Tongkat Ali and other plants with hormonal enhancing properties definitely have a long history for helping men and women. Patience is the key and you stuck with it. That’s great! As for women, you don’t have to be in a relationship. Dating sites aside, if you see a woman you find attractive, start up a conversation and invite her for a drink or coffee. Why get your sex function restored and not use it, even if it’s only now and then?
Can you post what brand, etc. you are taking for the others here?
This is blasphemy and isn’t allowed in here. Using an AI and not liking high E2 seems to rub people wrong here.
Show evidence of this if E2 was never crashed.
Show evidence of what happening if E2 wasnt crashed? You gotta quote me if you want me have some kind of reference to what I posted on a thread with multiple posts from me.
This.
Well… the proof is in the pudding. Just read all over this forum and you can see it for yourself. Not everyone is plagued when taking an AI, but those taking an AI seem to have a reason for taking it. Its a personal choice. But no one is patient enough to go through a year of TRT with no AI. If you’re having ED issues, the problem may not be hormonal. It could be arterial, or a deficiency. If you want a study you aint gonna get it. Not everything is a study in here. The main issue for us is low T, and not aromatase issues. Manually adjusting your aromatase affects a myriad of things. Some go unnoticed and others become clear.
No. That’s just a lot of assumption on your part.
Sure. Whatever you say.
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I do say it. The proof is in the pudding because all you guys are is a biased vocal minority that have overtaken the forums and youtube by storm. There are plenty AI success stories, but guess what they aren’t on these forums. Even so there are clearly people here who took the AI and fixed all there symptoms, but do you care that that clearly contradicts your opinion? You guys act like you are the only ones who trialed and errored while nobody else has. Its a clear phenomenon on the forums when you got newbies who maybe only been on TRT for 6 months tops spewing the same anti AI E2 loving narrative.
I can tell you something else you don’t want to hear. Every pharmacy I have worked at the majority of the dudes picking up their TRT are infact using AI and loving their results. And I mean by far the majority because I am trying hard to recall one dude who at least didn’t even have a recent AI refill and I just can’t, but for benefit of doubt I would say “huge majority”. I even pull them aside and quiz them and talk to them about, they all say that it has helped and its something they need. Letting E2 go freely has not worked for them. A lot of them are not poisoned by these forums as they look even a bit confused when I start spewing to them the typical E2 loving narrative, they don’t agree with it based off of their experience.
Get this clear, not only you, but all the E2 loving AI haters in here. You guys are NOT the majority, you are just the loudest cheerleaders by far. So remember, proof is indeed in the pudding, you are just being selective what pudding you are selecting and ignoring.
Edit: I also have read through this forum and reddit, and unlike you I actually remember some posts and follow up with some guys after a month or 2. You wouldn’t believe how many one timers or dude who were just here for a week made a “EOD solved my issues I no longer need any AI” just to say that things went back to crap after that 1-2 month period. Again you are paying attention to a minority who it did work for, but the difference being for these dudes is they stayed around here to yell it from the roof tops.
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I’m the OP and I just resumed using anastrazole. My T protocol, starting last week, is now 34 mg, IM, EOD, since I was finding, after three months on once weekly, that my mood and energy would decline after the fourth or fifth day. Tried 50 mg E3.5 days but still had mood/energy issues. I concede that with bipolar illness and sleep problems, there’s never any consistency to my mood and energy but EOD ‘seems’ better.
Regarding AI use, yesterday morning, 6 a.m., took 1 mg of AZ. By the evening, my libido was strong and had some erectile function, which I had to coax, but remained hard,on and off, for about 20 minutes. Mood was much better, too. I know; one day proves nothing and I’m knowledgeable enough to understand that, yet was pleasantly surprised because my past experiences with AZ were on .25 mg, once or twice a week for a short time because of all I’d read about avoiding an ai. I’m recalling a man I used to chat with on another forum. He was 62 and had pellet implantation(not Testopel). His first three months were hit and miss. His E2 was high(I don’t recall the number). His doctor put him on letrezole, working up to 2.5 mg, weekly, On his second implantation, his libido and erections took off, like he was 18. His gf, 63, also had pellet implantation. Sex four to five times a week. I cried because I so envied that man.
I don’t know if an ai will be the missing piece for my less than successful 8 year testosterone journey, but my rigid avoidance of using AZ might have kept me and my wife from once again having a sex life, even in the midst of a problematic marriage.
Some nice proof in the pudding right there. Just in case look into compounding pharmacies. I use defy and they compound big round tablets of 0.125mg which I can further break down into halves or quarters. 1mg sounds like a lot but if you find a frequency with it that works then good.
See and this is a perfect example I speak of. Had I not replied to him yesterday and this post would have disappeared in the archives, and you never would have posted that update, I would bet he would have added you to his stat books. You would have just been another case he cracked with the usual E2 loving Anti AI narrative.
Thanks for the compounding information and thank you for the encouragement.
As for my dose, yesterday, it was more of, ‘Let’s see what happens’ rather than something well thought out. I know that ‘low and slow’ or at least ‘start low’ is the more rational way to titrate. There are variations on titration, from a small dose, daily or two or three times a week to one guy I’ve spoken with who found .5 mg, daily,(3.5 mg, weekly, with an E2 <5) restored erections and improved physical/mental wellness. My urologist has 30 years experience and is open minded. He hasn’t given up on me, LOL. Time will tell if adding AZ will be restorative.
99% of the doctor’s patients are NOT taking an AI.
Jesus man we’ve all seen that obnoxious channel before, we all have heard Danny Bossa’s preachings, this isn’t new my guy. What I will ask you is to provide proof of that 99% stat you mentioned.
Buddy, I get an AI refill with every T refill too, and so do many men. Usually those pills end up back at my local CVS where they dispose of them. Throwing them in the trash or toilet is not the right thing to do. Ive told my Clinic multiple times that I dont need an refill AI or needles, and they keep sending them out. With that logic Im using 25g needles too. Look, Im not just a cheerleader. Im a player too. Been in it for over two years so I get ya, when a preacher walks in and starts to spew old shit weve heard before, those guys who have to take an AI, become very irritated. Guess what? I dont preach. At this point, TRT should begin with no AI, and if needed it can be added. But you have to start off with no AI to be sure. Am I right? If you disagree then I have no choice but to leave you be. Now will you please stop writing out the word pudding? Reminds me of Sam Jackson in Pulp Fiction “ Say what again. Say what again,I dare you,I double-dare you motherfucker,say what one more goddamn time!” LOL!!!
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You said, “ Get this clear, not only you, but all the E2 loving AI haters in here. You guys are NOT the majority, you are just the loudest cheerleaders by far. So remember, proof is indeed in the pudding, you are just being selective what pudding you are selecting and ignoring.”
I provided a video of a doctor who stated unequivocally, that 99% of his patients DO NOT use an AI. Watch the video.
Sure. Whatever you say.
Funny how you ignored the part where I talk to them and get information. Keep on cheering as honest conversation isn’t your thing.
Lol yes that one doctor on that one biased TRT channel made a statement. Well that sure showed us!
If you watched the video, you’d have seen that the doctor said that he was taught to give testosterone, an AI, and HCG. That was what he was told to use as a protocol for patients. It wasn’t until he started to do his own research, that he learned he was taught wrong, therefore he was wrong. That’s not a sign of a biased doctor. That’s a sign of someone who is willing to admit he was wrong, learn from that, and better help his patients.