[quote]caveman101 wrote:
omg u guizzz
not surprising since Dean Ornish runs that site
jesus christ, so much misinformation in that in regards to human evolution and the diet
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jesus christ, so much misinformation in that in regards to human evolution and the diet[/quote]
Downright irritating.
I guess if your goal is to look like the author, you should stop eating meat immediately.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jesus christ, so much misinformation in that in regards to human evolution and the diet[/quote]
Downright irritating.
I guess if your goal is to look like the author, you should stop eating meat immediately.[/quote]
I really do give up on vegans. If they want to be Vegan for ethical reasons (which to me is still dumb) or religious reasons, so be it. But, to try and play the “health or performance” card is pure retarded
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
omg u guizzz
I love your picture paired with that article haha.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jesus christ, so much misinformation in that in regards to human evolution and the diet[/quote]
Downright irritating.
I guess if your goal is to look like the author, you should stop eating meat immediately.[/quote]
I really do give up on vegans. If they want to be Vegan for ethical reasons (which to me is still dumb) or religious reasons, so be it. But, to try and play the “health or performance” card is pure retarded[/quote]
They pull that all the time. So tired of hearing “everyone would be better off and perform better if we all adopted a vegan diet”…they neglect the fact that vegans who don’t supplement eventually succumb to pernicious anemia due to lack of vitamin b12
Often time “Nutritionists” will have a different ideal of what defines health from the average T-Nation beliefs. Weil for example is hugely popular and respected, but blatantly looks like he’s never trained a day in his life, on the flip side Mark Sisson is the embodiment of what he preaches and does not use models other than himself to promote his beliefs. It is (I believe) the more respectable path.
I’m reading up on a Doctor from NYC named Pennington that treated Diabetics with a diet of 24 ounces of fatty meat daily. His patients lost a lot of body fat and were virtually cured, but this was in 1944, and due to the War, the ideal of curing people with vast amounts of rationed meat was looked upon unfavorably.
i do believe the keto diet was originally developed for epileptics - it was shown to reduce the incidences of seizures
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
jesus christ, so much misinformation in that in regards to human evolution and the diet[/quote]
Downright irritating.
I guess if your goal is to look like the author, you should stop eating meat immediately.[/quote]
I remember PBS ran a program comparing different diets and that was their assessment of Ornish. I think the quote was “The Dean Ornish diet is great…if you want to look Dean Ornish”.
[quote]Bonesaw93 wrote:
I really do give up on vegans. If they want to be Vegan for ethical reasons (which to me is still dumb) or religious reasons, so be it. But, to try and play the “health or performance” card is pure retarded[/quote]
They pull that all the time. So tired of hearing “everyone would be better off and perform better if we all adopted a vegan diet”…they neglect the fact that vegans who don’t supplement eventually succumb to pernicious anemia due to lack of vitamin b12
[/quote]
Yeah that stuff annoys me. What’s the evidence? I used to have a martial arts instructor who was vegan. A lot of the students were vegan too. He was always telling me that I would be better in every way if I stopped eating meat.
My reply was “well why am I the only one still on my feet at the end of the session?”
Seriously they were weak as. They were acting like they were anemic, but telling each other how good they felt. It was really bizarre.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Here’s what I don’t understand, Jehova’sFitness. You condemn wheat consumption in that other thread, yet extol the virtues of red meat to anyone who will listen. The case against wheat is much flimsier, yet you make profound statements such as “eliminating from the American diet will eliminate the rates of chronic diseases” or something like that.
And yet when somebody dares to suggest that consuming eggs, fish, poultry & dairy preferentially to beef is a healthier long-term plan, you get up in arms, saying that the mounds of evidence supporting this is all worthless, that the researchers conducting it are biased or agenda-driven, and so forth.
I just can’t seem to make sense of your position.[/quote]
Thats because his position doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t the main thing be digestion?
Been reading ‘the china study’ and it says the healthiest people are the ones who eat mainly fruit and vegetables. It later says that the people don’t cook anything.
The richer people eat meat and they cook it.
Then he says you need protein from plants and shit. And protein is the main determining factor in bodyweight.
Recently I have been reading a lot on digestive enzymes and when ever you cook anything these enzymes become destroyed.
I have been taking an enzyme supplement for a couple weeks and have noticed I don’t bloat, actually have energy after I eat big and not lethargic etc. Better mood and when I’m awake I am alert!
So my main point is, does it not come down to digestion?
China Study debunked:
Not just digestion, but also absorption
Debunked by one nobody.
Anyway I wasn’t stating that meat was good or bad (correlation doesn’t equal causation but where else do most studies gather info/findings?)
You are right with absorption. But if your body can digest things you eat well why would it throw broken down nutrients away?
I have read that people who eat a highly processed diet have higher white blood count, and are always in a battle with their own body. It was said that their pancreas (one of the main enzyme producers) was inflamed and not functioning properly.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
Debunked by one nobody.
Anyway I wasn’t stating that meat was good or bad (correlation doesn’t equal causation but where else do most studies gather info/findings?)
You are right with absorption. But if your body can digest things you eat well why would it throw broken down nutrients away?
I have read that people who eat a highly processed diet have higher white blood count, and are always in a battle with their own body. It was said that their pancreas (one of the main enzyme producers) was inflamed and not functioning properly.
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Many people have come to bat and pointed out the fallacies associated with the China Study. What do you mean throw broken down nutrients away? Also cooking food does not = highly processed. Do you have a link to the study about higher white blood count and pancreatitis associated with certain diets?
I have only recently begun to learn about enzymes after reading it on another forum, they said to look up Dr. Edward Howell and all his writings.
Can’t cite any studies as he did all his research out of his own lab I believe.
I’m saying digestion is what’s important as what doesn’t get digested gets discarded, absorption can only take place if digestion is complete.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
Debunked by one nobody.
Anyway I wasn’t stating that meat was good or bad (correlation doesn’t equal causation but where else do most studies gather info/findings?)
You are right with absorption. But if your body can digest things you eat well why would it throw broken down nutrients away?
I have read that people who eat a highly processed diet have higher white blood count, and are always in a battle with their own body. It was said that their pancreas (one of the main enzyme producers) was inflamed and not functioning properly.
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try reading it, mr science
another excellent article:
Cooking food was howw we evolved biggert brains, by cooking you do indeed dcenature enzyme (why if we eat raw meat weget ill aswe no longer produce the enzymes to digest it raw). Because cooking makes protien more bioavailable (basically predigests it in effect) it meant thay outr gut could shrink and we didnt have to spend all day foraging for berries and digeasting food, more energy was available for brain growth.
Meat made us human
Brilliant