Alternative Marriages:

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

Your argument is basicaly, yeah, we’ve already harmed the fabric of this vital institution, and yes, we can see the results of this, but let’s barrel on further down that road? Stretch our this already thinned institution so thin, that we see can see completely through it?

My argument is that as long as people are people, they’re going to fuckin destroy whatever the idealists want to think that marriage means.

Gays marrying will not be any better or worse than anyone else, so the argument isn’t valid.

So, why bother, eh? Too hard? Someone might call you old-fashioned, conservative, or ( dramatic drumroll, please) a bigot!?

Let’s just shrug our shoulders and say people are people to everything. Fighting to maintain or repair a deserving ideal and vital social institution is just too friggen hard. I just want to be liked by everyone, orgasm as many times, and obtain as many material possessions, as I can before I go toes up. Let a future generation feel the impact and do the heavy lifting. Now lets just go get high, drunk, or laid. Screw future prosperity. Screw a left behind legacy. It was just too damned hard to even try.

You are arguing under the premise that gays will destroy something that was never there.

Therefore, the argument doesn’t make any sense.

You act like before gays were around (which was never, but anyway) heterosexuals had these perfect little marriages that never saw trouble- then, the evil Ghey came around and everything went to shit.

In reality, people’s marriages who suck are going to suck whether there’s two homos in San Fran that can get married or not. Their kids will be fucked up whether two lesbians in Mississipi can get married or not. It has no effect on the lives of others.

Like I said, the people who treasure their relationship with another human will treausre it regardless of what the government wants to call it. Men and women rarely stay together just because they’re married- they stay together because of other reasons, but that one piece of paper means little to the people that don’t have a bond with the other person.

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Actually I’m arguing under the premise that not reserving state recognized marriage exclusively for the purpose of the propogation and raising of our citizenry in a committed relationship (thick or thin), between the smallest unit capable of naturally doing so, will accelerate the destruction already dealt. The first person to bring up sterile and infertile heteros will be made to look a fool.

Basically, I’m not simply arguing against gays. I’m arguing against all these fad “alternative marriages.” Including these Polyamorous/geometric (whatever) arrangements.

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[quote]TKDCadet04 wrote:

So let’s continue to do the same things that weakened it in the first place by not allowing gays to get married? [/quote]

I hope this is a damn joke.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Actually I’m arguing under the premise that not reserving state recognized marriage exclusively for the purpose of the propogation and raising of our citizenry in a committed relationship (thick or thin), between the smallest unit capable of naturally doing so, will accelerate the destruction already dealt. The first person to bring up sterile and infertile heteros will be made to look a fool.

Basically, I’m not simply arguing against gays. I’m arguing against all these fad “alternative marriages.”[/quote]

It will not. History has proven that it will not. Men have been leaving their wives for centuries, men have been living together and banging for centuries, and society hasn’t been destroyed. Not recognizing the marriage is simply sticking your head in the sand.

And again, the decision whether or not to let them marry will not affect your life in the least. People haven’t just recently begun changing- they’ve been doing the same fucked up stuff since they were around. And somehow, humanity has made it to the current state. So for you to say that something as miniscule as gay marriage will destroy the fabric of the country is laughable.

On top of that, the percentage of people that are gay is minutely small. The percentage that want kids- even smaller. So the population segment that it could possibly have a direct impact on is even tinier.

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…

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Err, go a head, live together and bang away. I’m talking about marriage…

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…[/quote]

We’ve been over this.

And thank you. You’re pretty swell yourself.

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[quote]OBoile wrote:
John S. wrote:
The problem with debating alternative marriage is we are avoiding the real question.

Is marriage a Government concern or is it Religious concern?

As long as we ignore this these problems will keep popping up.

Obvious answer: as far as the law is concerned, it is a government issue and not a religious one.[/quote]

I would say it is a religious one. Marriage should have nothing to do with the government. Government has no right getting involved in peoples decisions like this. We need to go back to the basics.

Maybe I will start my own thread on this.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…

We’ve been over this.

And thank you. You’re pretty swell yourself. [/quote]

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…

We’ve been over this.

And thank you. You’re pretty swell yourself.

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing. [/quote]

I already have. Though, only touching upon the surface of a rather deep discussion. I’m attempting to keep this about alternative marriage in general. That, at least includes the subject of this thread. I’ve laid out, in excruciating detail, why I oppose state recognized homosexual…marriage…in long, tedious, repetitive, back and forths in a number of “homos should marry” threads.

You could at least say thank you, for returning your compliment.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…

We’ve been over this.

And thank you. You’re pretty swell yourself.

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I already have. Though, only touching upon the surface of a rather deep discussion. I’m attempting to keep this about alternative marriage in general. That, at least includes the subject of this thread. I’ve laid out, in excruciating detail, why I oppose state recognized homosexual…marriage…in long, tedious, repetitive, back and forths in a number of “homos should marry” threads.

You could at least say thank you, for returning your compliment.[/quote]

I am not searching your posts. Either lay’em out here or be done with it.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

It’s not like they’re going to legalize it and half the country will turn gay and start fucking right outside city hall after they get their marriage licenses.

You’re fuckin incredible…

We’ve been over this.

And thank you. You’re pretty swell yourself.

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I already have. Though, only touching upon the surface of a rather deep discussion. I’m attempting to keep this about alternative marriage in general. That, at least includes the subject of this thread. I’ve laid out, in excruciating detail, why I oppose state recognized homosexual…marriage…in long, tedious, repetitive, back and forths in a number of “homos should marry” threads.

You could at least say thank you, for returning your compliment.

I am not searching your posts. Either lay’em out here or be done with it. [/quote]

Well, me neither. So you’re going to have to search them, or be done with it. I believe we’re at an impasse. Yours, is the next move.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Well, me neither. So you’re going to have to search them, or be done with it. I believe we’re at an impasse. Yours, is the next move.

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There is no “move.” I asked for something that you won’t provide, and I’ve replied to your posts and you won’t reply back. Shit’s dead, but not because of me.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pat wrote:
How many threads on gay marriage are we gonna have?

I was just thinking that. Ask Thunder. [/quote]

Post a topic about the long-term implications of entitlement spending, or the deficit, or the Federal Reserve, or any other issue that will eventually result in the destruction of the U.S. as we know it if they are not addressed and you’ll get 10 replies.

Post a topic on gay marriage, or abortion, or “Is there a God?”, or any other topic that doesn’t matter one fucking shit and you’ll get 500 replies.

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YEAH!!!11!!! Yet another gay marriage thread! I couldn’t bring myself to actually read it, but let me guess… “society is about to crumble b/c of gay marriage” VS “progress” with some craziness about the new world order popping in?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Sloth wrote:

Well, me neither. So you’re going to have to search them, or be done with it. I believe we’re at an impasse. Yours, is the next move.

There is no “move.” I asked for something that you won’t provide, and I’ve replied to your posts and you won’t reply back. Shit’s dead, but not because of me.
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I’m not going to search through my own posts to provide you links. It’s nothing against you, and I appreciate your interest concerning my stance specifically on gay marriage. Perhaps my forum arch-foes will do the leg work and provide them, though.

And, simply put, I’m not motivated enough to provide typed out anti homo-marriage statements, rebuttals, counter-rebuttals, counter-counter-rebuttals, so on and so on. I’m here for the polyamorous topic, desperately trying not to get mired down in yet another homo specific thread. So far, I haven’t been entirely succesful, but I’m a trying!

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing. [/quote]

I asked the same thing in the other gay marriage thread and never got an answer either.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

I was just thinking that. Ask Thunder.

This isn’t a gay marriage thread. It is about the Next In Line in marriage “rights”, as urged by none other than Dustin.

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I would rather you call me the Enlightened.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I asked the same thing in the other gay marriage thread and never got an answer either.

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Must not have been a gay thread I was in. After all, there’s plenty gay specific threads floating around. If I was involved, you simply didn’t recognize a “valid reason” when it was presented.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I asked the same thing in the other gay marriage thread and never got an answer either.

Must not have been a gay thread I was in. After all, there’s plenty gay specific threads floating around. If I was involved, you simply didn’t recognize a “valid reason” when it was presented.[/quote]

Fighting Irish already pointed out how “valid” your reasons were.

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[quote]Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I asked the same thing in the other gay marriage thread and never got an answer either.

Must not have been a gay thread I was in. After all, there’s plenty gay specific threads floating around. If I was involved, you simply didn’t recognize a “valid reason” when it was presented.

Fighting Irish already pointed out how “valid” your reasons were.[/quote]

Is this where I say neither of you have given “valid” reasons in support of homo-marriage? Then you guys say “nuh-uh, you didn’t!” And I respond “nuh-uh, you.” Which leads you two to say, “You.” Then I say “Yo.” Then you guys simply say, ‘Y.’ Until nothing is left to be said? That a ridiculous idea. Why would your two possibly want to do that?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Dustin wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

No shit- and you still can’t give me a valid reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to. Not one fucking thing.

I asked the same thing in the other gay marriage thread and never got an answer either.

Must not have been a gay thread I was in. After all, there’s plenty gay specific threads floating around. If I was involved, you simply didn’t recognize a “valid reason” when it was presented.

Fighting Irish already pointed out how “valid” your reasons were.

Is this where I say neither of you have given “valid” reasons in support of homo-marriage? Then you guys say “nuh-uh, you didn’t!” And I respond “nuh-uh, you.” Which leads you two to say, “You.” Then I say “Yo.” Then you guys simply say, ‘Y.’ Until nothing is left to be said? That a ridiculous idea. Why would your two possibly want to do that?[/quote]

Because we are right and you are wrong. :slight_smile:

But as Fighting Irish already pointed out, it isn’t about “supporting” it.

I don’t care and it’s none of my business and most certainly isn’t the business of the government. The government screws up everything it touches, why must it also legislate morality?