Ames Debate

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

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Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

(Slobbering with a crazed look in my eyes) DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT RON PAUL IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY THAT HAS ACTUALLY READ THE…CONSTITUTION!

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I am not a Paulie, so take your broad brushed generalizations somewhere else. I was simply raising one point about a group that my give a good indicator as to his motivations.

right now there is no one in the GOP that would get my full support, they are all koooks on one level or another.
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Well then I guess you have no choice but to give Obama 4 more years. Let’s see he ran up the national debt to almost 15 trillion in 3 years. If Obama gets another 4 years you guys won’t be able to post crap about his competitors because there won’t be any Internet, or anything else. We will be finished.

GO OBAMA! WE NEED MORE CHANGE!

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

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Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.
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This is true from what I’ve gathered. You need to sprinkle your posts with ad-hominems and liberally construct strawmen to attack. If you can do this while making sure your unwarranted arrogance shines through, you are golden.

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.
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Starting to see this, If he can dot he job great, I just like to look at everything and weigh out all the options.

He is politician and you cannot take these people at their word or even look at their record and know their intentions.

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

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Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.
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You have the balls to say that what he posted was rational? Ha ha…As for the “rich and powerful” speil here’s a clue for you kiddies…everyone of them is either rich and powerful, or connected to those who are. So wake up children and smell the coffee. We either have rich and powerful liberals running the country like Obama, or we have rich and powerful republicans running the country like Romney or Perry.

That’s your choice. If you don’t like it become a paulie and follow a doddering old man for the next few months until his time runs out and he’s eliminated. Then you can show everyone how independent you are by not voting.

That’s your choice.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

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Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.
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You have the balls to say that what he posted was rational? Ha ha…As for the “rich and powerful” speil here’s a clue for you kiddies…everyone of them is either rich and powerful, or connected to those who are. So wake up children and smell the coffee. We either have rich and powerful liberals running the country like Obama, or we have rich and powerful republicans running the country like Romney or Perry.

That’s your choice. If you don’t like it become a paulie and follow a doddering old man for the next few months until his time runs out and he’s eliminated. Then you can show everyone how independent you are by not voting.

That’s your choice. [/quote]

Is it irrational to question a politician’s agenda?

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

[/quote]

Stop trying to be rational, that doesn’t go over well in these forums.
[/quote]

You have the balls to say that what he posted was rational? Ha ha…As for the “rich and powerful” speil here’s a clue for you kiddies…everyone of them is either rich and powerful, or connected to those who are. So wake up children and smell the coffee. We either have rich and powerful liberals running the country like Obama, or we have rich and powerful republicans running the country like Romney or Perry.

That’s your choice. If you don’t like it become a paulie and follow a doddering old man for the next few months until his time runs out and he’s eliminated. Then you can show everyone how independent you are by not voting.

That’s your choice. [/quote]

Is it irrational to question a politician’s agenda?
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Not at all, and my beef is not with you. But I’ve had enough of the little tikes around here grasping at straws and drawing asinine conclusions from bits and pieces off of Internet articles.

My first suggestion would be to read some American political history. Take a good look at who gets the nomination from each party and why. Then read about how a candidate must interact with the media to get elected. Then move to how campaigns are run and how much money it takes to get elected President. For example, it will take about 1 billion dollars to win in 2012. So any clown who posts “I’m so scared the rich and powerful will take over boo hoo” doesn’t know his ass from first base. The rich and powerful are already in control. It’s now a matter of which party you want to see have that control in 2012.

And anyone who does not yet know this is wet behind the ears!

SIMPLE!!

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Perry wins the GOP.

Perry vs Barry in 2012. [/quote]

So I have one big concern with Rick Perry, he is part of the Bilderberg Group. Does this concern anyone else. [/quote]

I’ve also heard he’s a NWO reptilian shapeshifter from the planet Anunnaki. Don’t trust anyone…except Ron Paul.[/quote]

what does ron paul have to do with it. All I am saying is the fact that he is part of a group of rich and powerful people that want o create a one world government and currency that they control does concern me.

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I thought you were joking. I didn’t think you actually believed in such nonsense until I saw your second Bilderberg post on another thread.

yeah nonsense, people want to control other people, complete nonsense.

this is the link for the following http://www.infowars.com/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president/

The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president?.

#1 Rick Perry is a ?big government? politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a ?track record? of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore?s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year?.

?  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

?  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

?  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with an untested and unproven vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when ?apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck?s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.?

Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.

He is not the ?conservative Republican? that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of ?RINOs? (Republicans in name only).

If Rick Perry becomes president, he will probably be very similar to George W. Bush. He will explode the size of the U.S. government and U.S. government debt, he will find sneaky ways to raise taxes, he will do nothing about the Federal Reserve or corruption in our financial system and he will push the agenda of the globalists at every turn.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
WTF does that mean? Paul is a dangerous individual with links to the KKK/neo-Nazis/truthers and fringe libertarian/School of Austrian Economics crackpots like himself. Stormfront, infowars and other racist/enemy psyops sites endorse him and have links on their sites for members to donate to his campaign. He has a track record of stuff like being the only dissenting voter against awarding Rosa Parks a medal and vehemently criticising Israel. Seriously, wake up to yourself.

Bill Kristol on Ron Paul last time he was running:

I think he sums him up pretty well there.[/quote]

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
yeah nonsense, people want to control other people, complete nonsense.

this is the link for the following http://www.infowars.com/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president/

The following are 14 reasons why Rick Perry would be a really, really bad president?.

#1 Rick Perry is a ?big government? politician. When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion. That is not exactly reducing the size of government.

#2 The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932. If Rick Perry runs for president these are numbers he will want to keep well hidden.

#3 The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor. So what would the U.S. national debt look like after four (or eight) years of Rick Perry?

#4 Rick Perry has spearheaded the effort to lease roads in Texas to foreign companies, to turn roads that are already free to drive on into toll roads, and to develop the Trans-Texas Corridor which would be part of the planned NAFTA superhighway system. If you really do deep research on this whole Trans-Texas Corridor nonsense you will see why no American should ever cast a single vote for Rick Perry.

#5 Rick Perry claims that he has a ?track record? of not raising taxes. That is a false claim. Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.

#6 Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.

#7 Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore?s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.

#8 Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.

#9 Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year?.

?  We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

?  We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

?  We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.

#10 Rick Perry attended the Bilderberg Group meetings in 2007. Associating himself with that organization should be a red flag for all American voters.

#11 Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.

#12 Rick Perry often gives speeches about illegal immigration, but when you look at the facts, he has been incredibly soft on the issue. If Rick Perry does not plan to secure the border, then he should not be president because illegal immigration is absolutely devastating many areas of the southwest United States.

#13 In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less. By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.

#14 Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade. Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with an untested and unproven vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light. Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do. According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when ?apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck?s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.?

Rick Perry has a record that should make all Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and Independents cringe.

He is not the ?conservative Republican? that he is trying to claim that he is. He is simply another in a long line of ?RINOs? (Republicans in name only).

If Rick Perry becomes president, he will probably be very similar to George W. Bush. He will explode the size of the U.S. government and U.S. government debt, he will find sneaky ways to raise taxes, he will do nothing about the Federal Reserve or corruption in our financial system and he will push the agenda of the globalists at every turn.[/quote]

Pssst! Infowars = Alex Jones = Batshit. Are you batshit also?

[quote]orion wrote:

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Oh, I see what you’re trying to say now. Let me guess your next line of argument…

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

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Oh, I see what you’re trying to say now. Let me guess your next line of argument…[/quote]

Well, I had not decided, but this would probably do.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

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Oh, I see what you’re trying to say now. Let me guess your next line of argument…[/quote]

Well, I had not decided, but this would probably do. [/quote]

Well, thanks for drawing my attention to these facepalm pictures. Everything you were trying to say has now become crystal clear to me.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Pssst! Infowars = Alex Jones = Batshit. Are you batshit also?

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even crazy people can bring up valid facts. Sorry but Perry did try to use eminent domain to take land from farmers to support a monopoly run toll road, that is fact. But luckily it was shot down.

And he did raise taxes on businesses, that is a fact.

yeah sounds like a real conservative to me.

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Pssst! Infowars = Alex Jones = Batshit. Are you batshit also?

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even crazy people can bring up valid facts. Sorry but Perry did try to use eminent domain to take land from farmers to support a monopoly run toll road, that is fact. But luckily it was shot down.

And he did raise taxes on businesses, that is a fact.

yeah sounds like a real conservative to me.[/quote]

Who is your candidate to unseat Obama? Or do you worship at the chosen one’s feet?

Only California politicians are reserved for the quadruple facepalm.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Pssst! Infowars = Alex Jones = Batshit. Are you batshit also?

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even crazy people can bring up valid facts. Sorry but Perry did try to use eminent domain to take land from farmers to support a monopoly run toll road, that is fact. But luckily it was shot down.

And he did raise taxes on businesses, that is a fact.

yeah sounds like a real conservative to me.[/quote]

Who is your candidate to unseat Obama? Or do you worship at the chosen one’s feet?[/quote]

You seriously think Perry can compete with Obama?

Liberals are dumb but they haven’t forgotten about Bush II quite yet.

Get it?

There is only one candidate that can compete with Obama…I think you know where I am going with this.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]apbt55 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Pssst! Infowars = Alex Jones = Batshit. Are you batshit also?

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even crazy people can bring up valid facts. Sorry but Perry did try to use eminent domain to take land from farmers to support a monopoly run toll road, that is fact. But luckily it was shot down.

And he did raise taxes on businesses, that is a fact.

yeah sounds like a real conservative to me.[/quote]

Who is your candidate to unseat Obama? Or do you worship at the chosen one’s feet?[/quote]

You seriously think Perry can compete with Obama?

Liberals are dumb but they haven’t forgotten about Bush II quite yet.[/quote]

I seriously doubt that Perry, Romney or whomever gets the nomination will be trying to attract liberals. They will go to the polls for their hero, Obama. But less of them will turn out because of broken promises.

Yeah…I think I know where you’re going. But I have a different idea. Here’s what we should do for laughs: Let’s get a tired looking old man…oh say someone 25 to 30 years older than Obama so there is a huge contrast when they stand next to each other. That contrast will clearly point out one’s youth and energy and the others old tired looking face.

But here’s the good part, when each opens his mouth the contrast will be even greater! The tired old man will sound high pitched and come off as cranky. While the young President will hit each phrase with a booming energetic voice.

The young energetic looking candidate will sound reasonable and look good to both women and mature voters, middle aged men and most of the young people who vote democratic anyway.

And the tired old man will sound good to one single group, young independent high T males.

In a general election this should get the old guy a good 20% of the vote if he works really hard and has the wind at his back. While the current young President will be swept into office by the hugest landslide in Presidential history.

Would that be WAY cool or what?

Now who could we get to play the old man? Hmmm…Hey I got it how about Ron Paul? He’s perfect for the part and I know he’d do it.

Set it up and call me in the morning with details - It will be the biggest political laugh of my life!

So you are saying that people will vote based on superficial criteria and not consider what might actually be good for them?

I am hoping the idiot liberals’ bleeding hearts will help them see how fake Obama is compared to the good doctor.