Abraham

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

The link to the Hoffmeier book I posted addressed the documentary hypothesis and archaeological data. MG Kline (also an Egyptologist) spent a lot of time addressing the documentary hypothesis as well.
http://www.covopc.org/Kline/Dynastic_Covenant.html
Both are ignored. Surprising?
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YAWN So the work of fiction has more than one author? And this is supposed to be surprising?

The editors were very sloppy…

Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 

Genesis 1:27
(The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 

Genesis 2:18-22
(The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man’s rib.)

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 

A major contradiction right there and you are at the start of it.

[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

The link to the Hoffmeier book I posted addressed the documentary hypothesis and archaeological data. MG Kline (also an Egyptologist) spent a lot of time addressing the documentary hypothesis as well.
http://www.covopc.org/Kline/Dynastic_Covenant.html
Both are ignored. Surprising?

YAWN So the work of fiction has more than one author? And this is supposed to be surprising?

The editors were very sloppy…

Genesis 1:25-27
(Humans were created after the other animals.)

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let us make man in our image.... So God created man in his own image.

Genesis 2:18-19
(Humans were created before the other animals.)

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 

Genesis 1:27
(The first man and woman were created simultaneously.)

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 

Genesis 2:18-22
(The man was created first, then the animals, then the woman from the man’s rib.)

And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.... And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. 

A major contradiction right there and you are at the start of it.

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Yawn
http://www.upper-register.com/papers/framework_interpretation.html

http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.1.pdf
http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.2.pdf

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

Yawn
http://www.upper-register.com/papers/framework_interpretation.html

http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.1.pdf
http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.2.pdf
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Actually using the theory that you were espousing earlier, you would have recognized that there were two creation accounts but that they were just written by different rabbis, especially as the one account uses the plural Elohim and the other the singular Yahweh in the second one. Or are you just some kind of fundamentalist whackjob?

[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Yawn
http://www.upper-register.com/papers/framework_interpretation.html

http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.1.pdf
http://www.thirdmill.org/newfiles/mar_futato/TH.Futato.Rained.2.pdf

Actually using the theory that you were espousing earlier, you would have recognized that there were two creation accounts but that they were just written by different rabbis, especially as the one account uses the plural Elohim and the other the singular Yahweh in the second one. Or are you just some kind of fundamentalist whackjob?
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You’re boring me. Oh well.

Does any of this sound kind of Talibanish to anyone else?

Deuteronomy 22

[Brick Testament] Miscellaneous Laws
22:9 Thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with divers seeds: lest the fruit of thy seed which thou hast sown, and the fruit of thy vineyard, be defiled.
22:10 Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.
22:11 Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.
22:12 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself. Thou shalt make fringes on your garments.
22:13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, (22:13-21)
If a man marries and then decides that he hates his wife, he can claim she wasn’t a virgin when they were married. If her father can’t produce the “tokens of her virginity” (bloody sheets), then the woman is to be stoned to death at her father’s doorstep.
Does God approve of capital punishment?
What the Bible says about stoning, capital punishment, marriage, and divorce

[Brick Testament] Proof of Virginity
22:14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
22:15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel’s virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
22:16 And the damsel’s father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
22:17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
22:18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
22:19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
22:20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
22:21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall both of them die.

This one is the worst…

(22:23-24)
City Rape
If a woman is raped in the city and doesn’t cry out loud enough, the men of the city must stone her to death.
Does God approve of capital punishment?
What the Bible says about rape, stoning, and capital punishment

[Brick Testament] Rape
22:22 If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
22:23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
22:24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour’s wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
22:25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. Country Rape
If a woman is raped in the country, then only the man shall die (since there was no one to hear her if she cried out.)
22:26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
22:27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; (22:28-29)
If a man rapes an unbetrothed virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels of silver and then marry her.
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
22:30 A man shall not take his father’s wife, nor discover his father’s skirt.

Of course it does and what coincidence: look around in some of the more moralic threads (for instance the kiddie porn thread)and you’ll find out that quite a few of the cavedwellers apparently moved to the US.

Salaam Alaykum!