oh ok! misread, sorry.
yeah the glutes are a bitch to hit the first couple of times
Hey, just a little update concerning my diet ON cycle, and few modification concerning it.
Aiming to add the most mass I can, I realized that I don’t need a large amount of differents compounds. More is not better. It’s why I will drop the EQ and just run the Test E and some Dbol. The final cycle looks like that :
1-10 Test E (500mg/week) - FRONTLOADING 750mg the first day
1-6 Dbol (40mg/day)
11-12 Anavar (40mg/day) - To help to keep the gain only - can be switched by Primo Tabs - maybe useless.
1-12 HCG (2x250iu/week)
1-12 Exemestane (12,5mg/day) - If estrogenic symptoms, will increase it to 25mg/day.
PCT :
13-16 Toremifene (60mg/day)
13-16 Exemestane (25mg/day)
Note : Last injection the 1st day of the 10th week.
FOOD is the most anabolic substance around here.
That will be my mass building diet on cycle :
(auto-edited to not be responsible of a someone’s kidney failure) (By the way, if someone wants to look at it, I can give it to him in PM without any problem 
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Have you followed a low fat, Low sugar, VERY clean 7500kcals bulking diet before?
I think you are in for a shock if not.
It is extremely difficult for anyone (in shape) to eat this much and I happen to know that one of the BIGGEST posters on this site actually eats around this amount when HE is bulking and even he says it is a bitch.
You are going to struggle eating just oatmeal, sweet potato and wholewheat bread to gain the maximum amount of size. Struggle to the extent that i will be surprised if you can do it - and if you actually do, you will gain too much fat even eating so clean, as it is probably more than you need to gain (i assume, looking at your pic).
JMO - But what do i know i’m just a noob self proclaimed guru apparently…
[quote]J-J wrote:
Have you followed a low fat, Low sugar, VERY clean 7500kcals bulking diet before?
I think you are in for a shock if not.
It is extremely difficult for anyone (in shape) to eat this much and I happen to know that one of the BIGGEST posters on this site actually eats around this amount when HE is bulking and even he says it is a bitch.
You are going to struggle eating just oatmeal, sweet potato and wholewheat bread to gain the maximum amount of size. Struggle to the extent that i will be surprised if you can do it - and if you actually do, you will gain too much fat even eating so clean, as it is probably more than you need to gain (i assume, looking at your pic).
JMO - But what do i know i’m just a noob self proclaimed guru apparently…[/quote]
Like you said, all this stuff is VERY clean. No, I haven’t eaten that much before, but I haven’t been on gear before, and I haven’t been as serious as I am now. You are maybe right man, but I will try. If I become fat, I reduce the carbs, if I can’t eat that much, I just reduce a little bit the quantities, it’s as simple as that. But one thing is sure : My diet will be clean.
Moreover, I truly think that adding adipose tissue is not a problem during a bulking period. My main goal is to add as much muscle than I can. I am young, I must grow. Cutting is an another world, a world that I will discover just after that.
To continue, I am not a fan of sugar. I prefer eating an apple than eating candy. Not because of the diet, but because of the taste. It’s why I am confident with this diet, it won’t be a problem to eat clean. (Maybe I will add just a spoonful of Nutella to help to eat the 6 slices of wholewheat bread).
I am actually in a the phase where I try some ingredients. I didn’t write this diet at random, I write this diet because I know I can eat all the stuff here. At this moment, It’s not a problem to eat 10oz of meat with 120g of wholebread with fruits and juices ( my last meal), and I can eat much more. I just need to add 2 sweets potatoes and a protein shake. Very very easy. Don’t forget I will be on gear and I will add some HIT cardio post workout (7-10 min) to make me more hungry.
To finish, why do you say that you are a noob ? I have never said something like that, so the reference must belong to another thread. Your advices are good man, don’t be so sad ;). Anyway, I thank you for your help bro, because you are maybe right.
PS : The diet is what I aim to do. If I throw up every time, I will adjust it. But I will try the hardest I can, and I truly think than I can handle a diet like that.
lol! I am not sad, but thankyou anyway 
Yes, it was nothing you said bruv - we are fine
IMO and IME those who are honestly committed to adding as much muscle as possible, they do better from loosening up the diet. On the most basic level you have the higher calorie intake possible from the fats and you have the insulin from the inclusion of simpler carbs - even your potato source is a lower GI option!
It is of course your call and it is your body and your journey… but as a bodybuilder do not be closed minded to loosening (i am not saying eat ‘merde’ for food) the diet as it is a very valid way to MAXIMISING muscle IF (and IMO only if) you are planning and able to drop that fat at a later date (the standard bulk and cut cycle, etc).
You are in good shape though mate and you are going to do well - of that i am sure.
[quote]J-J wrote:
lol! I am not sad, but thankyou anyway Yes, it was nothing you said bruv - we are fine
IMO and IME those who are honestly committed to adding as much muscle as possible, they do better from loosening up the diet. On the most basic level you have the higher calorie intake possible from the fats and you have the insulin from the inclusion of simpler carbs - even your potato source is a lower GI option!
It is of course your call and it is your body and your journey… but as a bodybuilder do not be closed minded to loosening (i am not saying eat ‘merde’ for food) the diet as it is a very valid way to MAXIMISING muscle IF (and IMO only if) you are planning and able to drop that fat at a later date (the standard bulk and cut cycle, etc).
You are in good shape though mate and you are going to do well - of that i am sure.[/quote]
Hehe bro, I was editing my message while you were writing yours. It’s exactly what I will do (read the one above when it will be editing) : Bulking and Cutting. My high GI carbs will be only post workout :). Thank you for your compliment bro and don’t worry, I know you are a knowledgeable guy (because I have read some of your posts ;))
I think it would be cool to see a video of a few of those meals. That is a little less than double of what I need to eat to gain weight and I simply can not fathom eating that much. I’ve seen Kai Greene eat a 1200 calorie meal but I’d like to see a regular human do it. Good luck man.
1200kcal meal? Bonez… are you saying you have never eaten a 1200kcal meal? That is strange.
A Macdonalds ‘Big tasty’ burger was around 1000kcals… and a large Milkshake is something like 1200kcal IIRC.
[quote]Rayzen02 wrote:
To continue, I am not a fan of sugar. I prefer eating an apple than eating candy.[/quote]
I didn’t mean sugar - as in sucre… but processed carbs. Fibre and such will blunt the insulin release somewhat… but still.
You mentioned that fat is a necessary evil etc… true. But more food does not always mean more muscle and when overeating to the tune this diet will mean, you are theoretically going to add significantly more fat than you need to - or at least eat more food than you need to grow (offsetting the fat with cardio).
Now - if you added 25mcg of T3 a day with this diet plus anabolics… you could expect more from that level of food eaten…
But this is not a suggestion, merely an observation.
[quote]J-J wrote:
1200kcal meal? Bonez… are you saying you have never eaten a 1200kcal meal? That is strange.
A Macdonalds ‘Big tasty’ burger was around 1000kcals… and a large Milkshake is something like 1200kcal IIRC.[/quote]
No I have. Wasn’t saying that at all. I was saying that I’ve seen Kai Greene eat one (out of 6) 1200 calorie meal on video. I don’t expect this guy to video tape all of his meals throughout the day so I just said it’d be cool to see one of these big meals in action.
When I eat a 1000 calorie meal theres usally only 4 other 500-700 calorie meals throughout the rest of the day. 7500 is beyond my comprehension
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
J-J wrote:
1200kcal meal? Bonez… are you saying you have never eaten a 1200kcal meal? That is strange.
A Macdonalds ‘Big tasty’ burger was around 1000kcals… and a large Milkshake is something like 1200kcal IIRC.
No I have. Wasn’t saying that at all. I was saying that I’ve seen Kai Greene eat one (out of 6) 1200 calorie meal on video. I don’t expect this guy to video tape all of his meals throughout the day so I just said it’d be cool to see one of these big meals in action.
When I eat a 1000 calorie meal theres usally only 4 other 500-700 calorie meals throughout the rest of the day. 7500 is beyond my comprehension[/quote]
Ok, I will tape some of them, and one of my training too
J-J, your T3 observation is not bad. It’s a low dose, it will boost protein synthesis, why not…Anyway, I need more informations about that ;).
For what it’s worth, I inject solely in my quads. Not a problem so far. Glutes are a pain in the ass, so to speak.
Yeah, me too. I doubt that i will ever be the size where i will ever need that many kcals.
As a comparison:
I am 5’8" and 215lbs and around 13-14% today. I am eating a maintenance diet which is no more than 3000kcal!
lol!
[quote]J-J wrote:
Yeah, me too. I doubt that i will ever be the size where i will ever need that many kcals.
As a comparison:
I am 5’8" and 215lbs and around 13-14% today. I am eating a maintenance diet which is no more than 3000kcal!
lol! [/quote]
3000Kcal maintenance diet is not nothing J-J
And I am sure that you are under 13-14%. You are the kind of guy who underestimates himself and actually looks like a beast.
PS : You wrote some french words in your posts…Do you speak french ?