I think in most cases people are civil enough. In this case that did not happen, and a few people were coming in with the I have read this literature, by these top doctors, so I know more than everyone else here. That should not fly, IMO.
Very true and I do agree with you
There is so much more to acne than estrogen. DHT and etc.
Donât take aromusin. Take dose daily and take more.
Go to YouTube and find the lifting dermatologist and watch his video on acne.
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We need create a balance and allow the body to do the rest. It works you jsut have to trust in your bodies natural ability. Dbossa is guiding you well. He consults and speaks to many of the Trt docs often. Guys you see in youfube all the time.
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I would say that the E2 is not likely the cause of any acne for you.
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Hey guys, and girls? Ok, no more time for humor, this is serious. I am creating a thread regarding my strange high E2 level.
So, i take test enanthate for about 1 year. Before starting i went and got my blood work done.
Here are the results from the test on
10/19/2018:
E2: 18.57pg/ml
Total T: 4.52 ng/ml
I have taken many blood tests since i started taking test. I often inject 175-250mg once per 5 days to 1 week.
In the past 1-2 months i have experienced terrible acne on the back (backne). It freaks me out because all my life i got maybe 1 or two pimples on my back every month. Now i have about 50-200. I canât count them. They are so numerous like injun head popping up over the horizon.
My E2 and T has been consistenly high since i started taking test. I am also carrying a lot of fat. Is it âwater weightâ or just a result of eating too many carbs? I donât know. I lift as much as 3-4 times per week. I am trying to cut out the carbs.
So, after 1-2 months of lowering my dosage dramatically I have tried to lower my E2 and get backne off my dick. Pardon the crudeness but I feel it is necessary to express a little animal cruelty when writing on the TNation.
I keep careful record of all my injections and dosage amounts on my workout calendar. I printout all of my blood test results. On May 1 i started to inject 50mg per every 5-7 days. It is June 18 as i write this letter to my Dear Broski.
Here are the test results (test taken two days after injection of 50mg test enanthate):
Total T: 7.67 ng/ml
E2: 50.77 pg/ml
PS, I am located in Greece. I do not know if you guys use the same measuring system for these hormones. Basically, my E2 and T are both at high levels but well within the normal. So, you can imagine how high my E2 and T levels go when I inject 100mg (far out of the normal range).
I await your thoughts on this matter.
767 ng/dL
50.77 pg/ml (this IS our usual unit of measure)
I dont think that your T to E ratio is that out of whack. This looks normal. Do you have any other symptoms besides the acne?
Just remember that anytime you mess with your protocol your body is going to go haywire. If I up my dose or drop my dose by 10mg my back will breakout as well as my shoulders and chest. It goes away after about 6 weeks of maintaining my protocol. If you were taking 3-4 times this amount for 9 months and recently changed, the acne (if prone) would be expected.
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how much does it cost to get test in the US, say in california, where I from? i think i will be moving back soon. In greece you can buy an ampule of 250mg enanthat for 5 euros. you donât need a script to buy it. cialis also does not require a script.
Hey NH. thanks for your responses.
my T E ratio has been lockstep since i started taking test. they go up and down proportionally at the same rate.
i do not have any other symptoms except for acne. Actually, the changes I have experience from taking test are mostly all positive. Of course I develop high RBC count after 3-6 months. So i donate blood to alleviate myself.
i really appreciate the info you said on this, regarding changes to dosage causing outbreaks. thatâs going to change how i medicate myself in the future.
i have some other questions. So we believe the change in the dosage causes breakouts. But does also a change in frequency cause breakouts? This question prompts questions concerning micro dosing.
One question i have about micro dosing is, if i do it every day or every other day, do i need to use a different needle tip every day? So aromatisation will occur less if i micro dose, letâs say every other day? Is there a golden rule to this or a protocol what works for most people? what works for you?
(I plan to start taking body building steroids on top of my test dosing.) I will do a cycle program, maybe 8 or 12 weeks.
Guys, when I younger and puberty hit my back was loaded with acne (and my face for that matter). It went away in my early twenties. Now that I am on TRT I have some issues with it. HCG made it 100 times worse (I now have scars that will never go away). I had MORE acne when I was taking the AI. I have the least amount of acne now with no HCG, no AI, and higher levels of testosterone that I ever took before. Some guys get breakouts when taking DHEA but it doesnât seem to affect me. Here are a few videos from The Lifting Dermatologist on the subject:
What did your DHEA measure before you started supplementing and what is your DHEA dose?
It may.
Yes. They are cheap enough so never take a chance with contamination.
Regarding your other questions itâs all pretty subjective. One guy can inject 200mg every 14 days and be fine and another guy needs to inject multiple times a week to feel any benefit. Trial and error and blood work.
If you think someone will be optimized on 200mg every 2 weeks and feel fine, Iâve got news for you: he wonât 
DHEA was 255 ug/dL (89-428). Adding 50mg daily puts me at 513. The numbers are irrelevant. I feel much better taking 50mg DHEA daily so I take it. I donât measure DHEA anymore. I donât measure E2 anymore or DHT for that matter.
The numbers may be irrelevant once youâre optimized but I am looking for the least effective dose to treat symptoms. I came in at DHEA of 211 with my last blood test and am going to start 50mg daily as well and see how I feel⊠Like you I may test it once after 6 weeks or so of supplementing to see where it takes me but after that I dont really care. Also like you I may not test E2 anymore because it follows my T protocol. 220mg a week of Tcyp puts my E2 around 100 and it feels no different than 140mg of Tcyp a week with E2 at 65 so really no need. 220mg also puts my FT at 457 and TT at 2000. That was an EOD protocol.
Free T at 457 means your labs are in pg/mL. Converted to ng/dL it works out to 45.7 (no wonder you feel great!). Like I said, you want to take the least amount required to resolve symptoms. 50mg a day of DHEA usually seems to be more than enough for most guys. Some guys I know go up to 100mg daily.
Well that was on my higher dose. These days I am at 140mg a week (two shots) so my numbers are slightly lower.
Thanks for the info on the DHEA. Im starting at 50mg and will see if my symptoms resolve. Do you supplement pregnenolone? Im taking 100mg a day and it helped a bit but not entirely.
If your symptoms remain resolved at the lower dose than keep it there. The goal is to feel great and have no symptoms at the lowest dose possible. Sounds to me like youâre âoptimizedâ.
Pregnenelone is hit and miss. My libido and erection quality takes a hit when I take it for some reason. Other guys are taking 50mg a day morning and night and feel much better compared to not taking it. Itâs one of those things that you have to experiment with. 50mg in the morning, give it a few weeks, assess how you feel (and log it, very important!). If you feel good, try 100mg and see if you feel the same or better or worse. Etc. Give these things some time before making any decision.
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Ive been on 100mg preg since March I think and it pulled away some of the fogginess but not all. I didnt introduce DHEA at the time to keep it orderly. Also, I believe it was Meehan or Komenarik that said âIf a guy is foggy I get him on pregnenolone immediately and then sometimes DHEA is needed as well.â Fogginess and short term memory issues still plague me.
200-250 of test enanthate puts my e2 at 100-120. you never get gyno issues? i have never had them. but at age 42 my body is getting softer and i do not know if this is normal or not but my nips are kind of soft and pointy instead of flat and hard. sometimes they are hard but not always. i do not know if this is a result of body fat, age or elevated e levels. but i have become hyper aware of the appearance of my nipples and to the point where i cannot clearly comprehend their struture/normal or abnormality. i mean they look normal but i worry about it a bit. i have no lumps or anything like that.
generally speaking, i would rather take 500mg of test per week than 100-250. i want to gain a lot of muscle mass. but i just do not know what the limitations are due to the E levels.
i do not want to get gyno and go through the procedure of surgery and all that crap. but i want to get semi monsterous in size. and as i mentioned i am psychologically ready to start taking other kinds of steroids, such a deca or dianabol or tren, or other. i cant get any of these drugs.
i will have to butt smuggle them but i guess it is worth it. i will also pussy smuggle them in my gf. she is pro roids. blah blah blahba.
so maybe i can dodge gyno if i do cycles of 8 -12 weeks. maybe that time frame is too brief for gyno to start?
maybe i can take test up to 250 (so long as my E level stays below 150?). at what E level am i really pushing my luck in developing gyno?
and guidance would be appreciated. i realize everyoneâs body reacts differently. but maybe my hormones and their changes to these drugs are kind of normal and i can make some generalizations/speculations about possibly scenarios?
this thread started to get me to learn about dhea. so you guys are injecting it. is it a controlled drug?
where can i learn more, other than wiki? you guys are talking about like it is is as important as testosterone. are you getting ripped on this stuff with no side effects?