America Falling Apart?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I don’t know why you’re rooting for our downfall.

Great empires usually go through a violent totalitarian period before they implode.

You prolly won’t have a son cuz you’ll be sterilized in some sort of Plan Verde, European style, and Mecca will be nuked, before the USA, collapses into a feudal state.

An unstable, collapsing USA is about the most dangerous proposition the Muslim world could imagine, I wouldn’t wish for that if I were you.

A stable USA, is more likely to pull out of the Mid East and pretend like the place doesnt exist and go isolationist again.

That is what you should be rooting for.

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First of all, regardless of what everyone thinks, things are not as bad as everyone thinks.

Yes our national debt is through the roof, and must be dealt with. If not, it will keep climbing until we are forced to deal with it. But even this will not destroy America. It will simply lead to a major recession, and the government finally dealing with the debt.

But this really won’t happen for at least a couple of decades at the earliest. And the way this will happen is that the government will have exhausted their credit. At that point the government will be forced to live under a balanced budget. At this point all the government programs the conservative have been complaining about will finally be cut.

But hopefully before then we get smart, and deal with the debt. The very first way of doing that is to privatize Socialist Security. It will make it look like the debt has suddenly grown, but in actuality it will only show the debt that has existed but was hidden by funny government math.

And it should be noted that the Federal debt is different the the trade deficit. (Although with our culture of living in deep debt, it is natural for our government to do the same.)

Last I knew, the trade deficit was total crap. Some things were counted, and others were not. There used to be tons of trade going on that was not counted. I do not know if this is still true, but I do know it used to be.

But right now there seems to be an Anti-Debt philosophy growing in this country. It is starting to grow beyond a cult status, and if it keeps going, will start to invade our government soon.

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[quote]The Mage wrote:
It is starting to grow beyond a cult status, and if it keeps going, will start to invade our government soon.[/quote]

That’s one invasion I won’t be complaining about.

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Lixy, Try growing up and actually reading the Truth not watching CNN or reading the NY Times. Killing people in Iraq. Their “DICTATOR” killed them by the millions. His Sons raped any young Girl and some Boy’s that they wanted when they wanted. You hear that most of then want the U.S. out? That’s your Liberal/Socialist news. I can tell you as a matter of fact that most @ 8 out of 10 are glad we are there and are glad we saved them from Saddam and his sons. Let me ask you this how long where you there and who did you speak too?

Now on Topic, America is faltering because of Socialist crap, I.E. Welfare, School Lunches, and Low income Housing subsidies. What the States that have High Crime and Budgeting issues have in common is a Welfare/subsides over 20% of the State�??s population. Let me put this question out to the Forum. If the Government is giving Families EBT money and other Welfare subsides for food why do we also have to have free lunches and free breakfast for these same children that are receiving money for food already?

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[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Iron Dwarf wrote:
Every generation says theirs is the era in which everything is going to shit.

Once we get through this awful one, I’m sure my son will have another to bitch about when he’s an adult. We just gotta keep workin’ it.

That’s an easy refrain, but it’s also an easy way to hide from the magnitude of America’s looming problems. We have a negative savings rate, a massive trade deficit, and a government that is increasingly corrupt and incompetent - not just talking Bush here, I mean that across the board. Not to mention the whole system runs on cheap oil, which may well be a permanent thing of the past. We’re better off than much of the developed world (see Europe, Russia, China) because of our demographics, but otherwise…[/quote]

[quote]lixy wrote:
With the debt you guys are piling up, your son might just see the shit hit the fan.[/quote]

<–Don’t let my avatar fool you, fellas. I’m no right-winger! But I am an optimist. Things do suck royally now. As much as the Cons continue to blame the left for everything, there’s no denying that the last 8 years of neo-con “policy” have left us vulnerable in every respect as a nation. But in my rose-colored glasses, I foresee better days ahead. Shoot me for having hope if you must. But I have a son that I have great concern for in this world. And no matter what happens, I’m just relieved we’ll soon be rid of Bush and Cheney. Pity the fools who voted for those fuckers… TWICE!

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Neo-cons are democrats, Iron Dwarf. The only differences between them and today’s democrats are their stance on pre-emptive diplomacy and military.

Neo-cons are for pre-emptive strikes using the military

Democrats are afraid of what the rest of the world thinks about us, thereby waiting until the shit has already hit the fan before the US does something - and if that something involves the military, you’re sure to bet that it will be token and a SNAFU.

Both are for big government and big spending.

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[quote]kroby wrote:
Neo-cons are democrats, Iron Dwarf. The only differences between them and today’s democrats are their stance on pre-emptive diplomacy and military.

Neo-cons are for pre-emptive strikes using the military

Democrats are afraid of what the rest of the world thinks about us, thereby waiting until the shit has already hit the fan before the US does something - and if that something involves the military, you’re sure to bet that it will be token and a SNAFU. [/quote]

What on Earth are you babbling about???

Republicans voted for the war on Iraq en masse. Democrats are sitting on their butt and signing Bush blank checks.

This has never been a partisan issue.

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Collapsing Before Our Eyes:

Housing prices post record declines
Las Vegas, Miami and Phoenix all saw prices plummet by at least 20%.
CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: April 29, 2008: 10:06 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) – Home prices posted another record decline, as most of the nation’s largest markets suffered double-digit drops over last year, a survey released Tuesday shows.

The S&P Case/Shiller Home Price Index, which tracks 20 of the largest housing markets, showed prices plummeting by 12.7% in the 12 months ending February. That’s the biggest fall since the index began tracking prices in 2000.

Of those 20 metro areas, 17 posted their largest year-over-year declines ever. Ten of the 20 cities posted double-digit dips.

The 10-city Case/Shiller index is down 13.6% year-over-year, the biggest drop since its launch in 1987.

“There is no sign of a bottom in the numbers,” S&P spokesman said David M. Blitzer, said in a prepared statement. “Prices of single family homes continue to drop across the nation.”

Of the 20 cities Case/Shiller tracks, only Charlotte, N.C. showed higher prices, up 1.5% over the 12-month period.

Other metro areas recorded only modest price declines, including Portland, Ore., down 2.0%, Seattle, off 2.7% and Dallas, 4.1%. In the nation’s largest city, New York, metro area prices dropped a modest 6.6%.

First Published: April 29, 2008: 9:23 AM EDT

Foreclosure spike - 112% with no end in sight."

The Great Depression of the 21st century has begun. I’d guess it will last at least 20 years. There is no one waiting in the wings to become the hegemonic power and the one that has possibilities is not a liberal democracy, like the USA was in 1945. The horror…the horror…

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Warren Buffett, the world’s richest person, said Monday that the U.S. economy is in a recession that will be more severe than most people expect.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
Neo-cons are democrats, Iron Dwarf. The only differences between them and today’s democrats are their stance on pre-emptive diplomacy and military.

Neo-cons are for pre-emptive strikes using the military

Democrats are afraid of what the rest of the world thinks about us, thereby waiting until the shit has already hit the fan before the US does something - and if that something involves the military, you’re sure to bet that it will be token and a SNAFU.

What on Earth are you babbling about???

Republicans voted for the war on Iraq en masse. Democrats are sitting on their butt and signing Bush blank checks.

This has never been a partisan issue.[/quote]

LOL. You have no idea what you write about!

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Since the sky is falling Sensai HH…

Whatcha gonna do?

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Welp, since it’s all coming apart, it’s time to get drunk, get sucked, get fucked, and get fucked up!!!Wooohooo! End of the world yeehaw, let’s get it oooon!

In other words I don’t believe any of it…People get off on doomsday scenarios…Not me, I don’t give a shit. If it all falls apart tomorrow, I can’t do shit about it, so who cares?
I have heard all this crap a million times in my life, you know how much of it has even come close to happening? None of it.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
Neo-cons are democrats, Iron Dwarf. The only differences between them and today’s democrats are their stance on pre-emptive diplomacy and military.

Neo-cons are for pre-emptive strikes using the military

Democrats are afraid of what the rest of the world thinks about us, thereby waiting until the shit has already hit the fan before the US does something - and if that something involves the military, you’re sure to bet that it will be token and a SNAFU.

What on Earth are you babbling about???

Republicans voted for the war on Iraq en masse. Democrats are sitting on their butt and signing Bush blank checks.

This has never been a partisan issue.[/quote]

He is talking about the definition of neo-con.

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I was laughing at Iron Dwarf for lamenting 8 years of NeoCon “policy” which is really democratic party policy.

Just goes to show you how mis-informed and hood winked Bush really is!

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Anyone see Idiocracy? It’s a pretty bad movie, but it’s based on a pretty interesting fact:
the idiots are having lots of babies, and thus the average intelligence of society as a whole is plummeting… You get the picture.

Over the next few generations, there are going to be WAY more children born to uneducated, broken homes than those born to responsible parents which will seriously tax the social services we have in place, and if you know anything about population growth (especially with low infant mortality rates) you can see that it won’t take long before this country will just be overwhelmed and unequipped to deal with all the problems that will arise.

That’s why I’m hoping for an arificial-intelligence super robot overlord to control the population. Shouldn’t be too long now, IBM’s working on it, I think.