[quote]rainjack wrote:
And that is precisely my point. The fucksticks like vroom are taking the last 100 years as some sort of basis from which to judge a living, breathing organism that is, by all accounts, billions of years old.
If one can’t see the utter fucking stupidity in that sort of thinking - well - I hear PETA, and Greenpeace can use a few good men. [/quote]
You sir, are an ignorant jackass.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
vroom stated that we “impact the earth in a myriad of ways”. This entire discussion is a rebuttal to his bullshit. You even agree with me that we can’t impact the earth, as it is a “big hunk of rock…”
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Oh, is that what started this tirade?
Look, connect a few dots there skippy. We cause acid rain and kill fish in some lakes, we don’t get to go fishing in those lakes anymore.
It’s a minor point whether or not we “impact the Earth” or “impact life on the Earth”. Your mother Gaia hippy-tastic view of Earth notwithstanding, in general, talking about environmental issues means talking about the impact we have on our environment and the impact that in turn has on us.
Was that so difficult? I’ll check back in a few days to see what kind of stance you want to invent for me this time around.
[quote]Heliotrope wrote:
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Gore may be a hypocrite but the message that the U.S. could and should update its environmental policy is still a good idea. [/quote]
Extremely good post overall. Would that your summary above were actually Al Gore’s message…
[quote]new2training wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2007/edition_08-26-2007/Intelligence_Report
What’s Really Heating Up the Planet?
Coal-mine fires in China and India could be huge culprits in global warming. In China alone, up to 200 million tons of coal go up in flames each year�??which may be equivalent to America�??s total carbon-dioxide emissions from gasoline. India�??s mine fires waste up to 10 million tons of coal annually. The pollution has made land in both countries uninhabitable. And the problem is expected to worsen.
Now experts are asking if controlling mine fires in Asia might be a key to reducing global warming. Economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth, for one, argues that it would likely be more efficient than offsets like planting trees or cleaning the ocean.
So, what can be done? One possible remedy being developed in the U.S. is a nitrogen-laced foam. It was used recently to put out a mine fire in West Virginia. (Emissions from coal-mine fires in the U.S. are a fraction of Asia�??s.) Deploying such a successful foam in China and India�??both of which would like help�??could drastically reduce damage from long-burning fires, which are very difficult to extinguish fully.
Interesting.
How the heck do you come across this stuff?
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I read it in my Sunday paper and googled it so I could share.
[quote]merlin wrote:
Global warming …nah, couldn’t be. Why would a politician lie about something like that? Arn’t politicians the pinnacle of the honesty profession?[/quote]
Very interesting graph. Where did you get it?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
new2training wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
http://www.parade.com/articles/editions/2007/edition_08-26-2007/Intelligence_Report
What’s Really Heating Up the Planet?
Coal-mine fires in China and India could be huge culprits in global warming. In China alone, up to 200 million tons of coal go up in flames each year�??which may be equivalent to America�??s total carbon-dioxide emissions from gasoline. India�??s mine fires waste up to 10 million tons of coal annually. The pollution has made land in both countries uninhabitable. And the problem is expected to worsen.
Now experts are asking if controlling mine fires in Asia might be a key to reducing global warming. Economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth, for one, argues that it would likely be more efficient than offsets like planting trees or cleaning the ocean.
So, what can be done? One possible remedy being developed in the U.S. is a nitrogen-laced foam. It was used recently to put out a mine fire in West Virginia. (Emissions from coal-mine fires in the U.S. are a fraction of Asia�??s.) Deploying such a successful foam in China and India�??both of which would like help�??could drastically reduce damage from long-burning fires, which are very difficult to extinguish fully.
Interesting.
How the heck do you come across this stuff?
I read it in my Sunday paper and googled it so I could share.[/quote]
It’s fascinating. I googled and read some more about it. Some of those coal fires can burn for hundreds of years.
Unbelievable
[quote]new2training wrote:
It’s fascinating. I googled and read some more about it. Some of those coal fires can burn for hundreds of years.
Unbelievable[/quote]
There is one in Centralia PA which is onlt a couple hours from me that has been burning since the 60’s.
Most of the town has been abandoned but there are still a few people that live up there. People sometimes go 4 wheeling down main street between houses in town. It is surreal. I keep meaning to ride my motorcycle up there to check it out.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
new2training wrote:
It’s fascinating. I googled and read some more about it. Some of those coal fires can burn for hundreds of years.
Unbelievable
There is one in Centralia PA which is onlt a couple hours from me that has been burning since the 60’s.
Most of the town has been abandoned but there are still a few people that live up there. People sometimes go 4 wheeling down main street between houses in town. It is surreal. I keep meaning to ride my motorcycle up there to check it out.[/quote]
If you go up there, keep moving, you may melt your tires 