Abscess Experience

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[quote]5.0 wrote:
Hey Dave_, that is very peculiar. Having only done two cycles, I’ve yet to run into that one.

I have only one thought, as far as procedure, if what you have is related to the injection. Of course, since there seems to be no infection, this may have no bearing at all.

My first cycle, I had one bad injection, which resulted in swelling, redness, fever, etc, over the course of a week or so. What I changed after that, was to add swabbing the injection site with an alcohol swab after I remove the needle, to try and avoid any pathogens trying to creep in the site post injection. Until then, I just covered the site with a tissue or pad. Since then, there have been no problems.

Now watch my next injection, I’ll end up with an absess!! Given your medical background, I’d imagine your method is impeccable, as it is. Just wanted to add my .02. [/quote]

Thanks for the response 5.0.

Yes, to be honest, I don’t see any fault with my technique, which leaves me two options; a dud needle which hasn’t been sterilised properly, or a dodgy amp amongst my batch of so-far perfect ones. Maybe there are other explanations, but I certainly can’t think of them!

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[quote]Dave_ wrote:
Thanks JJ. What is slightly odd is that there is no redness, swelling, heat, pain, or loss of function! Yet if I aspirate, there is still pus in there.

My injection technique and sterility are always tip-top, and my current batch of amps have never given me problems before. I suppose pus can still be present even when there are no pathogens, but given the above, it does seem odd.

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you need to be careful here,I had an abcess under my arm that was caused by staph .had it for several months
and it wasnt red,warm,hurt or anything it was just there.
and I would lance it then it was gone cept for the red spot of course
then few days later back again filled with more puss.

docs couldnt find any signs of infection or anything in it but when they cultured it come to find out it was staph

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

That the fluid in the abcess is clear is odd, because it should be milky due to presence of dead neutrophils.

DAve: I don’t see why ABs would speed up the granulation process…?

And yes, if the pathogen can’t penetrate it’s enclosure to enter the system then it follows (in my addled mind) that systemic ABs would not be able to be delivered to the pathogen - except by direct injection, which RJ informs me is a common technique in cattle farming.

Bushy[/quote]

Bushy: Is that first bit for me? The fluid in mine is mainly blood and pus it seems. I know pus can be present in the absence of pathogens but 10ml (in one session) of the stuff is quite odd I think.

The ABs speed up the granulation process indirectly, I suppose. They assist the body in localising the infection and so in some cases make an abscess formation possible when it otherwise may not be, and in most cases just help to speed up this process for the same reasons. This is certainly the case in dental abscesses, and I don’t know why this would be any different in my case, but perhaps it is.

I managed to acquire some co-amoxyclav today (nice and broad). They can’t hurt, and may provide some protection if I fuck up my draining and burst the deep wall of the abscess…

I couldn’t find any liquid antibiotics for the intra-abscess idea, I suppose it would be stupid to attempt to make my own?

Dave

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PS- I can’t thank anyone enough for their responses, they have all been most appreciated.

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[quote]nichaaron wrote:

you need to be careful here,I had an abcess under my arm that was caused by staph .had it for several months
and it wasnt red,warm,hurt or anything it was just there.
and I would lance it then it was gone cept for the red spot of course
then few days later back again filled with more puss.

docs couldnt find any signs of infection or anything in it but when they cultured it come to find out it was staph

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LOL, I had the exact same thing for years! BOTH SIDES! Not AAS related - they just appeared one day and sat there for probably 2-3 years. I had my lymphatics checked just in case, but there was no problem and I was advised to “monitor”. Gone now though. Thanks for your 0.02 nichaaron.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
JJ, as I understand it, a sterile abcess is simply a buildup of oil caused by repeatedly injecting the same area over and over with too much frequency.

I have had one of those.

I don’y think that your description of a particle of gear (or any other particle) would trigger the kind of issues we see in Dave_.

I think he has an infected abcess, but that the infection has not been able to enter the circulatory system.

That the fluid in the abcess is clear is odd, because it should be milky due to presence of dead neutrophils.

DAve: I don’t see why ABs would speed up the granulation process…?

And yes, if the pathogen can’t penetrate it’s enclosure to enter the system then it follows (in my addled mind) that systemic ABs would not be able to be delivered to the pathogen - except by direct injection, which RJ informs me is a common technique in cattle farming.

Bushy[/quote]

well due to my situation recently… i have been looking this up.

I cannot find the exact link etc… but it was a good one… i am sure if you google for a respectable amount, you will get the answer.

A sterile abscess is an abscess that is caused by anything other than a bacteria/etc… so, a peice of cotton or something, something that isnt going to infect. the body will react the same of course - with puss. but it is a ‘knee jerk’ reaction… still necessary… an abscess to get rid of the foreign body in the way a spot works (i refer to an above post)

the bolus you talk about, if that is then attacked by the body with the normal reaction - pus, then that would also be a sterile abscess… if not, then i dont know if it would be a strict abscess… maybe a manmade one! lol!

But i believe the above to be true however, although i am open to more inturpretation(sp?)

JJ

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Liquid ABs? Pshhhht, I would make my own to be truthful.

Needs must, when the devil rides…

I would get some sterile water or NaCl from my local needle exchange, snap the top off the amp, tip in some AB powder from a capsule, stir the mix with the tip of a fresh needle, withdraw the mix, leaving any grains at the bottom and inject.

I would drain the abcess first though.

Bushy[/quote]

Lol, thanks Bushy. I may very well try this one out, if it doesn’t resolve soon.

On a positive note, the frequent draining seems to have helped an awful lot.

Thanks for all your help mate :wink:

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Wow. I have no advice whatsoever to give, just a simple “good luck and keep us posted!”

BTW is that something that has happened to many of you? It’s plain scary, and something I’d put in the “potential serious side effect category”!

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Hi SwD, thanks for the good luck wishes.

To keep everyone posted, continual draining has helped a lot.

Also - a slightly wacky method I used might be of interest to some of you;

After 2 days of Co-Amoxyclav (625mg three times per day), to be sure of having a reasonable amount active in my system, I decided to puncture the deep wall of the abscess - IE on the side furthest from the skin.

This was quite risky, as if I opened up a large blood vessel as the needle exited the abscess, I could have ended up with bacteriaemia (of an unpredicatble bacterial load). This is where bacteria enters the bloodstream, and has a potential to reach distant organs (not good!).

Now, bacteriaemias (precursor in some cases to septicaemia) happen all the time to different extents. Toothbrushing and various dental treatments cause minor forms of this and for a healthy individual are nothing to worry about.

The risk of septicaemia obviously increases with larger amounts of bacteria entering the bloodstream.

People who are considered at risk are those with prosthetic heart valves, stents, and huge atherosclerotic plaques. Oh yeah, and diabetics.

I am not any of the above, and most of the pus and (possibly) infective material had been drained externally. Also, I had the ABs in my system.

I am pleased to report that having done this - my abscess is all but resolved. I imagine within a day or two it will be as if it was never there.

I also trained upper body for the first time in about 10days yesterday! :smiley:

Thanks for dropping in anyone! I will be happy to answer any more Q’s if anyone has any.

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Well, this has been one of the scariest threads I have read in a long while. The problem combined with the detail of treatment and that pic at the start gave me the shivers each time I clicked here…

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually that’s quite a nice protocol you developed there Dave.

  1. Consume oral ABs.
  2. Wait a short time for them to become active.
  3. Drain abcess.
  4. Puncture ‘back wall’ of abcess to allow ingress of AB-loaded blood.

Sweet idea.

OooH, oooh, I’ve just had another one! You could (as a precursor step), withdraw some of your own AB-loaded blood from a vein and inject it into the abcess (post drainage).

This would give your blood a ‘round one’ with the pathogen, before you puncture the back wall, to allow the systemic circulation to mop up stragglers.

This would (should) further minimise risk of bacteriaemia.

Bushy[/quote]

If I get an abscess, I am coming to you for an operation, Dr. BBB. And yes, that picture makes my toes curl every time I look at it too.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Actually that’s quite a nice protocol you developed there Dave.

  1. Consume oral ABs.
  2. Wait a short time for them to become active.
  3. Drain abcess.
  4. Puncture ‘back wall’ of abcess to allow ingress of AB-loaded blood.

Sweet idea.

OooH, oooh, I’ve just had another one! You could (as a precursor step), withdraw some of your own AB-loaded blood from a vein and inject it into the abcess (post drainage).

This would give your blood a ‘round one’ with the pathogen, before you puncture the back wall, to allow the systemic circulation to mop up stragglers.

This would (should) further minimise risk of bacteriaemia.

Bushy[/quote]

I like the extra step you added Bushy, if performed safely I’m sure that would help out a lot.

As for my abscess, it is GONE. I’m not even half way through my ABs yet either. The whole thing resolved overnight once I performed the puncturing, literally.

It’s still a mystery to me as to how I got the abscess though…

Dave

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PS. I hope this thread has helped some people or educated them as to possible steps if an abscess befalls…

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Final ‘refinement’ to your protocol Dave:

Load up on oral ABs.
Drain abcess.
Withdraw own blood from vein.
Inject into abcess.
Wait 12 hours.
Drain abcess.
Withdraw own blood.
Inject into abcess.
Wait 12 hours.
Drain abcess.
Puncture back wall of abcess.
Monitor closely.

It’s basically the same thing, but gives one a chance to assess whether they have ingested the correct ABs for the pathogen.

Bushy[/quote]

This is a very good thread. I think that we should take this information, make a new thread out of it and post this information in hopes if it getting stickied, and then provide a link back to this thread as well as allow any discussion to be continued on the thread to be possibly stickied. Just my 2c.

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The only thing that concerns me is that there are plenty of people out there who could completely fuck this up and cause serious damage. Not the insipid AAS-related damage we constantly warn of, but immediate damage.

If you use a regular syringe, your blood will begin to clot.

If you misjudge the depth of the abscess, and end up injecting your own partially clotted blood into a vessel, CVAs, TIAs, and PEs are all on the menu.

You have to be confident that you can gauge the depth of your abscess when injecting your own blood, and I’m not sure how anyone could do this reliably at home. Aspirating will be of no use, as the syringe will be filled with blood (obviously).

However, if you could get hold of a Vacutainer lined with heparin or similar, the idea is completely feasible as far as I can see.

If this is going to be made into a sticky, I’d really like it to be made idiot proof first. I wouldn’t want someone hurting themselves by copying my wacky ideas!