Sigh… this is the world we live in now. Don’t you worry, you didn’t make yourself fat by eating all kinds of garbage and sitting on your ass all day. You just have a disease, which we conveniently have a drug that can “cure” your lazy-fatness. I can only wonder the side-effects of this stuff over a long period. Maybe we will really make people genetically fatter after all…
But there will always be us… and what do we say to laziness? Not today!
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
So is this gonna go down like ADHD, where suddenly everyone is now eligible for prescribed meds, bringing tons of $ in through insurance claims?
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There’s a new one now: ODD (oppositional defiant disorder).[/quote]
AKA needs a whipping
[quote]csulli wrote:
Some funny quotes from the article:
“This will force primary care physicians to address it, even if we don’t have a cure for it.”
A cure for obesity! LOL! It’s called less food, and it’s free even if you don’t have any health insurance.
“the semantic change may reflect a growing awareness that obesity is not someone’s fault”
… speechless. You just keep eating those bon-bons and not exercising honey, it’s not your fault.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Great more reasons for the obese people to stay obese. OMG it is a disease I can’t help myself. It is not my fault.[/quote]
Look Bauber called it.[/quote]
To be fair. Everyone saying its just because they eat and don’t exercise need to some extra reading on physiology and genetics. Also as fat accumulates gene expression changes, hormone expression changes making the body act very differently
FYI I am not advocating for getting obese just saying its not black and white like ppl like to think
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Some funny quotes from the article:
“This will force primary care physicians to address it, even if we don’t have a cure for it.”
A cure for obesity! LOL! It’s called less food, and it’s free even if you don’t have any health insurance.
“the semantic change may reflect a growing awareness that obesity is not someone’s fault”
… speechless. You just keep eating those bon-bons and not exercising honey, it’s not your fault.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Great more reasons for the obese people to stay obese. OMG it is a disease I can’t help myself. It is not my fault.[/quote]
Look Bauber called it.[/quote]
To be fair. Everyone saying its just because they eat and don’t exercise need to some extra reading on physiology and genetics. Also as fat accumulates gene expression changes, hormone expression changes making the body act very differently
FYI I am not advocating for getting obese just saying its not black and white like ppl like to think[/quote]
Have to disagree with you here on most of the morbidly obese. I am excluding people with legitimate health issues that caused them to become morbidly obese. They are the minority anyways.
Yes, your body changes, metabolic rate, hormones, etc when becoming extremely fat, but they got to that point by being lazy and overeating. Now I am not downing morbidly obese people, but the first step is to take responsibility for getting so damn fat and then acting to fix it. It will be hard and take a ton of work, a lifestyle change. But when did that become so impossible and unbelievable to think of. To me it is black and white, accept you made the bed you are laying in and do something to change it.
Quit blaming your genetics, life, food, a make believe disease. Nothing is ever anyone’s fault these days and we wonder why the world is such a cesspool of entitled shitholes.
If I sat on my ass and ate whatever I wanted every day with my body type I would be hugely obese easily. It is a choice not something forced upon them.
Like I said its not a cop out and everyone who reads my posts knows I am 100% getting fat but you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
no one is diagnosed just by the number alone.
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That’s the question though isn’t it? What test(s) will be used to officially “diagnose” obesity the disease? I’m wondering if they will just use BMI. Probably unlikely, as the medical community is just as aware of its shortcomings as anyone, but I’m curious what methods they’ll use. I don’t think they’ve released that information as of yet.[/quote]
I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have to do some kind of visual assessment, but who knows? [/quote]
This will be open to a lot of Fraud.
[quote]dmaddox wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
no one is diagnosed just by the number alone.
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That’s the question though isn’t it? What test(s) will be used to officially “diagnose” obesity the disease? I’m wondering if they will just use BMI. Probably unlikely, as the medical community is just as aware of its shortcomings as anyone, but I’m curious what methods they’ll use. I don’t think they’ve released that information as of yet.[/quote]
I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have to do some kind of visual assessment, but who knows? [/quote]
This will be open to a lot of Fraud.[/quote]
That’s called ‘upcharging’ in business school today.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong [/quote]
No it’s not. It is about as close to black and white as you can get. There is a TINY minority of people with actual hormone imbalance issues and whatever else that makes weight gain nearly impossible to deal with, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think pretty much everyone suffering from “obesity” didn’t get there from eating too much and never exercising.
I don’t give a shit if they think they’re “addicted” to food lol. Food is not a chemically addictive substance. What they are is habitualized. And guess what, that’s all in your head (not genetic, not biological), and you can fix it by manning the fuck up, finding some willpower, putting your fork down, and picking up a barbell.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong [/quote]
No it’s not. It is about as close to black and white as you can get. There is a TINY minority of people with actual hormone imbalance issues and whatever else that makes weight gain nearly impossible to deal with, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think pretty much everyone suffering from “obesity” didn’t get there from eating too much and never exercising.
I don’t give a shit if they think they’re “addicted” to food lol. Food is not a chemically addictive substance. What they are is habitualized. And guess what, that’s all in your head (not genetic, not biological), and you can fix it by manning the fuck up, finding some willpower, putting your fork down, and picking up a barbell.[/quote]
Alright you know it all big guy
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.
But at the end of the day, they ARE lazy and eat too much. Whether they are more inclined to do so because of how their brain functions doesn’t change that.
If you have a tendency to do something you know you shouldn’t, you take the necessary steps to not do it. You don’t look for excuses and let it happen and then let it slowly kill you and blame everything else under the sun. That’s pathetic. Then getting other people who are also unable to look in the mirror and point the finger at themselves together into a big group so that their voice is louder doesn’t make it legit.
By the way, this whole concept completely shits in the faces of all the people who DID THE RIGHT THING and got over their obesity the right way.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.[/quote]
That’s how life is. That’s why we will never see a boom in prevention. How do those companies make money if they only see people once. They need them coming back over and over.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.[/quote]
That’s how life is. That’s why we will never see a boom in prevention. How do those companies make money if they only see people once. They need them coming back over and over. [/quote]
QFT
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.[/quote]
That’s how life is. That’s why we will never see a boom in prevention. How do those companies make money if they only see people once. They need them coming back over and over. [/quote]
Oh trust me I know. I hear it every day from my mom. Being a cardiologist jn the south is excellent job security…
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong [/quote]
No it’s not. It is about as close to black and white as you can get. There is a TINY minority of people with actual hormone imbalance issues and whatever else that makes weight gain nearly impossible to deal with, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think pretty much everyone suffering from “obesity” didn’t get there from eating too much and never exercising.
I don’t give a shit if they think they’re “addicted” to food lol. Food is not a chemically addictive substance. What they are is habitualized. And guess what, that’s all in your head (not genetic, not biological), and you can fix it by manning the fuck up, finding some willpower, putting your fork down, and picking up a barbell.[/quote]
Actually your wrong in the aspect of food not being addictive. Case in point being sugar.
So why is it when people go on an elimination diet like no carbs people get
Sure sounds like a person detoxing from Cigarettes or some other “addictive” substance.
Your right on the hormones but wrong on the psychology side.
I deal with this all the time with Clients who are overweight and most are pre-diabetic as well .
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.[/quote]
That’s how life is. That’s why we will never see a boom in prevention. How do those companies make money if they only see people once. They need them coming back over and over. [/quote]
So perhaps…dare I say…healthcare is an industry that doesn’t lend itself well to the profit model.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong [/quote]
No it’s not. It is about as close to black and white as you can get. There is a TINY minority of people with actual hormone imbalance issues and whatever else that makes weight gain nearly impossible to deal with, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think pretty much everyone suffering from “obesity” didn’t get there from eating too much and never exercising.
I don’t give a shit if they think they’re “addicted” to food lol. Food is not a chemically addictive substance. What they are is habitualized. And guess what, that’s all in your head (not genetic, not biological), and you can fix it by manning the fuck up, finding some willpower, putting your fork down, and picking up a barbell.[/quote]
Actually your wrong in the aspect of food not being addictive. Case in point being sugar.
So why is it when people go on an elimination diet like no carbs people get
Sure sounds like a person detoxing from Cigarettes or some other “addictive” substance.
Your right on the hormones but wrong on the psychology side.
I deal with this all the time with Clients who are overweight and most are pre-diabetic as well .
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Couldn’t that be caused from the lack of caffeine from having to cut out sugary sodas? Caffeine is more addictive than sugar.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
There may be some question as to how/why someone becomes obese; but there should be no doubt that this change was pushed through by the industries that stand to make huge profits from it. This has nothing to do with health…follow the dollar. [/quote]
Agreed, follow anything far enough and it all comes down to money.[/quote]
That’s how life is. That’s why we will never see a boom in prevention. How do those companies make money if they only see people once. They need them coming back over and over. [/quote]
So perhaps…dare I say…healthcare is an industry that doesn’t lend itself well to the profit model.
[/quote]
I hate healthcare. No idea why I am becoming a doc. FML
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
you are painting it black and white which it is not. Not even close. Just like some can gamble or smoke and not give a fuck if they ever do it again. Some people’s brains are wired different and the reacton is the exact opposite. They are addicted immediately. Again they chose to pick it up but even then their brains seek it out. So to say they are lazy and eat too much is just plain too simple and flat out wrong [/quote]
No it’s not. It is about as close to black and white as you can get. There is a TINY minority of people with actual hormone imbalance issues and whatever else that makes weight gain nearly impossible to deal with, but you’re fooling yourself if you don’t think pretty much everyone suffering from “obesity” didn’t get there from eating too much and never exercising.
I don’t give a shit if they think they’re “addicted” to food lol. Food is not a chemically addictive substance. What they are is habitualized. And guess what, that’s all in your head (not genetic, not biological), and you can fix it by manning the fuck up, finding some willpower, putting your fork down, and picking up a barbell.[/quote]
Actually your wrong in the aspect of food not being addictive. Case in point being sugar.
So why is it when people go on an elimination diet like no carbs people get
Sure sounds like a person detoxing from Cigarettes or some other “addictive” substance.
Your right on the hormones but wrong on the psychology side.
I deal with this all the time with Clients who are overweight and most are pre-diabetic as well .
[/quote]
I don’t consider refined sugar a food.
Nor does eating food necessitate ingesting large amounts of sugar.
Addiction is such an arbitrary word though. Without water, we all get thirsty and endlessly crave water, is water addictive?
If you sit on a couch being lazy your whole life, it can be really difficult to go outside. Are you addicted to sitting on the couch?
Much of the time, addiction is a label applied to do little more than remove personal responsibility.
Everything we do and eat effects the way we feel. Why do we sometimes blame the feeling and other times credit ourselves? Only when we fail to do what we know we should do we blame feelings instead of self.
When was the last time a wold class marathoner remarked “it isn’t my doing, I can’t help myself, I’m addicted to running, please don’t place any of the credit on my determination or hard work?” Even though the guy may feel a high running and withdrawal when he stops.