Not sure what spending has to do with Big Brother, but that’s great.
He’s “my man?” OK, I guess. And I didn’t vote.
I’m sure that even you can infer my displeasure.
[quote]Is that enough hope and change for you, or do you want more? Happy?
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Well, it does go right along with my stated view that voting is basically useless. But then again, here you go trying to have it both ways. Do you feel like Obama is “soft on terror,” or whatever the phrase is now?
So, for the record, you have nothing to say, as usual?
By the way, how much do I owe you for those fancy words? That must have taxed you.
how do this and other very similar threads currently active get more traffic than the one i just posted about possible accounting fraud by the largest investment bank to ever collapse. stop worrying about coming up with anti-Obama slogans and talk about what really matters.
oh, and to Bill’s polls: - YouTube
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
So, for the record, you have nothing to say, as usual?
By the way, how much do I owe you for those fancy words? That must have taxed you.[/quote]
Isn’t that terrible
Ryan,
I have said this over and over, yet you clearly seem to willingly ignore it. I am not party affiliated, I am principle affiliated. It is the idea that I examine, not the party doing it. I disagreed with Bush for getting us in this war. I disagreed with the bailout, even when Bush did it. Stereotypically, Dems spend more money and also tax more, but in the Bush years we spent a ton on the war. I disagree with both. Why? Because I don’t like paying for stupid shit.
Why are many of us so critical of Obama? Simple. He ran on being the guy for change, and he is still doing the same shit Bush did with many issues going on. Bush never said he would change, so I can’t grill him for keeping consistent with shit he did. Of course, people like you will scream racism, anger, hatred or whatever bullshit your mind can create, but the man is doing shit many of us here, as well as all over the country disagree with.
I see your thought process much like them (Obama and Congress), that it is THEIR money, and THEIR country. The same way you want to tax everyone to death, because then it becomes YOUR money.
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
What are you even talking about? Big Brother left office last year.[/quote]
Sure, it is all so much better now!
Guantanamo is closed, the Patriot act expired, habeas corpus is a firmly established principle of law, there are no wire tappings inside the US by intelligence agencies, crony capitalism is dead and the troops have come home.
The new boss is the same as the old boss, he just knows how to use a teleprompter.
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This is true, but I was mainly attempting to call attention to the fact that all these things started under the last president, and so it’s extremly dishonest to begin to complain about them now.[/quote]
It sometimes takes a while for people to finally get fed up. Everything has been compounding over the past few years, and a lot of people have been finally pushed over the edge. Keep in mind that the current circumstances (from the 08 election and on) have gotten a ton of people interested in politics who could’ve cared less five years ago.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan,
I have said this over and over, yet you clearly seem to willingly ignore it. I am not party affiliated, I am principle affiliated. It is the idea that I examine, not the party doing it. I disagreed with Bush for getting us in this war. I disagreed with the bailout, even when Bush did it. Stereotypically, Dems spend more money and also tax more, but in the Bush years we spent a ton on the war. I disagree with both. Why? Because I don’t like paying for stupid shit.
Why are many of us so critical of Obama? Simple. He ran on being the guy for change, and he is still doing the same shit Bush did with many issues going on. Bush never said he would change, so I can’t grill him for keeping consistent with shit he did. Of course, people like you will scream racism, anger, hatred or whatever bullshit your mind can create, but the man is doing shit many of us here, as well as all over the country disagree with.
I see your thought process much like them (Obama and Congress), that it is THEIR money, and THEIR country. The same way you want to tax everyone to death, because then it becomes YOUR money.
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Besides the fact that I never mentioned your name, and so I don’t know why you’re talking to me, I cannot take you seriously as long as you continue ascribing mythical positions to me (e.g., I “want to tax everyone to death,” when I don’t remember ever calling for higher taxes on anyone on this board; I do frequently point out how insanely stupid it is to spend about $1 trillion every year on the military and then pretend we don’t have money to take care of our citizens, but that has nothing to do with wanting to raise taxes).
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan,
I have said this over and over, yet you clearly seem to willingly ignore it. I am not party affiliated, I am principle affiliated. It is the idea that I examine, not the party doing it. I disagreed with Bush for getting us in this war. I disagreed with the bailout, even when Bush did it. Stereotypically, Dems spend more money and also tax more, but in the Bush years we spent a ton on the war. I disagree with both. Why? Because I don’t like paying for stupid shit.
Why are many of us so critical of Obama? Simple. He ran on being the guy for change, and he is still doing the same shit Bush did with many issues going on. Bush never said he would change, so I can’t grill him for keeping consistent with shit he did. Of course, people like you will scream racism, anger, hatred or whatever bullshit your mind can create, but the man is doing shit many of us here, as well as all over the country disagree with.
I see your thought process much like them (Obama and Congress), that it is THEIR money, and THEIR country. The same way you want to tax everyone to death, because then it becomes YOUR money.
[/quote]
Besides the fact that I never mentioned your name, and so I don’t know why you’re talking to me, I cannot take you seriously as long as you continue ascribing mythical positions to me (e.g., I “want to tax everyone to death,” when I don’t remember ever calling for higher taxes on anyone on this board; I do frequently point out how insanely stupid it is to spend about $1 trillion every year on the military and then pretend we don’t have money to take care of our citizens, but that has nothing to do with wanting to raise taxes).
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Did you know that we spent 56% of our 2009 Federal Budget on Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid? Meanwhile, the Department of Defense comprised 16%. We could cut back a little on the DoD budget, however not when we are fighting a war. So many people use the DoD budget as a scapegoat. The constitution calls for the funding for a military, while all of our social programs are unconstitutional in addition to being resource sinkholes that are hugely inefficient and widely abused. Another fun fact- the interest on the National Debt made up 8.5% of the 2009 Federal Budget.
On another note, funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (two wars for almost a decade) comprise 8% of our National Debt. You can’t blame our woes on the military spending. I’m sure that we could cut back funding for the DoD a bit, but people really need to stop using the military as a scapegoat for our financial problems. The real problem is our entitlement (social) programs.
[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
Did you know that we spent 56% of our 2009 Federal Budget on Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid? Meanwhile, the Department of Defense comprised 16%. We could cut back a little on the DoD budget, however not when we are fighting a war. So many people use the DoD budget as a scapegoat. The constitution calls for the funding for a military, while all of our social programs are unconstitutional in addition to being resource sinkholes that are hugely inefficient and widely abused. Another fun fact- the interest on the National Debt made up 8.5% of the 2009 Federal Budget.
On another note, funding for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (two wars for almost a decade) comprise 8% of our National Debt. You can’t blame our woes on the military spending. I’m sure that we could cut back funding for the DoD a bit, but people really need to stop using the military as a scapegoat for our financial problems. The real problem is our entitlement (social) programs.[/quote]
Now you have done it, brought facts into this debate. How is his socialist revolution going to happen if you keep using facts!
Comical…the moonbats don’t know what to do without blaming Bush.
I can envision Michelle whining because she can’t cum and BHO blaming George Bush for it.
Ryan,
Did you happen to miss (yet again) where I mentioned that I disagreed with Bush’s enactment of the Iraq war? Do you bother to read what people write here?
Rising healthcare costs have drastically increased the amount we have to spend on various entitlements. Is this news? This is the Democrats have attempted health care reform. But the Republicans will have none of it, yet they simultaneously wish to continue complaining about entitlement spending. And then conservatives wonder why they are castigated as hypocrites.
16% is the baseline figure which fails to take a variety of things into account (many costs are “hidden” elsewhere in the budget).
Furthermore, we could cut back dramatically on the “defense” budget, not merely “a little” as you claim. You say we are “at war,” but we are always at war. When we finish one, we come up with a fresh bad guy. We choose to wage these wars, they are not defensive.
A large portion of our military endeavors are also unconstitutional, yet you seem to have no qualms about them. And I would like to know exactly how entitlements are unconstitutional. Furthermore, this makes your support of the military very confusing and contradictory. We clearly don’t care about our citizens enough to protect them from the very local, very real problems of poverty, inadequate access to medical care, and etc., yet it’s very important that we protect them from imaginary bad guys overseas? In short, please don’t pretend that you have the welfare of the American people in mind as long as you adhere to these absurd principles.
Well, as I’ve pointed out above, you’re using a dishonest metric to come to this conclusion, but it also fails to account to for the massive buildup in deficits under presidents Reagan and Bush I, which sure didn’t come from entitlements.
Of course, a large part of it also comes from tax cuts we can’t afford. I wonder how you feel about this?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Ryan,
Did you happen to miss (yet again) where I mentioned that I disagreed with Bush’s enactment of the Iraq war? Do you bother to read what people write here? [/quote]
I generally don’t bother to read what you write, no.
Seriously, I was not talking to you, and I didn’t bring up the Iraq war. You did, and claimed that it was somehow relevant, and that I “missed it.” I really don’t know what you’re talking about.
Disrespectful mother fucker.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Disrespectful mother fucker. [/quote]
When your ideology is so warped, lacks so much substance, and has no positive track record, disrespect is a convenient requisite in discourse.[/quote]
I hear he hates Bible Colleges too.
Just sayin…
[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:
Rising healthcare costs have drastically increased the amount we have to spend on various entitlements. Is this news? This is the Democrats have attempted health care reform. But the Republicans will have none of it, yet they simultaneously wish to continue complaining about entitlement spending. And then conservatives wonder why they are castigated as hypocrites.
16% is the baseline figure which fails to take a variety of things into account (many costs are “hidden” elsewhere in the budget).
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1941[/quote]
Wow, so now you’re lumping the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Justice, and others in with the military. However, more importantly, tell me how will the Democrats’ health care reform actually lower costs? Anyways, without the entitlements, there would be no entitlement spending.
What the Democrats want will do nothing to lower costs but will in fact increase costs.
Afghanistan was not defensive? Granted, Bush did “drop the ball” in regards to it.
What parts of our military endeavors do you believe are unconstitutional? I’m sure there are places that we can cut back, but remember that the reason people don’t fuck with us is because they know that they have no chance. If someone thought they had a good chance at destroying us, they would surely try.
Entitlements are unconstitutional. How is taking my money and giving it to someone else because they had three kids by the age of 20 constitutional? I thought I had the right to the fruit of my labors?
So, you’re saying that 56% of our budget had no effect on the build-up in deficits? You can’t pick and choose what parts of the budget you think cause deficits and what don’t- they all do.
Obviously, if we didn’t spend so damn much, we wouldn’t need so much damn tax revenue.
Ryan is all over the interwebz. I did a google search and he has forums all over the place.