At this time, in this country, a woman has the right to decide, within a certain time frame, to end her pregnancy if she so chooses. Regardless of my feelings about the “humanness” of the fetus she is choosing to abort, regardless of how sad I might be at the thought that one more baby might not be born, I refuse to deny her this right.
Wait a second that sounds familiar…Hmm where have I heard something like this before?
Wait!
I know…That same bullshit was said about slaves. “I wouldn’t personally own a slave I think it’s wrong…But if someone else wants to it’s their right.”
Or words to that effect…don’t make me look it up right now I don’t feel like it. Anyway you get the idea…that’s just a cheap dodge.
But this is the Internet so you’re entitled to post crap like that.[/quote]
Emily you’re going to have to stop smoking whatever it is that you’re smoking. The bottom half of this is not my post. But…hey you were sort of paying attention…for a little while…at the start anyway.
Um, I know, Mick. I was quoting someone else. First, I said your post was silly. Then, I showed why.
After that I mocked you.
Nope…I’m not buying that. Why would you aske me this:
Are you meaning to make a joke, Mick? If so, good one! I laughed and laughed. If not, then, er…
Under several paragraphs that were written by another poster? Answer: You wouldn’t.
Hey Emily just admit you made a mistake and move on.
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I assumed you’d be able to follow the mockery. But I guess not. I’ve begun to feel like I’m engaging in cruelty.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey genius why don’t you comb through the hundred or so pages of all of the gay threads and take a better look. While you’re at it skim through the 08’ election threads since you’re so interested in my posts.
Rushing off to assist another liberal is fine. However, being wrong is not so fine. But you’re used to both so…[/quote]
Thank you for calling me genius. That boost will get me through today. :cheesy smile:
I don’t particularly want to read the shit that you write, having already read some of it in the Gay Marriage thread.
I remember quite well what you wrote in the Gay Marriage thread.
Standard Mick28 formula = Say what someone else has said + (miss key points + add derogatory comments) * 2
Don’t box me into your bullshit terms of liberal and conservative. I am neither, I prefer to think of myself as a person. I tend to try that whole “thinking” thing. I let issues swirl around before making an opinion.
I may not agree with a lot of people on this forum, but (like malonetd has already said), at least they can argue their point independently.
You asked for someone to try and explain the pro-life stance for you, and I was all ready to go through deprivation theory with you, then you go and make yet another nearly incoherent post.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Christine wrote:
pushharder wrote:
malonetd wrote:
…You stated this much better than I did when I said, “I just don’t care about abortion”…
Yessssss, let’s hold our heads high, hold hands and sing as we celebrate our Pridefest of Apathy. About murder.
It’ll be tough to take you two seriously when it comes to other matters of debate and we find out “you care” about the matter at hand then.
You’d have to convince me that it is murder first.
Like I said to Varq, it’s incumbent on you to convince me it’s not.
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Varq is much more eloquent than I.
However, I really don’t give a shit what you believe. I’m not attempting to change your mind on the matter. Bottom line is that the halting the progression of some cells from becoming a person is not equivalent to the murder of an actual human.
It is not the equivalent of any crime committed against an actual human.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
I’m not attempting to complicate, but to simplify for the benefit of everyone. In order for us to accept the syllogism “murder is wrong. Abortion is murder, therefore abortion is wrong,” you would have us accept your premise that murder is wrong.
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You’re jumping to conclusions, I never claimed abortion is murder. I simply claimed that murder is wrong and killing is prima facie wrong. So long as we agree on this, then we simply need to define why it is wrong.
Here is where I wanted to take the time to explain Marquis’ future like ours argument to blazindave. In a nutshell, it is claimed that death is undesirable because we are deprived of our future.
Killing causes death. Abortion deprives a fetus of a future similar to ours. If we can agree that killing is wrong because it deprives us of our future, then a logical conclusion is that abortion must also be wrong because it deprives a fetus of a future similar to ours.
As I said, irrelevant. I will not claim abortion is always wrong, or that killing is always wrong. However, killing is prima facie wrong because it deprives one of a future as a human. Abortion results in precisely the same outcome, so again, it must also be wrong.
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Convince me that abortion is unlawful, that it is unjustifiable, and that what is killed is without question a human being, and you will convince me that it is wrong.[/quote]
The law has nothing to do with this, we both know what it says, and the slavery example mentioned should make you think twice before taking this stance.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
A slave was not considered an actual human then either.
By the way, what is an actual human?[/quote]
Until we can figure out exactly where brain activity starts, I’d hazard a guess at anything with brain activity that can be supported outside of the womb. Not just “naturally”, I mean medically kept alive too.
You asked for someone to try and explain the pro-life stance for you, and I was all ready to go through deprivation theory with you, then you go and make yet another nearly incoherent post.[/quote]
Well i’m still waiting.
And i think my posts make sense.
If you don’t understand what i write, then you need to put on your reading glasses.
I’m no varq, but the words I put together in a coherent fashion. Not my fault there, bud. Reread it.