wonder what is wrong with you.
I didn’t intend to insult JoJo but it did come off like that. I just used that picture as an example, to be honest the angle is rather unflattering when compared to your other pictures of JoJo. But even at his slimmest with a pair of jeans on he isn’t going to look like what we see constantly in comics and media. I know that’s part and parcel of being a bodybuilder but why when bodybuilders are our idols does he not represent what we see in the wider community as perfection?
And also I agree bulking is a good method for gaining mass. I can personally attest to trying to use this slow bulk business and getting sub-par results. I’ve now moved over to eating more and am enjoying much better, stretch mark inducing results.
My point is that why do these idealised characters that we hold up as models of perfection have slim waists and comparatively smaller legs, yet on this site and others we constantly hear “just fuckin’ squat”, etc. I’m not implying that squatting will give you a massive waist but in paraphrasing Jack Reape, I don’t know anyone who squats 800 pounds who you would describe as lithe. I just wanted to start an honest discussion about why we’re obsessed with things that to be honest would turn most people off. And I didn’t start lifting weights to become some freak that disgusts women and children.[/quote]
You called the man “[quote]an obese low-life[/quote]”. It takes one clueless individual to see “obesity” simply because of the angle of one photo. It takes a worse one to insult a bodybuilder like Ntiforo who is actually considered one of the few who actually has a true X-frame when in contest condition. That means his waist is smaller in contest shape than many others…yet you think he is obese…and a low life.
I have no desire to impress anyone who would think like that. Every single one of them and you can kiss my ass if you think large muscles that aren’t always below 8% body fat makes someone “an obese low-life”.
Not everyone tries to look like someone featured in Tiger Beat magazine. Also, most women I’ve seen like asses on guys almost as much as we like it on them. You didn’t get the memo?
Why are those of you who hate bodybuilding so much on this forum?
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
I know what you’re saying, but outside of people who actually want to look like a bodybuilder, few people actually try and build up a really thick pair of legs (for aesthetics).
You’ll find the average person’s aesthetic taste then the large thighs aren’t part of it. People on this site try for these large legs because they like the bodybuilder leg aesthetic, and generally don’t care most chicks don’t dig huge legs.[/quote]
To a woman well defined symmetrical thighs are just as important as huge biceps. There is nothing worse than looking at a man with a large upper body and as your eyes look down you become frightened by his chicken legs. Men who train upper body alone have no credibility because they know half the story.
If you consider JoJo unattractive or fat, whoa…boy are you wrong.
b-3 I’m afraid you don’t really speak for the majority of the female population. Most chicks (read every chick I have met who isn’t a weight lifter) don’t care. If you want big legs, do it for sport or for yourself, but not to impress your average lady.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
b-3 I’m afraid you don’t really speak for the majority of the female population. Most chicks (read every chick I have met who isn’t a weight lifter) don’t care. If you want big legs, do it for sport or for yourself, but not to impress your average lady.[/quote]
You’re so very correct. I’ve been told time and again that my legs seem unreasonably thick, and I’m not even a big guy yet 
How could anyone consider that fat? His arms are practically the size of his goddamn waistline. Look at that lat spread. I’d love to be “obese” like that.
15% is the new obese apparently.
[quote]Kromlic wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
b-3 I’m afraid you don’t really speak for the majority of the female population. Most chicks (read every chick I have met who isn’t a weight lifter) don’t care. If you want big legs, do it for sport or for yourself, but not to impress your average lady.
You’re so very correct. I’ve been told time and again that my legs seem unreasonably thick, and I’m not even a big guy yet :|[/quote]
Non-bodybuilders will make such statements because what they are saying is relative to them and others around them, which also most likely are not familiar with the size of a typical bodybuilder.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
b-3 I’m afraid you don’t really speak for the majority of the female population. Most chicks (read every chick I have met who isn’t a weight lifter) don’t care. If you want big legs, do it for sport or for yourself, but not to impress your average lady.[/quote]
I’ve had the opposite experience as far as girls in the general population, though they equate it to footy players rather than bodybuilding.
I’m not saying chicken legs are attractive, but if you go size wise past the legs of the 60s/70s bodybuilders then you may have a problem (though this may be related to age, so maybe younger women like smaller legs).
I’ve only ever once heard a girl comment on leg size favourably, but if there was a buff guy then having tiny legs would stand out, and look silly, where those legs were accepted on a smaller guy.
drummerofgod89 is right, and a writer for T-Nation commented on how bodybuilders often go out with bodybuilder women partly because the culture they are in idealises size.
All this talk about bodybuilders with skinny legs on this and other threads as well as in various articles… I’ve actually never seen a person with outstanding upper body development and strikingly skinny legs.
Virtually all people I know who look like they lift have legs which fit in with their upper body development or at least don’t lag behind too much, probably because it’s hard or nearly impossible to build a decent base of muscle mass without exercises like squats, deadlifts etc. Granted, there are big guys who ditch these exercises after they have built their physique to a certain level, but I don’t know of any who haven’t ever used them as a staple.
Apart from that, as it has been stated before in articles and forum posts, the human body will only tolerate a certain degree of “imbalance”. There is only a small potential for a single muscle or muscle group to grow while everything else remains equal.
Lastly, while cartoon and comic characters may represent an “idealized version of reality”, it is the ideal of a person or maybe a group, not necessarily the ideal of others. The way carton characters are drawn can also be for sake of ridicule, eg. Johnny Bravo who happens to have an unproportionally small lower body as well.
I’m surprised that no one has mentioned this. Aside from the asthetics, squatting will help with the growth of the mirror muscles. That right there should be reason enough to do it.
During the summer I travel a 3 state area attending bodybuilding competitions because I love the sport & try to contribute as much as I can (ticket sales, etc.). You would be surprised at some of the guys on stage who “forgot” to train legs. After seeing so many underdeveloped legs on stage I have a true appreciation for well developed, balanced legs.
eigieinhamr, we need to find you a new set of female friends!! 
B-3
[quote]blw121 wrote:
And I didn’t start lifting weights to become some freak that disgusts women and children.[/quote]
I did.
but i’ll let u in on a little secret, most women i know find muscle attractive.
[quote]Kalle wrote:
Vine Gironada and old school bodybuilders legs sucked for the most part to. The OP is a fucking moron, sorry. I don’t know how from that picture you see an obese person. BTW most any women I have ever talked to make jokes about guys with big upper bodies and no legs.
Most also prefer a POWERFUL set of legs and ass that looks like it has done more than lunges.
I train for myself anyways as should everyone else.
Just admit that you don’t want to squat becuase they are hard. [/quote]
::Golf Clap::
I’ll give up squats when I burn in hell.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
b-3 I’m afraid you don’t really speak for the majority of the female population. Most chicks (read every chick I have met who isn’t a weight lifter) don’t care. If you want big legs, do it for sport or for yourself, but not to impress your average lady.[/quote]
then you hang around the wrong women. most women i know love a solid pair of thighs on a man. they may not want someone as big as ronnie coleman or jay cutler but they appreciate a complete and muscular physique. don’t sleep dude
[quote]michael2507 wrote:
All this talk about bodybuilders with skinny legs on this and other threads as well as in various articles… I’ve actually never seen a person with outstanding upper body development and strikingly skinny legs.
Virtually all people I know who look like they lift have legs which fit in with their upper body development or at least don’t lag behind too much, probably because it’s hard or nearly impossible to build a decent base of muscle mass without exercises like squats, deadlifts etc. Granted, there are big guys who ditch these exercises after they have built their physique to a certain level, but I don’t know of any who haven’t ever used them as a staple.
Apart from that, as it has been stated before in articles and forum posts, the human body will only tolerate a certain degree of “imbalance”. There is only a small potential for a single muscle or muscle group to grow while everything else remains equal.
Lastly, while cartoon and comic characters may represent an “idealized version of reality”, it is the ideal of a person or maybe a group, not necessarily the ideal of others. The way carton characters are drawn can also be for sake of ridicule, eg. Johnny Bravo who happens to have an unproportionally small lower body as well. [/quote]
we have a guy inmy weightroom who I’ve seen curling and doing abs in the squat rack. he has a above average upperbody, but his legs are completely atrophied. It’s fuckign disgusting. his calves aren’t but a few inches around. probably under 10".
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
All this talk about bodybuilders with skinny legs on this and other threads as well as in various articles… I’ve actually never seen a person with outstanding upper body development and strikingly skinny legs.
Virtually all people I know who look like they lift have legs which fit in with their upper body development or at least don’t lag behind too much, probably because it’s hard or nearly impossible to build a decent base of muscle mass without exercises like squats, deadlifts etc. Granted, there are big guys who ditch these exercises after they have built their physique to a certain level, but I don’t know of any who haven’t ever used them as a staple.
Apart from that, as it has been stated before in articles and forum posts, the human body will only tolerate a certain degree of “imbalance”. There is only a small potential for a single muscle or muscle group to grow while everything else remains equal.
Lastly, while cartoon and comic characters may represent an “idealized version of reality”, it is the ideal of a person or maybe a group, not necessarily the ideal of others. The way carton characters are drawn can also be for sake of ridicule, eg. Johnny Bravo who happens to have an unproportionally small lower body as well.
we have a guy inmy weightroom who I’ve seen curling and doing abs in the squat rack. he has a above average upperbody, but his legs are completely atrophied. It’s fuckign disgusting. his calves aren’t but a few inches around. probably under 10".[/quote]
“Above average” by today’s standards means 15" arms. That isn’t what we are talking about.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
michael2507 wrote:
All this talk about bodybuilders with skinny legs on this and other threads as well as in various articles… I’ve actually never seen a person with outstanding upper body development and strikingly skinny legs.
Virtually all people I know who look like they lift have legs which fit in with their upper body development or at least don’t lag behind too much, probably because it’s hard or nearly impossible to build a decent base of muscle mass without exercises like squats, deadlifts etc. Granted, there are big guys who ditch these exercises after they have built their physique to a certain level, but I don’t know of any who haven’t ever used them as a staple.
Apart from that, as it has been stated before in articles and forum posts, the human body will only tolerate a certain degree of “imbalance”. There is only a small potential for a single muscle or muscle group to grow while everything else remains equal.
Lastly, while cartoon and comic characters may represent an “idealized version of reality”, it is the ideal of a person or maybe a group, not necessarily the ideal of others. The way carton characters are drawn can also be for sake of ridicule, eg. Johnny Bravo who happens to have an unproportionally small lower body as well.
we have a guy inmy weightroom who I’ve seen curling and doing abs in the squat rack. he has a above average upperbody, but his legs are completely atrophied. It’s fuckign disgusting. his calves aren’t but a few inches around. probably under 10".
“Above average” by today’s standards means 15" arms. That isn’t what we are talking about.[/quote]
it’s still fucking gross.