A Question - Atlantis?

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Nice, finally one of my threads was useful and taken seriously.

One of the things that really baffles me is the fact of their advanced technology, it must have been Aliens or some advanced civilization like your said HorseP. Which makes me wonder what happened to this advanced civilization, and there is also the fact of if the government did find something did they hide it. There are so many things unexplored that we don’t know about yet. Also, I find this interesting…http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/21/jesus-era-house-nazareth-israel/

If only we could find the instructions on how to make some of these things I wonder what we could branch off of it. You’d think with modern science we’d figure it out. There’s also the question of how many civilizations were lost due to water levels rising, and how many are underground like the house and court yard in Nazareth. I think it’ll be cool to see what we find in the next 5-10 years!

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:

[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:

[quote]horsepuss wrote:

The Myans and the Tiwanaku both have tales of a tall white man with a long white beard and elongated head coming to them and teaching them how to build these pyramids and various other things.They called him Quetzalcoatl[/quote]

What’s interesting about the elongated head part is the shape of the heads on Easter Island, as well as a couple ancient cultures using devices to lengthen their own skulls.

This could mean either they were transforming themselves into the image of their god, OR that they simply created their god in their version of perfection.

Also, not to bust your balls Horsepuss, but I’ve always learned about Quetzalcoatl as a giant with a headress, holding a snake. However, I can’t prove that’s any more correct than your version.[/quote]

yeah I know the pic you posted is the same one on wikipedia, All the experts who have been on history channel explain Quetzalcoatl the way I did.Who knows, When the fairly light skinned spanish arrived in south america and the Mayans saw them they thought it was Quetzalcoatls return.[/quote]

I can’t seem to find an article on it, but there was a theory mentioned that Cortes’ easy infiltration of the Aztec culture was due to an Aztec consort he had captured from one of the vassal states surrounding TenochtitlÃ???Ã??Ã?¡n. He used her to convince Moctezuma that he was the return of Quetzalcoatl.

Not sure how much merit that has, but it would make sense considering that even the extra superstitious Aztec wouldn’t just let a bunch of strange men waltz in and occupy their city.[/quote]

We discussed this in my Colonial Latin America class this past semester. While it is debated, it is generally accepted that there was some trickery on Cortez’s part regarding quetzalcoatl and prophecy. This did not guarantee him victory however, as he and his army was forced to flee the city, then return in force to conquer it.[/quote]

if i remember correctly, they were forced to flee because one of his lieutenants Alvarado was treating the Aztecs like slaves. Cortes wasn’t able to assuage them which caused his men to flee and return later after they conquered more of the surrounding natives.

and Horsepuss, i’m checking the link now, thanks.[/quote]

Cortez left one of his men in charge while went out. Part of his orders were to under no circumstances piss off the Aztec, nor allow anyone to kill. When Cortez returned there had been a number of Aztec Nobles killed under suspicious circumstances. The Aztec army and mob rose up and forced Cortez, his men, and natives loyal to the Spanish to flee. They returned however, and took the city by force through a good old fashioned knock down drag out fight.

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[quote]Nate112 wrote:
Nice, finally one of my threads was useful and taken seriously.

One of the things that really baffles me is the fact of their advanced technology, it must have been Aliens or some advanced civilization like your said HorseP. Which makes me wonder what happened to this advanced civilization, and there is also the fact of if the government did find something did they hide it. There are so many things unexplored that we don’t know about yet. Also, I find this interesting…http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2009/12/21/jesus-era-house-nazareth-israel/

If only we could find the instructions on how to make some of these things I wonder what we could branch off of it. You’d think with modern science we’d figure it out. There’s also the question of how many civilizations were lost due to water levels rising, and how many are underground like the house and court yard in Nazareth. I think it’ll be cool to see what we find in the next 5-10 years![/quote]

here is something I have believed for along time, The smarter someone or a civilization gets with technology the further they move away from basic skills. ie, people cant drive down the street anymore without there fucking GPS.When enginers look at how the pyramids were made they think of it in a modern way, using cranes and trucks and such.We dont understand how to build anything with just our hands because we havnt used our hands for over a century.

All ancient civs had was man power and primitive tools.Now this doesnt explain Puma punku’s lasor accurately cut stones that weighed over 100 tons and excavated 10-20 miles away.The first thing that comes to mind when trying to figure out how they moved them is that they rolled them over logs.NOPE, there is no record of a forest or trees near them.

So yes I believe aliens of some sort were involved also I believe intelligent humand have been on earth much longer than we think or know about.

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I have a feeling mankind has gone through a series of advances and regressions, where we build this catalog of more and more complex technology. Much like horsepuss said, people nowadays can’t even drive down the street without a GPS (me included).

We’ve become pretty advanced over the last three centuries, and we’ve done a lot more specialization. All this specialization leads to gaps in human skill sets. Yeah I can change a tire but I couldn’t run you through the warm-up protocol of a nuclear reactor. I’m sure there are plenty of physicists out there with the exact opposite problem.

The human mind only has so much capacity for learning tool use. That capacity should be growing…but it’s not. Not fast enough, at least. So evolution takes over, and causes us to retain only the skills necessary for our survival. In this case, these skills aren’t trapping, gathering food, or fashioning spears out of sticks. It’s subordination (manipulating the alpha through kindness to keep your job), driving, and trivia retention.

Anything that requires you to recall facts and events would be trivia retention. Think of how many times you do this a day. Hint: you’re doing it now.

The point of this rant is really this: I think we were fully capable of all this amazing ancient technology without extraterrestrial or divine intervention. We just uh…forgot how to do it all. Plus we have a different toolset than in the past, which makes the pyramids even harder to fathom.

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
I have a feeling mankind has gone through a series of advances and regressions, where we build this catalog of more and more complex technology. Much like horsepuss said, people nowadays can’t even drive down the street without a GPS (me included).

We’ve become pretty advanced over the last three centuries, and we’ve done a lot more specialization. All this specialization leads to gaps in human skill sets. Yeah I can change a tire but I couldn’t run you through the warm-up protocol of a nuclear reactor. I’m sure there are plenty of physicists out there with the exact opposite problem.

The human mind only has so much capacity for learning tool use. That capacity should be growing…but it’s not. Not fast enough, at least. So evolution takes over, and causes us to retain only the skills necessary for our survival. In this case, these skills aren’t trapping, gathering food, or fashioning spears out of sticks. It’s subordination (manipulating the alpha through kindness to keep your job), driving, and trivia retention.

Anything that requires you to recall facts and events would be trivia retention. Think of how many times you do this a day. Hint: you’re doing it now.

The point of this rant is really this: I think we were fully capable of all this amazing ancient technology without extraterrestrial or divine intervention. We just uh…forgot how to do it all. Plus we have a different toolset than in the past, which makes the pyramids even harder to fathom.[/quote]

great post

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
I have a feeling mankind has gone through a series of advances and regressions, where we build this catalog of more and more complex technology. Much like horsepuss said, people nowadays can’t even drive down the street without a GPS (me included).

We’ve become pretty advanced over the last three centuries, and we’ve done a lot more specialization. All this specialization leads to gaps in human skill sets. Yeah I can change a tire but I couldn’t run you through the warm-up protocol of a nuclear reactor. I’m sure there are plenty of physicists out there with the exact opposite problem.

The human mind only has so much capacity for learning tool use. That capacity should be growing…but it’s not. Not fast enough, at least. So evolution takes over, and causes us to retain only the skills necessary for our survival. In this case, these skills aren’t trapping, gathering food, or fashioning spears out of sticks. It’s subordination (manipulating the alpha through kindness to keep your job), driving, and trivia retention.

Anything that requires you to recall facts and events would be trivia retention. Think of how many times you do this a day. Hint: you’re doing it now.

The point of this rant is really this: I think we were fully capable of all this amazing ancient technology without extraterrestrial or divine intervention. We just uh…forgot how to do it all. Plus we have a different toolset than in the past, which makes the pyramids even harder to fathom.[/quote]

Very good way of looking at it.

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Sooo, anyone have any topics they want to discuss relating to this? Aliens…2012…anicent civilizations ( armies, leaders, cities, destruction, how they were built, myths, religions, or anything cool?) Really would be a shame to let it die.

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[quote]Ratchet wrote:
I am finding this pretty interesting… any of you guys have any good books you can recommend?[/quote]

Graham Hancock is probably the a renowned author on the subject. You can check out his website here:

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Does anyone have any more information/sources for this subject?

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In class this year we discussed the myth of Atlantis, and we argued that it had to do with the Egyptian trade with the island of Thera, and when one day they showed up to the island it was gone because of a massive volcanic eruption, and Plato argues that it was the mythical island of Atlantis.