Anchor Babies.. A Dilemna?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Irish,

Not all immigrants are equal, and I don’t mean the legal vs illegal argument. Today’s immigrants are generally not as willing to become a part of America, because there is a segment of America that really isn’t American. There is a line drawn in the sand, due to proximity with those south of the border, because they so easily have access to their home country. People of Europe, Africa, and Asia can’t just drive back home, so they are almost forced to become American, more than Latinos. You see SO many organizations that contribute to the cultural divide with the Latino groups. Do you see an equal number of organizations for Greeks, Italians, Irish, Russian, African
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To a degree, I agree. Once you were here from Europe, it was going to be hell going back. It certainly wasn’t a two hour car ride away.

But I also think that when you say they’re not willing to become part of America- that’s been said about every immigrant group that’s ever come over. They said it, again, about the Italians, certainly the Chinese, etc.

Again- this has been said about every immigrant group. In the 1840s, 50s, 60s, it was the Irish that made up the majority of the gangs, ala Asbury’s “Gangs of New York” or the book by TJ English named “Paddy Whacked.” The same things were said- they have too many kids, there’s no discipline, they drink too much, the slums are full of them, etc. etc. etc.

Newspaper articles compared teh Irish to a plague of locusts, the signs “No dogs or Irish allowed” were everywhere… I mean, honestly, we’ve seen ALL of this before. And what did the Irish do? They took the jobs that no one else wanted (which, then, was firefighters and cops) and worked their way up.

The Mexicans will do the same, especially their children who are citizens, who in public schools, and who want their children to do well. I think you’re being excessively harsh on Mexicans, because they ALREADY have a better reputation than the Irish did- I don’t know if it’s the same in Cali, but if someone here says you “work like a Mexican,” it’s a compliment.

And I see them all over some of the smaller towns, with their children walking, outside in the morning waiting for work… they’re just people, no better and no worse, and as I said, the same thing has been said about every immigrant group that’s come over here.

And the Asians, I’ll bet, are a little bit better off when they come here, they’re a little more organized, and I’ll bet there’s fewer of them. It’s not the same as the mass immigration that’s happening with Mexico at the moment, so while I understand what you’re saying, I think you’re kind of comparing apples and oranges.

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FI, this may come off as incredibly dismissive (because it is), but you’re from New Jersey. Having TJ in your backyard makes the wave of illegal immigrants less… wholesome.

When I’m out by my house, I’m not worried about the Irish drinking too much. I’m worried about the car full of cholo looking motherfuckers mad dogging me, burning the flag of my country, and bringing their ghetto TJ attitudes into my neighborhood.

Again, if it wasn’t for the large amount of illegal immigrants that fail to assimilate, speak English and stay out of gangs, no one would have a problem. The unfortunate fact is, those who are likely to come here illegal are also likely to not give two fucks about our laws.

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This article is relevant to your interests. It depicts how a, perhaps, more apt interpretation of the 14th amendment would remove the incentive to cross the southern US border illegally.

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[quote]spyoptic wrote:
AZ doesn’t want to prevent immigration… the law just makes it alright to check for I.D. if you are Mexican - they’ve already been doing that… how did it get to ‘lets kick out all immigrants’??

Understand that illegal immigrants CREATE their own market - if they weren’t there, there jobs wouldn’t exist. They help the economy by paying taxes, goods, food, rent and they send a little money back, and the US could care less because politicians know they need immigrants and America is assfucking Mexico w/ the global economy structure and NAFTA.[/quote]

Talk to someone in AZ. They illegals receive much more than they pay in. Also the crime rate has shot through the roof in that state because of illegals. People are not here for jobs, they are here to help the drug cartels, lie, cheat, and steal. Again ask someone from AZ what they think about illegals.

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If the couple are both illegal, I don’t see why the baby should become a citizen. I think the prereq should be at least one of the family members is a citizen. When the baby is born, the family should be deported.

I don’t see what is wrong or illegal with this, but apparently others (including the government) do.

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[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
FI, this may come off as incredibly dismissive (because it is), but you’re from New Jersey. Having TJ in your backyard makes the wave of illegal immigrants less… wholesome.

When I’m out by my house, I’m not worried about the Irish drinking too much. I’m worried about the car full of cholo looking motherfuckers mad dogging me, burning the flag of my country, and bringing their ghetto TJ attitudes into my neighborhood.

Again, if it wasn’t for the large amount of illegal immigrants that fail to assimilate, speak English and stay out of gangs, no one would have a problem. The unfortunate fact is, those who are likely to come here illegal are also likely to not give two fucks about our laws.[/quote]

Read my post again. I’m not saying that the problem here is as bad as it is in the western states, or that illegals are not more prone to crime, etc. And I’m not comparing them to the Irish of right now.

What I am saying is that every immigrant population has had these problems, and white people have said the same thing about all of them… only to have them assimilate a couple generations later.

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I don’t think any of you that use the word “assimilate” actually understand what it means or even the mindset that one has to have in order to do it.

Imagine if the poorest of the poor and uneducated in the USA (shouldn’t be too hard) were to pick up their entire lives to move to a country where they do not understand the culture or language. These people barely have the means to live and then they would be expected to “assimilate” automatically when they have lived their entire lives completely ignorant of the world around them?

Let’s see…working three jobs to help support a large family and now I have to learn English, too?! Ay, cinga!

No, that’s not expecting too much.

The illegal immigration issue is just a scapegoat. The real problem is too much…you know where I am going with this…

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[quote]Agressive Napkin wrote:
FI, this may come off as incredibly dismissive (because it is), but you’re from New Jersey. Having TJ in your backyard makes the wave of illegal immigrants less… wholesome.

When I’m out by my house, I’m not worried about the Irish drinking too much. I’m worried about the car full of cholo looking motherfuckers mad dogging me, burning the flag of my country, and bringing their ghetto TJ attitudes into my neighborhood.

Again, if it wasn’t for the large amount of illegal immigrants that fail to assimilate, speak English and stay out of gangs, no one would have a problem. The unfortunate fact is, those who are likely to come here illegal are also likely to not give two fucks about our laws.[/quote]

I am glad you brought this up, I get tired of hearing from people who are in the ass end of the world (in regards to the southern border), who have no idea what it is really like. I think people have a clue when you see families running across freeways, or climbing the fence as you approach the border.

People have this fantasy about these people giving a shit about our laws and society, all the want is money, no matter who gets fucked over while doing it. They don’t care about the poor sucker who gets his ID or SSN stolen, ruining his credit, in their minds it’s all OK with them. Nothing but collateral damage.

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Push, that would be the last piece to the puzzle, end birthright citizenship and you solve alot of problems through paperwork alone.

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From the link:

“Congress has heard testimony estimating that more than two-thirds of all births in Los Angeles public hospitals, and more than half of all births in that city, and nearly 10 percent of all births in the nation in recent years, have been to mothers who are here illegally.”

Wow…

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Don’t let Irish see that statement. After all, he “lives in an area with a shitload of illegal aliens.” But I wouldn’t know anything about that now would I. BTW - our punk ass mayor encouraged illegals to come protest on Saturday, they are now expecting 100,000 to protest in downtown Los Angeles.

I just heard an interview with the author of the bill, Kris Kobach, the fucker is brilliant. It is going to stand up, so get ready, cuz the shit is gonna pop off.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t let Irish see that statement. After all, he “lives in an area with a shitload of illegal aliens.” But I wouldn’t know anything about that now would I.[/quote]

Jesus christ, stop jerking off over that one statement. When I said that you don’t know what you’re talking about, I meant that you had no idea the amount of illegals that were or were not in this area.

Now wipe the fucking tears off your face and stop.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Don’t let Irish see that statement. After all, he “lives in an area with a shitload of illegal aliens.” But I wouldn’t know anything about that now would I.[/quote]

Jesus christ, stop jerking off over that one statement. When I said that you don’t know what you’re talking about, I meant that you had no idea the amount of illegals that were or were not in this area.

Now wipe the fucking tears off your face and stop.[/quote]

Calm down Rosie.