Or this:
Sometimes even this:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ok…Why are you worried about me? [/quote]
You frighten the other sheep.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Come on Varq. We don’t do that when you get out of line in America. We do this:
mike[/quote]
Oh, you mean this?
And this?
…and sometimes even this?
Yeah, I know.
dustin, varq, and unfortunately, mike:
You contend anything goes.
Got it.
I’ll be over later. I’m bringing my friends. Make sure not to object to anything I do or say. Remember, anything goes.
JeffR
It is true, Lincon did very much believe in his cause. He was an emancipator, he did believe that slavery was wrong.
Causes of the war, that’s a little fuzzier, we did have succession which is economically devastating as well as simply illegal. The South did themselve no favors by not directely trading with the north but forcing a triangle trade with England.
We can speculate why Lincon hated slavery, but the truth is he hated it. Possibly because it was the enabler of the more successful southern economy? Maybe, but in the end I truly believed he tought it morally wrong.
People can say what they wish and can be dishonest and blind if they want to, but the end of slavery here, triggered it’s end world wide save for some tiny pockets.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
It is true, Lincon did very much believe in his cause. He was an emancipator, he did believe that slavery was wrong.
Causes of the war, that’s a little fuzzier, we did have succession which is economically devastating as well as simply illegal. The South did themselve no favors by not directely trading with the north but forcing a triangle trade with England.
We can speculate why Lincon hated slavery, but the truth is he hated it. Possibly because it was the enabler of the more successful southern economy? Maybe, but in the end I truly believed he tought it morally wrong.
People can say what they wish and can be dishonest and blind if they want to, but the end of slavery here, triggered it’s end world wide save for some tiny pockets.[/quote]
As in you were the last civilized nation practicing so stopping it “triggered” the end?
All the other nation stopped it because they simply knew America would follow, thereby leading the way?
Lord Jesus…
[quote]pat36 wrote:
It is true, Lincon did very much believe in his cause. He was an emancipator, he did believe that slavery was wrong.
Causes of the war, that’s a little fuzzier, we did have succession which is economically devastating as well as simply illegal. The South did themselve no favors by not directely trading with the north but forcing a triangle trade with England.
We can speculate why Lincon hated slavery, but the truth is he hated it. Possibly because it was the enabler of the more successful southern economy? Maybe, but in the end I truly believed he tought it morally wrong.
People can say what they wish and can be dishonest and blind if they want to, but the end of slavery here, triggered it’s end world wide save for some tiny pockets.[/quote]
Pat,
Good post.
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
As in you were the last civilized nation practicing so stopping it “triggered” the end?
All the other nation stopped it because they simply knew America would follow, thereby leading the way?
Lord Jesus…[/quote]
bota,
I was hoping you’d avoid this thread. Unfortunately, you are like a bug drawn to light.
You had slaves in austria until America stopped you. I believe mauthausen concentration camp opened August 8th, 1938 and the Americans ended your slave practices May 5th, 1945.
Oh, you did say “civilized” nation. Therefore, technically you were correct. We were one of the last civilized nations practicing it.
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
As in you were the last civilized nation practicing so stopping it “triggered” the end?
All the other nation stopped it because they simply knew America would follow, thereby leading the way?
Lord Jesus…
bota,
I was hoping you’d avoid this thread. Unfortunately, you are like a bug drawn to light.
You had slaves in austria until America stopped you. I believe mauthausen concentration camp opened August 8th, 1938 and the Americans ended your slave practices May 5th, 1945.
Oh, you did say “civilized” nation. Therefore, technically you were correct. We were one of the last civilized nations practicing it.
JeffR
[/quote]
Seen this way American slavery ended in the 70´s with the draft and has not ended in Europe at all, which makes the original point moot, just from the other side.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
…and sometimes even this?
Yeah, I know.[/quote]
What do you mean you “know?”
Remember, there are no limits. Nothing is out of bounds. Any behavior or action is fair game.
There really aren’t any limits. Any attempt to limit your “freedoms” means that there are no freedoms at all.
Signed,
you, dustin, and mike.
P.S. To anyone just joining this discussion, my point was made with extreme sarcasm. Without laws, chaos would ensue.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
…and sometimes even this?
Yeah, I know.
What do you mean you “know?”
Remember, there are no limits. Nothing is out of bounds. Any behavior or action is fair game.
There really aren’t any limits. Any attempt to limit your “freedoms” means that there are no freedoms at all.
Signed,
you, dustin, and mike.
P.S. To anyone just joining this discussion, my point was made with extreme sarcasm. Without laws, chaos would ensue.
[/quote]
Which is of course BS because even plundering warlords are highly organized.
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
…and sometimes even this?
Yeah, I know.
What do you mean you “know?”
Remember, there are no limits. Nothing is out of bounds. Any behavior or action is fair game.
There really aren’t any limits. Any attempt to limit your “freedoms” means that there are no freedoms at all.
Signed,
you, dustin, and mike.
P.S. To anyone just joining this discussion, my point was made with extreme sarcasm. Without laws, chaos would ensue.
Which is of course BS because even plundering warlords are highly organized.
[/quote]
bota,
Correction: Without laws, I would be fine, but, your life would be chaos.
JeffR
[quote]orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
As in you were the last civilized nation practicing so stopping it “triggered” the end?
All the other nation stopped it because they simply knew America would follow, thereby leading the way?
Lord Jesus…
bota,
I was hoping you’d avoid this thread. Unfortunately, you are like a bug drawn to light.
You had slaves in austria until America stopped you. I believe mauthausen concentration camp opened August 8th, 1938 and the Americans ended your slave practices May 5th, 1945.
Oh, you did say “civilized” nation. Therefore, technically you were correct. We were one of the last civilized nations practicing it.
JeffR
Seen this way American slavery ended in the 70´s with the draft and has not ended in Europe at all, which makes the original point moot, just from the other side.
[/quote]
Are you comparing being drafted into military service with Nazi slave camps? A bit of a stretch, even for you.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
As in you were the last civilized nation practicing so stopping it “triggered” the end?
All the other nation stopped it because they simply knew America would follow, thereby leading the way?
Lord Jesus…
bota,
I was hoping you’d avoid this thread. Unfortunately, you are like a bug drawn to light.
You had slaves in austria until America stopped you. I believe mauthausen concentration camp opened August 8th, 1938 and the Americans ended your slave practices May 5th, 1945.
Oh, you did say “civilized” nation. Therefore, technically you were correct. We were one of the last civilized nations practicing it.
JeffR
Seen this way American slavery ended in the 70´s with the draft and has not ended in Europe at all, which makes the original point moot, just from the other side.
Are you comparing being drafted into military service with Nazi slave camps? A bit of a stretch, even for you.[/quote]
No, because the underlying philosophical assumptions are the same.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
JeffR wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
…and sometimes even this?
Yeah, I know.
What do you mean you “know?”
Remember, there are no limits. Nothing is out of bounds. Any behavior or action is fair game.
There really aren’t any limits. Any attempt to limit your “freedoms” means that there are no freedoms at all.
Signed,
you, dustin, and mike.
P.S. To anyone just joining this discussion, my point was made with extreme sarcasm. Without laws, chaos would ensue.
Which is of course BS because even plundering warlords are highly organized.
bota,
Correction: Without laws, I would be fine, but, your life would be chaos.
JeffR
[/quote]
Without laws you would be unemployed.
My life is chaos, anarchic if you will, most of the time. So is everybody elses . 90% of the time human interactions are not regulated by laws that are enforced with violence and yet we do fine.
So yay! to chaos.
Anyway,
“Free men have free tongues”
Sophocles.
[quote]orion wrote:
…
Are you comparing being drafted into military service with Nazi slave camps? A bit of a stretch, even for you.
No, because the underlying philosophical assumptions are the same.[/quote]
No they are not. Next I expect you to compare a parent rearing his child to the Nazi death camps.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
Are you comparing being drafted into military service with Nazi slave camps? A bit of a stretch, even for you.
No, because the underlying philosophical assumptions are the same.
No they are not. Next I expect you to compare a parent rearing his child to the Nazi death camps.
[/quote]
No, that would be likened to maximum security prison…rearing a child, indeed!