A Thread about Religion

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[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

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You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
People who I’ll point out for the sake of argument.

AngryChicken, who has recently scaled back to not even commenting on religion. I don’t know why, but it’s been a welcome change, in my opinion. He had very valid points and criticism, that were largely lost with his inability to keep his emotion out of it. Based on his description of his past, that inability is very understandable, but to an outside observer, it was hard to watch someone so intelligent and whom you respect go off like that and cross the line into bigot territory at times.

Bigflamer. He (I assume it was a he) doesn’t post much anymore. He was an exceptionally intelligent poster who’s posting style left a lot to be desired in terms of using ridicule and sarcasm to project his world view on the believers.

The latest iteration of our British friend who came into Doogie’s thread and shit all over it with his assumptions and bias. The fact you ignored the living shit out of this irritation isn’t going unnoticed, as it is a perfect example of the Atheism Issue.

You want to continue to pretend away the short comings and loud mouthyness of the non-believers fine, but don’t try and play off this “empirical” cherry picked “evidence” of who started a thread to do it. You’ve proven over and over you’re vastly more intelligent than that. [/quote]

I don’t even know who our British friend is. I don’t read every thread in it’s entirety. I only get to post and read when I’m off work like I have been lately. Some people have jobs that let them post all the time, but I frequently go through long periods of being away. I agree on AC and I’m not familar with Big Flamer. I will easily stand by more threads calling out non believers than believers. It’s not even really close since I have been here.

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Anyway… Back to my main point which was strawman-ed into “but the atheists didn’t start enough threads” non argument.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The Atheist has no rule book to live up to. It has no set code to violate. It can’t be held to the same standard it holds religious others. That makes criticism from an Atheist, about the imperfections and hypocritical actions of the religious, particularly the devout, rather moot and baseless.

If an electrician came and rewired your home, and then the next day the garbage man came in and went on and on about how the electrician violated this code, and that procedure would you have as much faith in his opinion as you would if a different electrician came in and made the same remarks as the garbage man?

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Yes there is hypocrisy within the religious community, and an awful lot of it. But again, my point was that the Atheist CAN’T be a hypocrite by these same standards, so their eternal toddler-esk whining about it falls on deaf ears. Mainly because why the Atheist is pointed out as a massive hypocrite for something, they have no consequence other than temporary embarrassment. The religious, due to their faith, have significant “explaining” to do, well and beyond the opinion of other humans.

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The last line in particular is being left as a wide open, slam dunk for the non-believers. Someone please take that bait, because the resultant conversation will be much more productive than this who started threads nonsense.

Magic, I know you see it, and SMH and Varq too.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

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You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof.

You saying well you non believers do it as well is something I have never said nor attempted to. All I said is you’re going to find more believer based stuff than non believer on this board before that.

You dismiss the evidence if you want, but don’t say I built a strawman and then build one yourself.

Bottom line: if militant theism is getting someone to think like a theist and militant atheism is getting somoen to not believe you will find far more examples of the former on this board in the last two years. Wouldn’t you agree? And FAR more threads about believer related events than none.

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Last time I’m addressing this nonsense.

[quote]H factor wrote:

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof.[/quote]

Who started a fuckign thread is irrelevant. What is relevant is WHAT IS SAID IN THE THREADS. Irrelevant the thread’s original topic, derail or starter. The only thing relevant here is who is saying what. NOT who started what.

I pointed out three people who did, some more recent than others, fall into the Vocal Militant Atheist crowd, who through ridicule, sarcasm and other belittling nature prove that community exists, which if you remember your contention it didn’t started this meander into stupidity that is “who started a thread”.

It doesn’t matter if more believers talk more here or not. That doesn’t prove there aren’t examples of Loud Atheists on this board, which you claimed you’ve never met, and I pointed out exist on this very forum.

Bottom line: Nothing you’ve said here is at all relevant to the original point. Yes, there are more believers here, more threads on religion, but non of that means examples of Militant Vocal Atheists don’t exist within these threads.

Jesus man.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

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You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof. [/quote]

I’d like to see this. I don’t really care either way, but I think you’re wrong.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

I’m not a vocal militant atheist and I don’t know nor care who is. I have never met one in my life. [/quote]

You haven’t paid much attention on this very forum then. [/quote]

Where are all the threads? I’m not gonna say none exist, but I have been around for a while and the vast vast majority of threads about religion aren’t started by non believers. We have very few threads that start with a non believer calling out the religous. Far fewer than threads started by believers and it isn’t even close. [/quote]

I don’t think you read this post at all or very closely and what it said beans. But whatever I’m over it as welll. You just agreed with me anyways.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

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You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof. [/quote]

I’d like to see this. I don’t really care either way, but I think you’re wrong. [/quote]

I’m not wrong. I’m no going to do it on my ipad, but I can later tonight.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Anyway… Back to my main point

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
The Atheist has no rule book to live up to. It has no set code to violate. It can’t be held to the same standard it holds religious others. That makes criticism from an Atheist, about the imperfections and hypocritical actions of the religious, particularly the devout, rather moot and baseless.

If an electrician came and rewired your home, and then the next day the garbage man came in and went on and on about how the electrician violated this code, and that procedure would you have as much faith in his opinion as you would if a different electrician came in and made the same remarks as the garbage man?

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Yes there is hypocrisy within the religious community, and an awful lot of it. But again, my point was that the Atheist CAN’T be a hypocrite by these same standards, so their eternal toddler-esk whining about it falls on deaf ears. Mainly because why the Atheist is pointed out as a massive hypocrite for something, they have no consequence other than temporary embarrassment. The religious, due to their faith, have significant “explaining” to do, well and beyond the opinion of other humans.

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The last line in particular is being left as a wide open, slam dunk for the non-believers. Someone please take that bait, because the resultant conversation will be much more productive than this who started threads nonsense.

Magic, I know you see it, and SMH and Varq too. [/quote]

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

[/quote]

You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof. [/quote]

I’d like to see this. I don’t really care either way, but I think you’re wrong. [/quote]

I’m not wrong. I’m no going to do it on my ipad, but I can later tonight.[/quote]

I’m looking forward to it.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

Instead of telling me how you think I would feel like Push does why not ask me? In the case of what you think I would feel about saying that about the Pope you are incorrect. I’ve said this many times but I didnt’t even know who you said it about until I went back. Retarded cripple sticks out regardless of who it was said about.

And I’m sorry if you feel like I follow you around I can assure you that is not the case. I do not even post on this board enough to follow anyone around. Definitely not the case. And I haven’t made up a name about you like some people who are obsessed with others choose to do. [/quote]

So, if I think Hawking is an asshole and think he’s short sighted and whack, why can’t I call him a mean name? What about calling him a retarded cripple is so bothersome? The points where I disagree with him are not about the area of his expertise, theoretical physics, but his use of it to expand in to areas where he is not an expert which is theology, religion and philosophy.
So if I feel he is deliberately misleading people, abusing his position to do so, and relying on his handicap to avoid criticism, or if I just really dislike him for any other reason, why can I not mock him?
I am taking the use of mocking right out of the new atheist play book. If they can use it, why cannot I use it as well?
If it’s ok to make fun of the cripples at Lourdes, call priests child molesters, etc. Why cannot I mock a prominent atheist who put himself out there, way out there?[/quote]

You can mock and call people any mean name you want. Go for it, I’m tired if discussing it. It bothers other people, but you’re really worked up about how unfair it is that anyone called you on it. Go for it.
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Okay, fair enough. I was just asking questions, I wasn’t trying to set you up for anything.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

[/quote]

You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof. [/quote]

I’d like to see this. I don’t really care either way, but I think you’re wrong. [/quote]

I’m not wrong. I’m no going to do it on my ipad, but I can later tonight.[/quote]

I’m looking forward to it. [/quote]

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
People who I’ll point out for the sake of argument.

AngryChicken, who has recently scaled back to not even commenting on religion. I don’t know why, but it’s been a welcome change, in my opinion. He had very valid points and criticism, that were largely lost with his inability to keep his emotion out of it. Based on his description of his past, that inability is very understandable, but to an outside observer, it was hard to watch someone so intelligent and whom you respect go off like that and cross the line into bigot territory at times.
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Guess he’s sick of the topic.

I have to give him a lot of credit. He used to be flat belligerent, but in the end he was down right reasonable and calm. He really turn a corner and I don’t know what prompted the change, but I remember both versions of him and I must compliment him on what turned out to be a reasonable demeanor and a genuine curiosity about things.

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The latest iteration of our British friend who came into Doogie’s thread and shit all over it with his assumptions and bias. The fact you ignored the living shit out of this irritation isn’t going unnoticed, as it is a perfect example of the Atheism Issue.

You want to continue to pretend away the short comings and loud mouthyness of the non-believers fine, but don’t try and play off this “empirical” cherry picked “evidence” of who started a thread to do it. You’ve proven over and over you’re vastly more intelligent than that. [/quote]

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.[/quote]

He definitely skewed the statistics. Excluding him, I would say the vast majority of religious thread were started by the anti-religious. Including him, I’d say it’s about 50-50 now.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.[/quote]

He definitely skewed the statistics. Excluding him, I would say the vast majority of religious thread were started by the anti-religious. Including him, I’d say it’s about 50-50 now.
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Not even close if we are talking about since I’ve been here on this forum. I don’t go to others. Lol at 50-50 with kneedragger. The amount of threads discussing something to do with religion vs. atheists discussing atheism is more like 90-10. Maybe even 95-5. Now it’s closer if we talk about calling one side out like below my man :slight_smile:

Hey here’s one calling out atheists you started!

https://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/the_new_atheist_mock_and_ridicule_believers_?id=5978832&pageNo=0

Just messing. Tough to quantify because we also have some on this forum who believe but don’t like organized religion. The name of the guy that used to post a lot about how he believed but didn’t like organized religion escapes me.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

You tend to find anything that doesn’t confirm you pathetic and then turn to personal attacks it seems beans, As for strawmen you just completely built one about what I’m saying. I won’t attack your intelligence though. Even though I don’t have a rule book to tell me not go.

[/quote]

You talk about the poster rather than comment just as often as anyone else, get off that high horse. And yes, I do tend to find pathetic bullshit pathetic, if pointing that out bothers you, sorry.

Your entire failure to provide “evidence” for your assertion in the starters of thread was a strawman from the get, me knocking it down for you should be no surprise.

I complimented your intelligence, twice now, by not accepting this lame bullshit as a valid argument. I expect better. [/quote]

You really didn’t knock anything down. I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof. [/quote]

I’d like to see this. I don’t really care either way, but I think you’re wrong. [/quote]

I’m not wrong. I’m no going to do it on my ipad, but I can later tonight.[/quote]

I’m looking forward to it. [/quote]

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.[/quote]

Agreed, but that isn’t what’s in contention.

“I said you will find far more threads where believers called out non believers in the last two years than the other way around. This is demonstrably true and I can do it later if you want the proof.”

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.[/quote]

He definitely skewed the statistics. Excluding him, I would say the vast majority of religious thread were started by the anti-religious. Including him, I’d say it’s about 50-50 now.
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Not even close if we are talking about since I’ve been here on this forum. I don’t go to others. Lol at 50-50 with kneedragger. The amount of threads discussing something to do with religion vs. atheists discussing atheism is more like 90-10. Maybe even 95-5. Now it’s closer if we talk about calling one side out like below my man :slight_smile:

Hey here’s one calling out atheists you started!

https://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/the_new_atheist_mock_and_ridicule_believers_?id=5978832&pageNo=0[/quote]

I never said I didn’t ever start one nor did I say that religious people haven’t started threads. Outside of kneedragger, most religious threads were started by atheists.

I just did a search with the key word ‘religion’:
https://www.T-Nation.com/searchResults.jsp?cx=016420786931182441572%3Akswwmllusns&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=religion&siteurl=tnation.T-Nation.com%2Ffree_online_forum%2Fworld_news_war%3FpageNo%3D1%26s%3DforumsNavTop&ref=&ss=3741j7207187j8

The majority of which were not started by believers. That does not mean ‘no believers’ it simply means anything for 51% and up.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

My money is on there having been more religious threads on PWI started by Kneedragger alone than anti-religious ones started by all of the atheists on T-Nation combined.[/quote]

He definitely skewed the statistics. Excluding him, I would say the vast majority of religious thread were started by the anti-religious. Including him, I’d say it’s about 50-50 now.
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Not even close if we are talking about since I’ve been here on this forum. I don’t go to others. Lol at 50-50 with kneedragger. The amount of threads discussing something to do with religion vs. atheists discussing atheism is more like 90-10. Maybe even 95-5. Now it’s closer if we talk about calling one side out like below my man :slight_smile:

Hey here’s one calling out atheists you started!

https://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/world_news_war/the_new_atheist_mock_and_ridicule_believers_?id=5978832&pageNo=0[/quote]

I never said I didn’t ever start one nor did I say that religious people haven’t started threads. Outside of kneedragger, most religious threads were started by atheists.

I just did a search with the key word ‘religion’:
https://www.T-Nation.com/searchResults.jsp?cx=016420786931182441572%3Akswwmllusns&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=UTF-8&q=religion&siteurl=tnation.T-Nation.com%2Ffree_online_forum%2Fworld_news_war%3FpageNo%3D1%26s%3DforumsNavTop&ref=&ss=3741j7207187j8

The majority of which were not started by believers. That does not mean ‘no believers’ it simply means anything for 51% and up.
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This is not a way to prove or disprove what I said my man. Your search goes through the site and not this forum specifically. Sorry if I was not more clear I don’t post outisde of here or read. I have a few training posts (maybe 10) but the rest are in here and I never go in get a life or other places where religion is discussed.

I have no idea if atheists hang out there or not. Plus i’m talking of when I have been active on here. Join date is different from when I started posting more often which was 2012 presidential elections.

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Sigh… WHo started what thread is completely irrelevant.

But now that’s what we’re talking about…